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Reply #30 posted 06/19/09 5:18pm

ernestsewell

blueautumn said:

UTCM is only as disappointing as what you expect from it. Critics and most everyone else hated it cause it wasn't Purple Rain 2.



Bullshiz. People knew it wasn't going to be PR 2. Press releases and interviews alerted people to that, plus the black and white element. People didn't like it because it wasn't well done. Sure it's funny to us now, but back then, people all around were panning it. Yes, it was nice to see Prince on the big screen again, but when you have two straight guys walking around in satin jammies asking "Seriously, do you love me?.....then life is a parade, ya dig?", it's bad.

I think some of the scenes had the music was too loud to understand anything the actors were saying. Prince had a LOT of camera time, ad nauseum at times. The mother's character wasn't nearly as developed as it could have been. She could have been in the mix when Isaac was telling Mary she didn't know what she wants. She could have showed up at the club as well as Isaac to fetch Mary.

Sure, I love the movie actually. The first 60 minutes is pretty funny, and has some good moments. But when Mary runs away with Christopher to the gratto, makes out, leaves, they're in a bow talking about "define love", then the chase is on and he gets shot....bad stuff. Just not well done. The pacing is off, and could have been edited a bit quicker to build suspense.

Which do you think people hated more? The REAL Purple Rain 2, or UTCM? My vote is for the former.
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Reply #31 posted 06/19/09 5:52pm

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I forgot what I didn't like about that movie, but I love this picture
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Reply #32 posted 06/19/09 6:00pm

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I'm one of those people that Love "Grafitti Bridge," for the fact that it wasn't very expensive...the music was great...and I love movies that just entertain.

I love "Sgt.Pepper's," with The BeeGee's, Peter Frampton, Sandy Farina, George Burns, Paul Nicholas, Diane Steinberg, Donald Pleasance, Alice Cooper, EarthWind&Fire, Steve Martin, Aerosmith, and Billy Preston...too. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #33 posted 06/19/09 6:44pm

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i used to scare the shit out of people with the first 3 seconds of Love maschine on my getto blaster ...i would pause it get right up on a group of girls and let the pitbull sound out ...they all jumped 3 feet fowards....i could do this trick sometimes for a couple of hours in a day on different groups ....it always worked and they where always afraid...some even got mad but i just acted like i pushed a wrong button and i was tryin to turn it off
boogie Bounce party y'all nutty
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Reply #34 posted 06/19/09 7:42pm

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BITCH SLAP PRINCE!
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Reply #35 posted 06/19/09 8:14pm

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#1 It shouldn't have been done


#2 It should have been filmed live like Purple Rain not in a studio
It was supposed to be like Purple Rain pt 2 (Prince new some things were in trouble so he rain back to the thing that made him really big) Since he was able to get the Time to comeback and do the film he should have gotten the Revolution as well) it didn't make sense at all, Prince Jerome & Morris end PR on a positive note and they are back to fighting, Jill Jones finally kills Apollonia and her love is requited I didn't like the way she was presented in the film and Ingrid was just too space, a spectre of things to come in Prince's world
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Reply #36 posted 06/19/09 9:02pm

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My quick thoughts: This movie was a waste of the characters created in “Purple Rain”. A movie showing the perils of fame and fortune would have been more interesting.

The Kid is married to a Hollywood actress and spends more time on the Hollywood prowl than in the studio. After more than a few failed albums, production projects and movies, his record company is ready to move on to its newest pot of gold, which happens to be someone the Kid fired from his band (one of many).

The Time and Wendy & Lisa have formed a production company, Pandemonium Productions(think LaFace) and work with all of the who’s who in the record industry (I would use real musical acts). Billy’s bother (who managed the Kid after Billy died) has been stealing money and The Kid hits the skids. Tired of his self loathing and abusive behavior his Hollywood wife leaves him facing a future of living out his days as a has-been or fighting his way back to the top.

A “wake up” conversation with a coked out Jerome Benton opens the eyes of the Kid and he realizes how many folks he’s crapped on. His need for resolution leads him to Pandemonium Productions and a showdown battle with his younger rival.

Insert flames here --> razz


Well that blows GB out of the waters by a mile...did you come up with this off the top of your head?
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Reply #37 posted 06/19/09 9:40pm

Riverpoet31

It is useless.

Prince made the mistake to release a 'follow up' to Purple Rain, a forced idea itself allready.

Next to that:
- He can't direct movies
- He can't act either
- cardboard studio props and a foam bridge don't work in a movie that has to be taken seriously, especially when you seem to have the intention to say something 'important' on a spiritual level (whatever that might be....)
- A bunch of video-clips glued together by confused quasi-religious 'waffle' doesnt make an interesting movie.

Graffiti Bridge (the movie) is the result of some vain, misguided artist overplaying his hand in the most pathetic way. There is nothing to be bettered about the movie. He should have never get the opportunity to release it in the first place.
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Reply #38 posted 06/19/09 9:46pm

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I have to say that Prince is a decent enough actor. Is he Tom Hanks or Sir Lawrence Olivier? NO clearly not. But he can hold his own up against some of these B movie mofos any day of the week. A better script, better direction and casting people where they are strongest is key. I love JJ but her role was a complete waste. Ingrid can't act for nothing. I'm convinced she used cue cards. Love Robin but again her character was not needed. The other time members were more effective in PR than GB and in PR they had no lines. falloff
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Reply #39 posted 06/19/09 9:57pm

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I liked the cartoony cinematography!
I liked the cheap looking sets!

I lay all the blame on Prince and his direction, story script and his god awful acting.
Compared to Prince, Mavis, George Clinton and everyone else looked like seasoned Broadway stars!

I have only seen this movie once, and try as I might, I still can’t erase this traumatic experience from my life.

Under The Cherry Moon is Citizen Kane compared to this.

Pair this movie with the tacky album cover, "Tick Tick Bang" and "The Latest Fashion" and you have the equivalent of enhanced interrogation techniques.

I would rather suffer 1000 Nicholas Cage movies than this, Prince’s self inflicted rape, this self inflicted defamation of character.

This is the mentality, this is the cheesy standards that he brought forward from this day and all through the 90's

What would i change? I would have released a behind the scenes documentary of the making this film instead. I think that would have been far more interesting.
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Reply #40 posted 06/19/09 10:03pm

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violetblues said:

I liked the cartoony cinematography!
I liked the cheap looking sets!

I lay all the blame on Prince and his direction, story script and his god awful acting.
Compared to Prince, Rosie, George Clinton and everyone else looked like seasoned Broadway stars!

I have only seen this movie once, and try as I might, I still can’t erase this traumatic experience from my life.

Under The Cherry Moon is Citizen Kane compared to this.

Pair this movie with the tacky album cover, "Tick Tick Bang" and "The Latest Fashion" and you have the equivalent of enhanced interrogation techniques.

I would rather suffer 1000 Nicholas Cage movies than this, Prince’s self inflicted rape, this self inflicted defamation of character.

This is the mentality, this is the cheesy standards that he brought forward from this day and all through the 90's
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faint faint I need a new emoticon for this post LOL
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Reply #41 posted 06/19/09 10:15pm

NastradumasKid

1) Like everyone said, NO STUDIO!! no no no!

2) Letting Ingrid Chavez as the love interest. doh! Stop bad idea. Why? For one her acting wasn't good and two they should have continued Susan, I think that was her name, being the love interest and struggling to deal with Prince's emotional/mental state he was in. In other words, they should have developed Susan's character more instead of her getting fed up with Prince and leave him rolleyes because it's pretty much emphasizing that fact that her character was meaningless.

3) The plot.... falloff I'm seriously convinced that there was little to no plot at all and to this day, even after watching the movie twice and reading the plot online, I still don't get it. The problem is that Prince was trying too hard to make it something he himself envision but failed miserably because he didn't take the time to work and study with someone who has ACTUALLY directed a flim or even a scriptwriter in order to learn how to make a GOOD MOVIE. However, forget Prince as a director, get someone else with experience.

4) Dialogue.....worst than Purple Rain and Under the Cherry Moon put together..... falloff rolleyes NEXT

5) Another problem with this movie is that Prince was trying to put WAAAAYYYY too many Singers/Musicians..... rolleyes he was giving them their spotlight ever five seconds that half the time I didn't even have time to adjust to the transitions from plot to song. In the end, it was nothing more than a hot mess.
Giive the audience a break before you go out of no where with crap.

6) Another thing, for a movie that had too much going on, despite the battle between Prince and Morris, the music, the love interest, his psychological state when things were wrong, etc, it was yawn BOR-ING!!!

7) Lastly, Logic. I know that's saying lot considering Prince's state of mind and attitude has no true logic, but come on that's really no excuse. What I mean to say is that I don't know if I was either watching Purple Rain 2, or Inner-Conflict movie, or Romance, or Action , or hell a Musical. It's called confusion. Like I said before about adding too many things and having too much going on, you lose the audience's attention like that. At Least UTCM wasn't hard to understand falloff . This was the major problem with the movie the fact that it was confusing and doesn't elaborate enough of what's going on, it's just telling me Prince was like "Fuck this bitch, I'm gonna put a bunch of shit together and not bother to edit it (yeah the editing flaws are more obivous than the precessor) and call it Graffiti Bridge aka Purple Rain 2." err Again this movie never gave us,as the audience,a chance to understand what's going on and never gave us enough background on some of the character's to even feel some remorse for them (like Chavez's character's death, like a gave a damn rolleyes) lol

Yes, I know I said alot but that's how I feel what should have been done to this movie.
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Reply #42 posted 06/19/09 10:39pm

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Although I didn't like the set of the movie, an unrealistic set does not destroy a film. It can even add a unique visual effect to a movie, and at times, Graffiti Bridge is gorgeous like the stage set of SOTT, if a bit sterile.


What Graffiti Bridge needed , to me, was this:



1). If Prince is going to be the protagonist, the movie going audience (not just new power butt puppet fans) need a reason to care about him. In Pixar's "Finding Nemo", we care about Nemo because of the major loss at the beginning of the movie. Losing Nemo would make it all the more tragic, and added an emotional element to the story line. In Graffiti Bridge, even though the movie starts off with voice dialogue to his 'father', we're never given anymore real substance to that story line. Nor are does it give the character any true motivation. It's like a dead idea. Completely superfluous. The audience needs a reason to care.

2). If Aura is suppose to be his divine Muse, yet she's getting drunk with Morriss and his camp friends, then try to at least explain why she's so confusing. Plus, convey to us how they could possible develope an attraction towards each other cause the onscreen romance is almost as unbelievable as Micheal Jackson kissing Lisa Marie at the MTV Music Awards--the audience doesn't believe it. In Purple Rain, Appolonia's instant attraction to Prince could have been due to any number of motivations--love at first sight, Avarice, loneliness..anything.... and it played well into the bleak desperate quality of the movie. In Graffiti Bridge, you just get this really boring love interest that likes to read terrible poetry. By the time she dies, you almost wish they'd done it in slow motion, and I don't know about you guys--but I laugh my ass off at that scene.

3) If "Still Would Stand All Time" has enough power to turn the hearts of 'thugs' like giggle Morriss Day giggle, then at least show him as more than a one dimensional character preceding the final scene. Cause when they finally do their little 'hug', every non-Prince fan in the audience will be scratching their heads--and certainly all the straight ones brave enough to continue through the movie after the Tick Tick Bang performance will not buy the emotional conversion. You can't show one dimensional characters in a movie and at the last scene, reveal a softer side to them...it's too late at that point.

4) The battle of the bands : lawd. I mean, if Prince is trying to keep his club, we NEED to know why it is so important to him. What does he gain to lose? What are his options? I mean, it's just not believable. And in a movie like this, suspension of disbelief is required, but there's a point where it becomes silly.

5) The musical performances: Open the movie with something fierce. For fucks sake, Fiddler on the Roof opened with more 'umph'. If you're trying to recapture an audience (the American pop audience has an attention span of no more than 2 or 3 years), then 'wow' them. They're not going to be 'wow' by the plot--that's for sure. lol

6) It's too obvious in the scenes with Prince and Ingrid that he think's he's really cute. Whatever your opinions on his looks, when somebody is trying to act cute, it's not cute....it's annoying. His little pouty faces, etc. etc. simply weren't pullled off well. It was obvious he was playing it up for the camera, and when you can tell the actor is aware of the camera, it ruins the scene.

7) The movie felt like a hot ghetto mess version of Guys and Dolls but without Sinatra or Brando's stage presence. I'm not sure how he could have improved on it as I don't take issue with the set, but it didn't work with the type of movie he was making.

8) Add tension to the script. Give the audience a reason to care. Not just about the characters but the overall script.

9) During Purple Rain, Prince was 'cool'. Everybody loved him. He was everywhere. By the time Graffiti Bridge was released, Prince was no longer 'in'. Again, the movie could have given his career a bump if it had just been interesting.


Excellent post.

I would also add: eliminate the obvious and terribly executed comedy scenes. Nobody, but nobody found any of the forced comedy bits to be funny. The "hot pepper challenge" scene, Morris peeing on a tree after the explosion, the dueling banjos money countdown, and anything else which tried in vain to recapture the whimsy of PURPLE RAIN. Anytime a character attempted to do something comedic, it brought the movie to a dead halt and the audience just watched in embarassment over the contrived bits. It was just plain awful.
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Reply #43 posted 06/19/09 10:47pm

NastradumasKid

DieselsDen said:


Excellent post.

I would also add: eliminate the obvious and terribly executed comedy scenes. Nobody, but nobody found any of the forced comedy bits to be funny. The "hot pepper challenge" scene, Morris peeing on a tree after the explosion, the dueling banjos money countdown, and anything else which tried in vain to recapture the whimsy of PURPLE RAIN. Anytime a character attempted to do something comedic, it brought the movie to a dead halt and the audience just watched in embarassment over the contrived bits. It was just plain awful.



nod Although that kissing sing was lol
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Reply #44 posted 06/19/09 10:50pm

NastradumasKid

NastradumasKid said:

1) Like everyone said, NO STUDIO!! no no no!

2) Letting Ingrid Chavez as the love interest. doh! Stop bad idea. Why? For one her acting wasn't good and two they should have continued Susan, I think that was her name, being the love interest and struggling to deal with Prince's emotional/mental state he was in. In other words, they should have developed Susan's character more instead of her getting fed up with Prince and leave him rolleyes because it's pretty much emphasizing that fact that her character was meaningless.

3) The plot.... falloff I'm seriously convinced that there was little to no plot at all and to this day, even after watching the movie twice and reading the plot online, I still don't get it. The problem is that Prince was trying too hard to make it something he himself envision but failed miserably because he didn't take the time to work and study with someone who has ACTUALLY directed a flim or even a scriptwriter in order to learn how to make a GOOD MOVIE. However, forget Prince as a director, get someone else with experience.

4) Dialogue.....worst than Purple Rain and Under the Cherry Moon put together..... falloff rolleyes NEXT

5) Another problem with this movie is that Prince was trying to put WAAAAYYYY too many Singers/Musicians..... rolleyes he was giving them their spotlight ever five seconds that half the time I didn't even have time to adjust to the transitions from plot to song. In the end, it was nothing more than a hot mess.
Giive the audience a break before you go out of no where with crap.

6) Another thing, for a movie that had too much going on, despite the battle between Prince and Morris, the music, the love interest, his psychological state when things were wrong, etc, it was yawn BOR-ING!!!

7) Lastly, Logic. I know that's saying lot considering Prince's state of mind and attitude has no true logic, but come on that's really no excuse. What I mean to say is that I don't know if I was either watching Purple Rain 2, or Inner-Conflict movie, or Romance, or Action , or hell a Musical. It's called confusion. Like I said before about adding too many things and having too much going on, you lose the audience's attention like that. At Least UTCM wasn't hard to understand falloff . This was the major problem with the movie the fact that it was confusing and doesn't elaborate enough of what's going on, it's just telling me Prince was like "Fuck this bitch, I'm gonna put a bunch of shit together and not bother to edit it (yeah the editing flaws are more obivous than the precessor) and call it Graffiti Bridge aka Purple Rain 2." err Again this movie never gave us,as the audience,a chance to understand what's going on and never gave us enough background on some of the character's to even feel some remorse for them (like Chavez's character's death, like a gave a damn rolleyes) lol

Yes, I know I said alot but that's how I feel what should have been done to this movie.
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[Edited 6/19/09 22:26pm]



Another thing I would like to add is this, hire people who can actually act and the whole thing of how Prince was writing a letter to his dead father was strange and unrelated to the last time we see the father, and meaningless.
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Reply #45 posted 06/20/09 6:20am

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Prince still owes me fi' dollas for that mess. I was unemployed when I saw it - and spending that money meant I had to live on ramen noodles for several days (a quarter a package in those days). disbelief
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Reply #46 posted 06/20/09 10:55am

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ernestsewell said:

blueautumn said:

UTCM is only as disappointing as what you expect from it. Critics and most everyone else hated it cause it wasn't Purple Rain 2.



Bullshiz. People knew it wasn't going to be PR 2. but when you have two straight guys walking around in satin jammies asking "Seriously, do you love me?.....then life is a parade, ya dig?", it's bad.

Sure, I love the movie actually. The first 60 minutes is pretty funny, and has some good moments.

Which do you think people hated more? The REAL Purple Rain 2, or UTCM? My vote is for the former.


I'm sorry for the confusion, when I say people thought it was gonna be Purple Rain 2, I wasn't meaning literally. Just in the wake of Purple Rain, I feel people were thrown off by a more "story" movie by him as opposed to music movie like PR.

As far as the, "two straight guys walking around in satin jammies asking "Seriously, do you love me?.....then life is a parade, ya dig?" I see your point, but I didn't take it seriously. I laughed my ass off! It was funny, If being a pimp was to be a cartoon, this is what I'd expect, very funny because, fo' real? Who does that?!?

You say, "The REAL Purple Rain 2". To me, it never happened. But, if you are referring to Graffiti Bridge I would totally agree with you.
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Reply #47 posted 06/20/09 11:33am

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First of all, Kim Basinger back in and Ingrid out. Spiritual story out. Phony locations out. Make it a real sequel to Purple Rain with the Kid a big success, like Prince after Purple Rain and him dealing with whatever issues he'd have being on top, and falling again, --- and up again. Could've been a good sequel in there somewhere.
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Reply #48 posted 06/20/09 11:38am

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I always liked Ingrid , there were a few killer tracks on the soundtrack but it was inconsistant and The Time tracks were weak and irrelavant . The film should never have been made , the sets were a joke ... cardboard bridge anyone

I full fledged PR follow on would have been better but he wasnt in the same position or at the right time for another movie hit
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Reply #49 posted 06/20/09 11:38am

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blueautumn said:

First being a "Prince" album
1. "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got"
2. "New Power Generation"
3. "The Question of U"
5. "Elephants & Flowers"
6. "We Can Funk"
7. "Joy In Repetition"
8. "Tick, Tick, Bang"
9. "Thieves in the Temple"
10. "Still Would Stand All Time"
11. "New Power Generation part II"


yeah, that's a great album nod love2


or maybe THIS:


1. "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got"
2. "New Power Generation"
3. "The Question of U"
5. "Elephants & Flowers"
6. "Round & Round" (performed by Tevin Campbell)
7. "We Can Funk"
8. "Joy In Repetition"
9. "Jerk Out" (performed by The Time)
10."Tick, Tick, Bang"
11."Thieves in the Temple"
12."Melody Cool" (performed by Mavis Staples)
13."Still Would Stand All Time"
14."New Power Generation part II"



cool ---
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Reply #50 posted 06/20/09 12:42pm

ernestsewell

blueautumn said:

I'm sorry for the confusion, when I say people thought it was gonna be Purple Rain 2, I wasn't meaning literally. Just in the wake of Purple Rain, I feel people were thrown off by a more "story" movie by him as opposed to music movie like PR.

As far as the, "two straight guys walking around in satin jammies asking "Seriously, do you love me?.....then life is a parade, ya dig?" I see your point, but I didn't take it seriously. I laughed my ass off! It was funny, If being a pimp was to be a cartoon, this is what I'd expect, very funny because, fo' real? Who does that?!?

You say, "The REAL Purple Rain 2". To me, it never happened. But, if you are referring to Graffiti Bridge I would totally agree with you.


I got what you were saying, and I agree with people's expectations. That was present a year prior with ATWIAD as well.

And listen, I no more think Graffiti Bridge is a sequel to Purple Rain than SOTT is a sequel to Nightmare On Elm Street.
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Reply #51 posted 06/20/09 5:56pm

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1) A strong writing team. Graffiti Bridge has absolutely nothing to it. It's the cinematic equivalent of gossamer -- except even gossamer, if the light hits it the right way, can obscure and suggest depth. This film has nothing to obscure or present.

If it was going to be a follow-up to Purple Rain and suggest some sort of continuity, it should have been willing to refashion the Kid from the underdog of the original movie to someone a bit bitter, even villainous. Save him by destroying him as a character. The Kid's confusion was disarming in 1984. But this script left him with no sign of growth. He appeared stunted.

And, allow women to do more in this film than be muses. It took a lot to be even more chauvinistic than its prequel, but Graffiti Bridge succeeds. Allowing better female characters to play realer roles in this film would've done a lot to make the movie more palatable. But, again, that would've been dependent upon a totally different, far superior script.

2) A real set, shooting on location. Serious production. I'm sure Prince's continual war with Warner Bros. probably contributed to the lack of production money, but even The Blair Witch managed some on-location work... lol Prince should be ashamed of that bridge. I used to have a similar Styrofoam bridge when I was a kid -- except it was smaller. My battery-powered toy 4x4 trucks used to go over it.

3) Acting. I would have loved an indie approach to this movie, something with some real actors. This is the one movie of Prince's that lacked any non-musical actors in major roles. Clarence Williams III brought it in Purple Rain. So did Kristin Scott Thomas and Steven Berkoff kept UTCM all a-simmer with their performances. Have a movie where Prince is the strongest actor, and you're guaranteeing a turkey.

4) Lose Tevin. No, seriously. Lose him.
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Reply #52 posted 06/20/09 9:45pm

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ernestsewell said:


And listen, I no more think Graffiti Bridge is a sequel to Purple Rain than SOTT is a sequel to Nightmare On Elm Street.


LOL!!!!! That was good!
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Reply #53 posted 06/22/09 9:03am

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ernestsewell said:

Never released it.

Or let Magnoli write another one and direct it. Prince proved in 1986 that he couldn't direct. WHY oh WHY did they let him do it again???


yeahthat
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Reply #54 posted 06/22/09 9:14am

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1) A strong writing team. Graffiti Bridge has absolutely nothing to it. It's the cinematic equivalent of gossamer -- except even gossamer, if the light hits it the right way, can obscure and suggest depth. This film has nothing to obscure or present.

If it was going to be a follow-up to Purple Rain and suggest some sort of continuity, it should have been willing to refashion the Kid from the underdog of the original movie to someone a bit bitter, even villainous. Save him by destroying him as a character. The Kid's confusion was disarming in 1984. But this script left him with no sign of growth. He appeared stunted.

And, allow women to do more in this film than be muses. It took a lot to be even more chauvinistic than its prequel, but Graffiti Bridge succeeds. Allowing better female characters to play realer roles in this film would've done a lot to make the movie more palatable. But, again, that would've been dependent upon a totally different, far superior script.

2) A real set, shooting on location. Serious production. I'm sure Prince's continual war with Warner Bros. probably contributed to the lack of production money, but even The Blair Witch managed some on-location work... lol Prince should be ashamed of that bridge. I used to have a similar Styrofoam bridge when I was a kid -- except it was smaller. My battery-powered toy 4x4 trucks used to go over it.

3) Acting. I would have loved an indie approach to this movie, something with some real actors. This is the one movie of Prince's that lacked any non-musical actors in major roles. Clarence Williams III brought it in Purple Rain. So did Kristin Scott Thomas and Steven Berkoff kept UTCM all a-simmer with their performances. Have a movie where Prince is the strongest actor, and you're guaranteeing a turkey.

4) Lose Tevin. No, seriously. Lose him.

Terrific post.


#4 falloff I'm glad I wasn't the only thinking that.
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Reply #55 posted 06/22/09 10:01am

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DesireeNevermind said:

contrapposto said:

Let Crispin Glover direct it. drooling



Crispin Helion Glover is H.O.T!!!!


Anyway I think a documentary film on his making of Graffiti Bridge would have been interesting.


I would have hired Anna Sui for costume design. biggrin

Richard Donner, Terry Gilliam or Spike Lee for Director

I would have allowed major ad libbing.



u do know that spike did visit the set when they were shooting right?
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #56 posted 06/22/09 10:19am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

DesireeNevermind said:




Crispin Helion Glover is H.O.T!!!!


Anyway I think a documentary film on his making of Graffiti Bridge would have been interesting.


I would have hired Anna Sui for costume design. biggrin

Richard Donner, Terry Gilliam or Spike Lee for Director

I would have allowed major ad libbing.



u do know that spike did visit the set when they were shooting right?



omg Well then its official....Spike is the real reason GB sucked hairy ass!
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Reply #57 posted 06/22/09 10:27am

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DesireeNevermind said:

L4OATheOriginal said:




u do know that spike did visit the set when they were shooting right?



omg Well then its official....Spike is the real reason GB sucked hairy ass!



Spike Lee is an ass but whatever. Anyway, I just think a REAL director and BETTER STORYLINE would be the MAIN things that would make the movie better. Oh and getting rid of those dumbass jokes that Jerome and Morris made throughout the movie, falloff
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1) i understand he wanted 2 showcase what paisley park studios could do 4 as a soundstage etc. but in this movie it should have been just used 4 the musical numbers which should have all been done from the stage and not just anywhere. if it's going 2 b a musical, b a musical, it's going 2 b from the stage, let it all b from the stage

2) develop more of mavis's character, she runs a gospel club. well how more fitting could it have been 2 have the kid and melody cool do the song god is alive 2 fit the spirtual aspect the kid was trying 2 say.

3) do not have shake and tick tick bang represent the battle between the kid and morris cause unlike the kid, at least morris was present at the battle 2 c which show/song would b better. the song the latest fashion clearly stands as a battle piece and more effectively presents the tension between glam slam and pandemonium

4) SPEAKING OF WHICH ..alright who else scratched their heads wondering y levi and miko where out of breath from just running across the street 2 the back alley of glam slam when pandemonium club WAS JUST ACROSS THE FUCKING STREET? this leads in2 set design and location. the problem i always have with this film is that it's 2 claustrophobic. when the montage sequence shows outside scenes u wonder OH THERE IS THE SUN!!! so less having the sets look like the sun doesn't exist

5) scratch out tc ellis!!! or make him one of the gameboyz anything more than "yo kid i told u should have let me rap!" either make george clinton a part of the film or don't. tell robin power that this ain't south central LA it's minnepolis.

6) space...more dialogue between songs please

7) put back in can't stop this feeling i got,

8) theives in the temple..okay in the complex of the film, guess what? less is more..the whole following morris around in a car makes no sense!!! just leave the whole video shot as is would have been better

9) somebody teach these fools how 2 play hangman

10) and if aura dies and the ambulance comes..please make sure they stick around longer than 20 seconds. in fact y should people care about that aura got run over if she never truly interacted with the community at all? make ur audience/community in the film give a damn that she got runned over.
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #59 posted 06/22/09 11:26am

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L4OATheOriginal said:

1) i understand he wanted 2 showcase what paisley park studios could do 4 as a soundstage etc. but in this movie it should have been just used 4 the musical numbers which should have all been done from the stage and not just anywhere. if it's going 2 b a musical, b a musical, it's going 2 b from the stage, let it all b from the stage

2) develop more of mavis's character, she runs a gospel club. well how more fitting could it have been 2 have the kid and melody cool do the song god is alive 2 fit the spirtual aspect the kid was trying 2 say.

3) do not have shake and tick tick bang represent the battle between the kid and morris cause unlike the kid, at least morris was present at the battle 2 c which show/song would b better. the song the latest fashion clearly stands as a battle piece and more effectively presents the tension between glam slam and pandemonium

4) SPEAKING OF WHICH ..alright who else scratched their heads wondering y levi and miko where out of breath from just running across the street 2 the back alley of glam slam when pandemonium club WAS JUST ACROSS THE FUCKING STREET? this leads in2 set design and location. the problem i always have with this film is that it's 2 claustrophobic. when the montage sequence shows outside scenes u wonder OH THERE IS THE SUN!!! so less having the sets look like the sun doesn't exist

5) scratch out tc ellis!!! or make him one of the gameboyz anything more than "yo kid i told u should have let me rap!" either make george clinton a part of the film or don't. tell robin power that this ain't south central LA it's minnepolis.

6) space...more dialogue between songs please

7) put back in can't stop this feeling i got,

8) theives in the temple..okay in the complex of the film, guess what? less is more..the whole following morris around in a car makes no sense!!! just leave the whole video shot as is would have been better

9) somebody teach these fools how 2 play hangman
10) and if aura dies and the ambulance comes..please make sure they stick around longer than 20 seconds. in fact y should people care about that aura got run over if she never truly interacted with the community at all? make ur audience/community in the film give a damn that she got runned over.




falloff OMG I am rolling!!!

BREATH IN AN OUT "Your future wife"

JUST GO THRU THE WHOLE DANG ALPHABET WHILE PLAYING HANGMAN "A, B, C"

Shit I was waiting for Love Bizzarre to kick in after that. spit
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