independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Lotusflow3r & MPLSound have already dropped into the abyss, even here on a fan community site. Sign O the times?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 06/17/09 4:02pm

SquirrelMeat

avatar

Lotusflow3r & MPLSound have already dropped into the abyss, even here on a fan community site. Sign O the times?

Good or bad, I don't think a Prince album release has ever caused as little impact as the latest project.

Coupled with the fact that it was two full albums, and I would have expected a lot more buzz around here.

What happened?

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?

Is it poor material? A bored fan base? Modern throwaway culture?

Why do you think that the latest release has made such a small impact?
.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 06/17/09 4:22pm

jill4life

SquirrelMeat said:

Good or bad, I don't think a Prince album release has ever caused as little impact as the latest project.

Coupled with the fact that it was two full albums, and I would have expected a lot more buzz around here.

What happened?

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?

Is it poor material? A bored fan base? Modern throwaway culture?

Why do you think that the latest release has made such a small impact?




Just for context: I'm not one of those, I'm still listening to all three CDs.

I'm not sure everyone has taken the time to completely understand the song lyrics this time, they're subtle which requires a different type of ear.

Also, even though fan(m)s talk "its all about the music" they want to see him perform.

Believe me, as soon as another concert date is publicized this board is gonna go crazy.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 06/17/09 4:24pm

Se7en

avatar

A lot of it is modern throwaway culture, but that is accentuated by the artist's (seemingly) lack of interest in the project after the first month.

In this particular case, I think the fact that it didn't reach No. 1 is why Prince lost interest so quickly. The evidence of him losing interest in LotusFlow3r is obvious considering he performed a Planet Earth song on his 4th Leno night. We were very lucky to get him on Leno 3 nights in a row performing new songs.

The music itself is not poor material ... much better than Planet Earth (which only caused a stir because of its distribution model in the UK).

What is disappointing is that this is a strong set to promote and tour behind.

I am also one of those who listens to the 2 Prince discs (not Bria's - not my thing).
[Edited 6/17/09 16:25pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 06/17/09 4:26pm

NouveauDance

avatar

Prince's lost interest, so did everyone else.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 06/17/09 4:28pm

skywalker

avatar

There seems to be this idea that we at the org get hyped because of quality or art.

The fact is, the org gets most excited over media hype/publicity. When Prince is promoting stuff, on tour, on tv, about to release an album...the forums get busy and flooded. It's not a bad thing, just the way it is. Prince is on Leno? I am geeked out and want to talk to y'all. For now, we have said all we have to say about Lotusflow3r, because it is a quiet time. Let's not make that a judgment on the quality of the music, but on the hype/promotion of it.

Hell, even a paparazzi pic of his new do is enough to get these threads burnin' up. All I am saying is this: Let's not pin prince.org's "talk" to the actual quality of art. As a group, we are slaves to hype just like everyone else...even if we pretend we are not....

[Edited 6/17/09 16:30pm]
"New Power slide...."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 06/17/09 4:41pm

funkycat00

avatar

Out of the entire set. LOTUSFLOW3R I love the BEST! I think if he released this by it's self, and promoted it with singles, videos. He would of had a hit in his hands! MPLS was alright. Just too much filler. Bria's "Elixer" was only good for "Everytime". The rest was meh. neutral
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 06/17/09 4:58pm

Tame

avatar

I'm still listening to LotusFlower...And still listening to the other cd's. Sometimes we take a break from things and get back to them. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 06/17/09 6:48pm

amorbella

avatar

http://therelapse.com/#/?room=entrance

I'm feeling this...even though its creepy, it still has alot more than we got and its free. Im sure it will be updated on the regular.
Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize
u simply imagined this
So u lean over and give her a kiss
Here on earth, here on earth,
with u it's not so bad
Here on earth, here on earth
eye don't feel so sad
Stay right here
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 06/17/09 6:55pm

Dayclear

I'm still loving it. there have been a lot of complaints about the way it's been distributed in other places but I don't know or care about that.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 06/17/09 7:17pm

colorblu

Se7en said:

I think the fact that it didn't reach No. 1 is why Prince lost interest so quickly. The evidence of him losing interest in LotusFlow3r is obvious considering he performed a Planet Earth song on his 4th Leno night. We were very lucky to get him on Leno 3 nights in a row performing new songs.What is disappointing is that this is a strong set to promote and tour behind.


It seemed odd Prince would play a Planet Earth track on Leno but maybe it was a request from Leno or something Prince wanted to sing for someone, Somewhere Here On Earth. I don't think we can count out a tour yet flower
heart like jazz
[Edited 6/17/09 19:19pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 06/17/09 8:09pm

Wildboy

avatar

SquirrelMeat said:

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?


Hey, Living in America got some radio play lol
"Prince doesn't have verbal diarrhea, he has studio diarrhea...." Allen Leeds
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 06/17/09 9:16pm

Close2u

I played it so much that I had to give it a break, but the other day my girlfriends were over and My friend asked me to 'play that one song' and it was the song HERE that she wanted and she said the carnival song, 'Doesn't it sound like a carnival?' and I hadn't thought of that before but it totally does, anyway Since she asked me to play it 2days ago I now haven't stopped playing it,
it's playing right now cool
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 06/17/09 9:23pm

audience1

I love the album set.
Hell, I'm even surprised to say that Love Like Jazz is really starting to grow on me over the past week or so. Go figure... neutral
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 06/17/09 9:42pm

Close2u

Also I think the Prince Fan Community is still digesting his latest output,
but I know what you mean; there's so much awesomeness that it might take some more listening to soak it all up

In fact I just realized that Valentina is a grower~
I was not into it at first but now I do like it cool
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 06/17/09 10:26pm

Leo777

avatar

I think there is only one reason why this 3CD set has "dropped into the abyss" and that reason is...Prince. If he's not interested in promoting this set, why should the casual man on the street give a damn?

Prince seems to badmouth the record industry, radio, music TV, the current state of music, complains in his songs and interviews that there's no real music out there (about 80% true) and Prince doesn't want to pay radio and TV to play his stuff(like other musicians do), he regularly turns down invites to perform on music award shows, he turned down an offer from Guitar Hero (not enough cash). Anything that would give him mainstream exposure to the public he seems to run away from...then turns around and blames the system!

I love Prince's music and I respect him as a musician and I was always quick to summarize Prince's biography and musical achievements whenever somebody put him down...but I've since stopped doing that. It's not my job to promote Prince. Remember those emails from NPGMC to "Spread The Word". Why? Spread the word yourself, Prince. They're doing the same now on Lotusflow3r.com. "Tell your friends". No. It's up to you to tell the world you have a new album out. What about the world outside the U.S? The world outside the internet? How many people actually know Prince has a 3CD set out? Not many, I'd say.

(Sorry 'bout the rant, people.)
"If God one day struck me blind,
Ur beauty I'd still see"
- Adore
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 06/17/09 10:30pm

Close2u

I am waiting for the tour, it must be right around the corner, he's probably busy practicing, hold your purple hippie pantz up brothers and sisters it's comin~
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 06/17/09 10:47pm

MajesticOne89

avatar

I think the small impact has to do with just an overall lack of promotion and activity from Prince himself. With musicology you had the tour going on, with 3121 he was doing the vegas stint, and with planet earth he was in london. Lotusflower has gotten nothing but a few tv appearances, only one where he actually talked. Sure he had the 3 shows in L.A., but that was one day, not something over an extended period of time like the others.
chill..prince doesnt like men being front row, makes it hard to sing the ballads
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 06/18/09 12:06am

errant

avatar

Leo777 said:

I think there is only one reason why this 3CD set has "dropped into the abyss" and that reason is...Prince. If he's not interested in promoting this set, why should the casual man on the street give a damn?

Prince seems to badmouth the record industry, radio, music TV, the current state of music, complains in his songs and interviews that there's no real music out there (about 80% true) and Prince doesn't want to pay radio and TV to play his stuff(like other musicians do), he regularly turns down invites to perform on music award shows, he turned down an offer from Guitar Hero (not enough cash). Anything that would give him mainstream exposure to the public he seems to run away from...then turns around and blames the system!

I love Prince's music and I respect him as a musician and I was always quick to summarize Prince's biography and musical achievements whenever somebody put him down...but I've since stopped doing that. It's not my job to promote Prince. Remember those emails from NPGMC to "Spread The Word". Why? Spread the word yourself, Prince. They're doing the same now on Lotusflow3r.com. "Tell your friends". No. It's up to you to tell the world you have a new album out. What about the world outside the U.S? The world outside the internet? How many people actually know Prince has a 3CD set out? Not many, I'd say.

(Sorry 'bout the rant, people.)




well said
"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 06/18/09 4:42am

tricky99

avatar

Prince is old news. It has nothing to do with his "art". It has every thing to do with culture, age, and hype. If you have the music and enjoy the music that should be enough. We don't all have to hi-fiveing each other and turning cartwheels. And we shouldn't need to hear Prince's name on everybodies lips and see his face on our tv screens all the time.

To many of u seem to want prince to be validated by the culture at large all the time. If u need all the hype and extra to feel satisfied then it really is not about the music for u.

The albums came out, we listened, we discussed, we watched him perform them on tv. What else do u want? fireworks? Once the music is released it is with us and beyond us (and Prince) for all time. The road is long.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 06/18/09 5:22am

WetDream

avatar

skywalker said:

There seems to be this idea that we at the org get hyped because of quality or art.

The fact is, the org gets most excited over media hype/publicity. When Prince is promoting stuff, on tour, on tv, about to release an album...the forums get busy and flooded. It's not a bad thing, just the way it is. Prince is on Leno? I am geeked out and want to talk to y'all. For now, we have said all we have to say about Lotusflow3r, because it is a quiet time. Let's not make that a judgment on the quality of the music, but on the hype/promotion of it.

Hell, even a paparazzi pic of his new do is enough to get these threads burnin' up. All I am saying is this: Let's not pin prince.org's "talk" to the actual quality of art. As a group, we are slaves to hype just like everyone else...even if we pretend we are not....

[Edited 6/17/09 16:30pm]



Fantastic post.

As for the albums, im still playing all 3 and consider Lotus to be among his best work and Mpl to be his most up to date, bangin' album since forever.

I speak of them all the time, just not here because of the reasons stated in the quote and more.
This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 06/18/09 5:31am

MrMul

I'm still listening with much much pleasure to one the greatest albums he has ever released (Lotusflow3r) and one of the most fun and funky albums he has released in years (MPLSound)

I dont care about chart position, promotion, or media hype. This is an absolutely golden year for Prince.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 06/18/09 5:42am

laurarichardso
n

SquirrelMeat said:

Good or bad, I don't think a Prince album release has ever caused as little impact as the latest project.

Coupled with the fact that it was two full albums, and I would have expected a lot more buzz around here.

What happened?

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?

Is it poor material? A bored fan base? Modern throwaway culture?

Why do you think that the latest release has made such a small impact?

-----
Speak for your self. I am still listening to two of the disc and they recently moved back up the charts.

Two of the disc are some of the best stuff P has done in a long time but, he is 51 and young people are not going to be drawn to an artist his age. In addtion, CD sales are low for everyone and P has not exactly done a lot to promote the CD.

That being said there is nothing wrong with the actual music.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 06/18/09 5:43am

laurarichardso
n

tricky99 said:

Prince is old news. It has nothing to do with his "art". It has every thing to do with culture, age, and hype. If you have the music and enjoy the music that should be enough. We don't all have to hi-fiveing each other and turning cartwheels. And we shouldn't need to hear Prince's name on everybodies lips and see his face on our tv screens all the time.

To many of u seem to want prince to be validated by the culture at large all the time. If u need all the hype and extra to feel satisfied then it really is not about the music for u.

The albums came out, we listened, we discussed, we watched him perform them on tv. What else do u want? fireworks? Once the music is released it is with us and beyond us (and Prince) for all time. The road is long.

-----
Cosign some people on this board are much too concerned with keeping up with the jones.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 06/18/09 6:54am

Giovanni777

avatar

skywalker said:

There seems to be this idea that we at the org get hyped because of quality or art.

The fact is, the org gets most excited over media hype/publicity. When Prince is promoting stuff, on tour, on tv, about to release an album...the forums get busy and flooded. It's not a bad thing, just the way it is. Prince is on Leno? I am geeked out and want to talk to y'all. For now, we have said all we have to say about Lotusflow3r, because it is a quiet time. Let's not make that a judgment on the quality of the music, but on the hype/promotion of it.

Hell, even a paparazzi pic of his new do is enough to get these threads burnin' up. All I am saying is this: Let's not pin prince.org's "talk" to the actual quality of art. As a group, we are slaves to hype just like everyone else...even if we pretend we are not....

[Edited 6/17/09 16:30pm]


Great post. The evidence of this is in the amount of "why isn't Prince promoting this more?" posts. I really don't care about that, because him promoting it would only benefit himself... it doesn't affect me at all. The music is there 2 absorb, enjoy, groove 2.

Personally, the 'Lotusflow3r' and 'MPLsound' albums R still in high rotation, with me generally listening 2 'Lotusflow3r' at home, on a full blown stereo system on CD, and 'MPLsound' in the car, loud.


.
[Edited 6/18/09 8:55am]
"He's a musician's musician..."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 06/18/09 6:55am

Giovanni777

avatar

tricky99 said:

Prince is old news. It has nothing to do with his "art". It has every thing to do with culture, age, and hype. If you have the music and enjoy the music that should be enough. We don't all have to hi-fiveing each other and turning cartwheels. And we shouldn't need to hear Prince's name on everybodies lips and see his face on our tv screens all the time.

To many of u seem to want prince to be validated by the culture at large all the time. If u need all the hype and extra to feel satisfied then it really is not about the music for u.

The albums came out, we listened, we discussed, we watched him perform them on tv. What else do u want? fireworks? Once the music is released it is with us and beyond us (and Prince) for all time. The road is long.


NICE.
"He's a musician's musician..."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 06/18/09 6:56am

Graycap23

SquirrelMeat said:

Good or bad, I don't think a Prince album release has ever caused as little impact as the latest project.

Coupled with the fact that it was two full albums, and I would have expected a lot more buzz around here.

What happened?

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?

Is it poor material? A bored fan base? Modern throwaway culture?

Why do you think that the latest release has made such a small impact?

Has a Prince cd ever been ONLY sold in 1 retail outlet?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 06/18/09 8:32am

LondonStyle

avatar

jill4life said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Good or bad, I don't think a Prince album release has ever caused as little impact as the latest project.

Coupled with the fact that it was two full albums, and I would have expected a lot more buzz around here.

What happened?

Is Prince entering his "living in America" JB phase?

Is it poor material? A bored fan base? Modern throwaway culture?

Why do you think that the latest release has made such a small impact?




Just for context: I'm not one of those, I'm still listening to all three CDs.

I'm not sure everyone has taken the time to completely understand the song lyrics this time, they're subtle which requires a different type of ear.

Also, even though fan(m)s talk "its all about the music" they want to see him perform.

Believe me, as soon as another concert date is publicized this board is gonna go crazy.


Yep agreed...still playing this 3 x CD set .... buy the end of the year everyone will be talking about it again... summer is just kicking off ....Dance 4 Me will create an underground buzz for sure...

biggrin
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 06/18/09 8:44am

purplecam

avatar

I listened to MPLSound for the first time in a while the other day and I still loved it. I just wanted to listen to Dance 4 Me but before I knew it, I was listening to the whole thing again. Prince has only done part of his job. Yes the music is out there for us to enjoy and talk about when it's time to do so but part of the fun is seeing him out there promoting his work. I love Prince dearly but he sucks ass when it comes to promoting himself and he's doing the same stuff he keeps on doing again. rolleyes This is not 1987 where the music can do all of the talking for you, this is 2009 where people will think of you one minute and forget about you the next, if they didn't forget about you before that first minute ended. The internet has changed so many things about people and life itself, let alone how we listen to music and Prince still seems to use 20th Century tactics in a 21st Century world. Now I don't know what's in his head or what's going on with him for him to not promote his stuff at this moment. We just hit the halfway mark for 2009 so anything could change but I been in Purple World too long to not know how things tend to go. I hope that he is well but I hate seeing great music not being heard by the masses and I wish that Prince would do more for those that are the hardcore. Whatever, I'm glad we have the music but there should be more. Sorry for being long-winded but its just my opinion.

I also agree with Leo77's post too.
[Edited 6/19/09 9:23am]
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 06/18/09 8:57am

Giovanni777

avatar

LondonStyle said:

jill4life said:





Just for context: I'm not one of those, I'm still listening to all three CDs.

I'm not sure everyone has taken the time to completely understand the song lyrics this time, they're subtle which requires a different type of ear.

Also, even though fan(m)s talk "its all about the music" they want to see him perform.

Believe me, as soon as another concert date is publicized this board is gonna go crazy.


Yep agreed...still playing this 3 x CD set .... buy the end of the year everyone will be talking about it again... summer is just kicking off ....Dance 4 Me will create an underground buzz for sure...

biggrin


Yeah. I can never grow tired of "Dance 4 Me". That's the JAM.
"He's a musician's musician..."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 06/18/09 8:58am

purplecam

avatar

Giovanni777 said:

LondonStyle said:



Yep agreed...still playing this 3 x CD set .... buy the end of the year everyone will be talking about it again... summer is just kicking off ....Dance 4 Me will create an underground buzz for sure...

biggrin


Yeah. I can never grow tired of "Dance 4 Me". That's the JAM.

Yes it is. It shows that Prince hasn't lost it at all.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Lotusflow3r & MPLSound have already dropped into the abyss, even here on a fan community site. Sign O the times?