he let ice cube use "i wanna be your lover" for are we there yet

bu did not let keven smith use "most beautiful girl in the world"

he proably let ice cube use it because he directed the love sign video

I would think because as when he does his wash, he seperastes his whites from assorted and his dark from coloured.

pickle said:

very interesting

i wanna be your lover was a warners release, but TMBGITW was an independant release, so i presume warners released the movie so could get the rights to use the track, whereas kevin smith is more of an indie filmaker who has a deal with miramax, so had to ask permission for that song

Everybody's bias

He can do whatever the hell he wants with his work

Yes, sadly he has become very racial. Long ago, when I was a fan in the 80s, one of the coolest aspects of Prince was that the color of your skin wasn't important to him - it was your mindset. Prince fans back then didn't see color. He talked about it in his music.

Those days are long gone (along with the days of his making great music).

Around the time of ATWIAD, PARADE, and SOTT, Prince got more and more grief from segments of the black community that his music was no longer "black". This eventually got to him. He was broken down over time on this issue.

Very sad.

LinnLM1 said:

are you for real???? as i have stated elsewhere, Prince cannot possibly be "racist"--only those who control the lives and day to day function of a segment of the population--a la, the days of slavery--can be considered racist. he may be "prejudiced," and I say why wouldn't he be??? His mother was a native american, a segment of the population "controlled" by the white man. His father was an african-american, and he went through the same thing, only perhaps worse. p.s.: if i were racial, as you say Prince is, I wouldn't perform with white musicians (Tom Petty, Ron Wood, Wendy, Lisa), but he has and does.

Dumb idea.

Kevin Smith hasn't exactly had things to say about Prince that Prince would APPROVE of (given his controlling ways). THAT'S why. Prince's songs have been in plenty of movies by white guys. Gheezus people.

shh66 said:

Correction, his mother was African-American. His own sister has stated in her interviews that they were an African-American family living in Minneapolis. Most African-Americans in America including most blacks from within the Caribbean, have other ancestries running through their veins as I'm sure P's family does, but on a "general" basis, in America are mainly identified as Black Americans or African-Americans.
[Edited 5/25/09 9:22am]

shh66 said:

First up, we don't use the phrase 'the white man' anymore. If we have to talk about race we need to do it as straight up as we can, without loaded terms. That means no 'coloured', no 'negro' and none of this 'the white man' nonsense. The moment you use that phrase it's basically saying 'Let's not make any progress.'

Secondly, if racism is a question of making decisions about the character and worth of individuals according to their ancestry, which it is, you can be racist and any damn colour.

Prince, for example, doesn't like Jewish people these days (judging by The Rainbow Children) and that's... racist. I'm not sure he dislikes white people, but I've kind of given up on him as a force for positive change since he gave up on liberation and became a homophobic, über-Godbotherer.

pickle said:

So, you're saying that Prince is a racist? Please elaborate.

Splanknasty said:

First up, we don't use the phrase 'the white man' anymore. If we have to talk about race we need to do it as straight up as we can, without loaded terms. That means no 'coloured', no 'negro' and none of this 'the white man' nonsense. The moment you use that phrase it's basically saying 'Let's not make any progress.'

Secondly, if racism is a question of making decisions about the character and worth of individuals according to their ancestry, which it is, you can be racist and any damn colour.

Prince, for example, doesn't like Jewish people these days (judging by The Rainbow Children) and that's... racist. I'm not sure he dislikes white people, but I've kind of given up on him as a force for positive change since he gave up on liberation and became a homophobic, über-Godbotherer.[/quote]



Prince's attitude toward Jewish people is called PREJUDICE, not RACISM. Prejudice refers simply to the act of disliking a group of people, a type of food, etc, etc. Racism refers to something WAY more sinister....it refers to the acts plantation owners perpetrated on Black people....it refers to the acts adolph hitler perpetrated against jewish people. Prince does not have the power to perpetrate these kinds of horrible acts. And even if he DID have this kind of power, I don't think he WOULD. p.s.: you mention that Prince is homophobic, yet he has never written any songs that put down that segment of the population (like Eminem has done repeatedly). If Prince feels the same way about homosexuals that he does about Jewish people, don't you think he'd sing about it?????

2elijah said:

my bad

Prince didn't let a lot of rappers sample his music.I don't think that had anything to do with color or any bias against whatever.It had to do with how he wanted his work.That said I'm sure other movie producers have probably benn turned down as well. peace carmy.

shh66 said:

Yes, I've heard this said before. It's not true.

Racism is, by any definition, discriminating negatively about individuals based on their ancestry. Racism's what you say and think and do. It counts out a person's experiences and history and beliefs and skills.

I'm afraid you can be racist and any colour you please.

'Prejudice' is a Latin word, you know this right? It simply means 'Pre-judge'. It's just something that racist people do.

shh66 said:

No it doesn't. It means the woman who crosses the road when you walk towards her. It means the man who won't ask you directions. It means the judge who gives you six months and lets a white person off the same crime next week.
[Edited 5/25/09 11:28am]

dp
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LinnLM1 said:

For someone(linlm1) to come here and cry racism is LUDICRIS!! YOU should know better. "VERY SAD!"

I'm sure there are legal reasons why Prince did'nt Let whomever cover TMBGITW.

America (or Humans for that matter) sure havent come far enough it seems regarding rascism. Even more Sad.

Prince has always, even to this day made music for the masses. white and black & Puerto rican...EVERYBODY
From a quote on your post..(Prince got more and more grief from segments of the black community that his music was no longer "black") Now tell me, who's issue would that be if they felt that way? Certainly not Prince's. and certainly did not "Break him down as u say.


"Black men and White men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics
will be able 2 join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:
free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last!"


Here is the article on the story about the song was posted here on the ORG. about the court case.

In English - Court Rules Prince Plagiarized Italian Dance Tune

Old story ....but the last bit ? read it Universal? Princes new label ???

Court Rules Prince Plagiarized Italian Dance Tune
January 16th, 2009 8:30am EST


An appeals court in Italy has ruled pop superstar Prince stole his "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" hit from two European songwriters. Officials at the Court of Appeal in Rome have decided the 1994 hit borrowed heavily from Bruno Bergonzi and Michele Vicino's "Takin' Me to Paradise."

Under the ruling, Prince must stop distributing the song on Italian territory. He also faces having to pay the royalties he has so far accumulated to Bergonzi and Vicino and their publishers, but only if a final hearing confirms the Italian songwriting duo was plagiarized.

Bergonzi and Vicino's tune was a small European pop hit in 1983.

Bergonzi tells Billboard.com, "When we first heard Prince's song we immediately took action, but this case has been dragging on for 15 years and it isn't over yet, such is the slowness of the Italian legal system. We only decided to go public with our story now."

A court originally rejected the songwriters' claim in 2003.

For a sentence to become definitive in Italy, a "third degree" ruling is necessary.
[Edited 5/25/09 12:12pm]

Splanknasty said:

The following is taken directly from "The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition, 2002."

"Prejudice: a hostile OPINION about some person or CLASS of persons. Prejudice is socially learned and is usually grounded in misconception, misunderstanding, and inflexible generalizations. In particular, AFRICAN-AMERICANS have been victims of prejudice on a variety of social, economic, and political levels."

"Racism: The belief that some races are inherently SUPERIOR (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to DOMINATE them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white DOMINATION over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities."

Now, answer me this, whiz kid: did you happen to notice a difference in TONE, or are you too dim-witted?? My sister is a civil-rights attorney, so don't try messing with me. Yes, those who are racist are prejudiced, but those who are prejudiced may not be racist. It all comes down to the wielding of power.

one more comment: prejudice involves forming/holding an opinion about a portion of society....racism is what occurs when one ACTS on his/her prejudice.

pickle said:

I promise to seperate the whites from the black and the pinks from the blues and the yellow's from the purple'z K honey?

Tame said:

lol...don't 4get the colorsafe bleach...it tends to brighten things up a bit:)

shh66 said:[quote]

Splanknasty said:

Firstly, my friend, you don't speak to strangers like that just because they question your opinions on the meanings of words. You piss people off and make the world a bit shitter.

Secondly, I'm glad for your sister, but her expertise and experience aren't relevant. And it's unwise to pull that kind of thing with strangers because... well, look, just... don't.

Thirdly, you're wrong, and you should have read the definitions you just posted a little more closely.

"Prejudice: a hostile opinion about some person or class of persons. Prejudice is socially learned and is usually grounded in misconception, misunderstanding, and inflexible generalizations. In particular, African-Americans have been victims of prejudice on a variety of social, economic, and political levels."

In other words, prejudice is action. You can feel its effects. It's never simply an 'opinion' because it's inevitably acted upon. Unless you're going to argue that this 'opinion' didn't make 'victims' of black Americans on 'social, economic and political levels'. Because it did. Prejudice is something that racist people act on.

Speaking of racism, you quoted:

"Racism: The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society."

OK.

But you don't have to exert dominance over anyone to express your racism. All you have to do is cross the street, clutch your purse or take a different taxi. That takes away dignity, it makes people angry, and it's racism.

And the same's true if you have African ancestry, in just as many petty, infuriating and destructive ways.
[Edited 5/25/09 18:11pm]

pickle said:

anyone that does their own laundry correctly does that stay on topic

LinnLM1 said:

you're sad in your thinking. to me your off. what's worse is you continue to follow up on someone you believe is a racist. What does that make you?

Splanknasty said:[quote]

shh66 said:

I'm not your friend. You fail to see the difference in the two. if you are prejudiced, as my father was, you spend/waste your energy talking about how Black people (not what father referred to them as) and "foreignors" take opportunity out of the hands of white people. My father didn't, however, join the local branch of the KKK and burn crosses in the lawns of minorities. THAT'S the difference. And though what my father did caused me (AND my sister) to not talk to him for the rest of his life, I can take comfort in the fact that he DIDN'T act on his hatred. I repeat: Prince is not/can not be a racist. Now, I'm not the only one who feels this way. It seems as if YOU are in the minority. You say I didn't read the quotes I cited, but you basically said the same thing I did: that prejudice comes before racism, and that racism is the BILE that comes out of prejudice's belly. as far as my sister is concerned, I could care less what you believe, sweetheart. I could also care less if I piss you off--that is, unless you beat on women. Then I guess I'll shake in my boots.

I like Prince and I like Cube but I don't care for Kevin Smith and it ain't cuz he's white.

shh66 said:

Wait. You ignored virtually everything I wrote, dissed me, and then called me 'sweetheart.'

Is this where I'm supposed to get really angry that you've patronised me and call you something else and then we have a 'flame war'?

Tell you what, honeybunny. If you're not interested in actual debate, then don't participate in a debate. Start a fucking blog, m'kay?

nurseV said:

With whomever he wishes.

This is NOTHING to do with RACE and everything to do with who he likes and trusts personally.