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Why not have auditors check numbers at record plants? Of course that makes stuff more complex and we don't want to invest effort in accurate numbers... So yes: I am willing to believe Prince's statement, so that there is room for fraud in the soundscan setup. But also P should provide some numbers: what was pressed, what was sold, what was soundscanned? If WB doesn't know what was pressed their a fraud as well. Who audits WB? [Edited 4/25/09 8:00am] Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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The RIAA checks the units shipped against returns, and downloads. Prince's rant is without merit. | |
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Looks like he is not lying anymore in interviews.lol
But does he have to continue whining about how he is being ripped off? There are blues guys who didn't get paid one dime, how about helping them out instead P? "The internet is ripping me off." Can it, you have enough money. Notice how deeper his voice got. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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I think it takes a loyal, hardcore fan to view Prince's statements as anything but quite selfish... Is the expensive re-packaging of a cheesy photobook also an act of unselfishness, to help other people? Do you really think all other artists, including newcomers, are completely ignorant or unaware of how business is done? Is Prince that much wiser? And do we need Prince to "educate" on this matter? Bowie was screwed over by his manager in the 70s but he never spoke about that or let it stop his artistic growth. I do think it has been to Prince's detriment as an artist to be so public about his feuds with WB and the industry. I have a hard time w. artists who speak more about their business than their art. Without WB Prince would be nowhere near as popular as he is today, but he has never acknowledged that. All this whining makes me a whiner... | |
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Check and double check local listings. In some markets it will be shown Tuesday and Wednesday night (well early in the AM on Wednesday and Thursday). | |
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WellInever said: Check and double check local listings. In some markets it will be shown Tuesday and Wednesday night (well early in the AM on Wednesday and Thursday).
True. Tavis Smiley show comes on 12 midnight in NYC, so that will basically be Tuesday and Wednesday morning for us when the both shows air. But his shows the night/day before always re-airs the next day in the afternoon around 1pm on PBS. | |
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pernil said: I think it takes a loyal, hardcore fan to view Prince's statements as anything but quite selfish... Is the expensive re-packaging of a cheesy photobook also an act of unselfishness, to help other people? Do you really think all other artists, including newcomers, are completely ignorant or unaware of how business is done? Is Prince that much wiser?
True. P is talking in terms of the way the music industry was 25 years ago. As interesting as the P story is, I think he should just write a book and get all of this out of his system. Most young artists do not care about the way it was, they are looking to the future. Technology has changed and will continue to change at faster rate moving into the future. So the question is how do they survive/make money Now? Really I can not think of a better, badder, bigger promotion machine than WB records in the 80s. So many of the artists connected with them are legends today. How does one become a star and create a career in the music industry like Prince did without the machine? | |
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2freaky4church1 said: But does he have to continue whining about how he is being ripped off? There are blues guys who didn't get paid one dime, how about helping them out instead P?
This is very true. I can't imagine what the broke blues artists must think when they see P on Tavis complaining about his deal when they are sitting in some trailer park home somewhere. | |
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He looks like what he is, an experienced artist , he no need any more Forever in my life... | |
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realm said: 2freaky4church1 said: But does he have to continue whining about how he is being ripped off? There are blues guys who didn't get paid one dime, how about helping them out instead P?
This is very true. I can't imagine what the broke blues artists must think when they see P on Tavis complaining about his deal when they are sitting in some trailer park home somewhere. Most likely they're complaining about it too. I feel/believe P is educating the younger up and coming artist as well as established artist to have control of their masters. I at one time, was in a band/group and had my rights taken away from me as well. Should be a good show. Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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I guess you all like to work for free. "It's hard 4 me 2 say what's right when all I want to do is wrong..." | |
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realm said: pernil said: I think it takes a loyal, hardcore fan to view Prince's statements as anything but quite selfish... Is the expensive re-packaging of a cheesy photobook also an act of unselfishness, to help other people? Do you really think all other artists, including newcomers, are completely ignorant or unaware of how business is done? Is Prince that much wiser?
True. P is talking in terms of the way the music industry was 25 years ago. As interesting as the P story is, I think he should just write a book and get all of this out of his system. Most young artists do not care about the way it was, they are looking to the future. Technology has changed and will continue to change at faster rate moving into the future. So the question is how do they survive/make money Now? Really I can not think of a better, badder, bigger promotion machine than WB records in the 80s. So many of the artists connected with them are legends today. How does one become a star and create a career in the music industry like Prince did without the machine? I really disagree with this. It depends on what is important to the artist. i know a lot of musicians, young ones too and if you think they don't care about their rights over their creative work simply because of the technology out there you are dead wrong. in the end, they want to get paid for their work. yes the record labels may make that happen for you, but it comes with consequences and it's important to educate those out there on the advantages and disadvantages of dealing with a record label or not. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: But does he have to continue whining about how he is being ripped off? There are blues guys who didn't get paid one dime, how about helping them out instead P? P's not policing the industry, he's policing his own. He can't be expected to make sure everyone gets paid, just because he's talking about the holes in the industry in a public forum. To raise awareness, and to tackle every single case are quite different causes. I've said before that his information can be used as an education piece for new and up-n-coming artists to make sure they get theirs. Little Richard ain't got shit from his stuff way back. He's made his money doing movies, bit parts, and appearances since then. (Prince talked about this in "Dolphin".) Other people's contracts, or lack thereof, ain't Prince's responsibility. Remember when Prince reached out to Madonna about helping him with WB and getting his back catalog back in his name? Even Madonna, who probably holds come major clout in the WB world (at the time), said she wasn't the person he should talk to about it. | |
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P, Willy Wonka wants his jacket back. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Can't wait to see this! I'm hot and I don't care who knows it...I got a job to do.  |
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ernestsewell said: mitchturb said: Doesn't Tavis know the name of the song is "Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful" instead of "Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful"???
It's been printed both ways. But the song is titled Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful. The CD Sleeve artwork is misprinted, but for $12... ya ain't payin' for fancy proof-readin'. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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pernil said: I think it takes a loyal, hardcore fan to view Prince's statements as anything but quite selfish... Is the expensive re-packaging of a cheesy photobook also an act of unselfishness, to help other people? Do you really think all other artists, including newcomers, are completely ignorant or unaware of how business is done? Is Prince that much wiser? And do we need Prince to "educate" on this matter? Bowie was screwed over by his manager in the 70s but he never spoke about that or let it stop his artistic growth. I do think it has been to Prince's detriment as an artist to be so public about his feuds with WB and the industry. I have a hard time w. artists who speak more about their business than their art. Without WB Prince would be nowhere near as popular as he is today, but he has never acknowledged that. All this whining makes me a whiner...
he has publicly thanked mo ostin and larry warnoker 2 vital individuals that helped prince get signed 2 warner bros and supported him through his career man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Thanks so much for the post...truly I so love, respect and I am intrigued by him...he is so very articulate, intrespective and justso so Fine...gifted beyond the pack... he just got it like that. No body didn't say you can't be outstanding, gifted and look fab too  [Edited 4/25/09 15:48pm] Was it good 4 U?
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wonder505 said: it comes with consequences and it's important to educate those out there on the advantages and disadvantages of dealing with a record label or not.
They do? I ask what record label? In a few years they will all go BK from downloading. | |
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ludwig said: NuPwr319 said: Nah. . .I couldn't get past the whole, "sorry I don't mean to call you Prince" era.  That's how you sum up one of the greatest interviews Prince ever gave ? He was so loose and he revealed the whole story about being "Bad" planned as a duet with Michael Jackson and why it didn't happen, etc .... He was talking about MUSIC, not record contracts blablabla .... [Edited 4/24/09 20:35pm] That wasn't a "sum-up". . . | |
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pernil said: Without WB Prince would be nowhere near as popular as he is today, but he has never acknowledged that.
Not true, you' re making this up. I remember interviews where he did acknowledge warners impact on his career. |
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short clips. want to see the whole interview. but first impressions is he just trying to manipulate the press to his own ends as per usual. But hey it IS entertainment!
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NuPwr319 said: ludwig said: That's how you sum up one of the greatest interviews Prince ever gave ? He was so loose and he revealed the whole story about being "Bad" planned as a duet with Michael Jackson and why it didn't happen, etc .... He was talking about MUSIC, not record contracts blablabla .... [Edited 4/24/09 20:35pm] That wasn't a "sum-up". . . Yeah, it was pure ignorance. |
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Copycat said: Soundscan picks up bar codes scanned at cash registers and tracks digital downloads online too. I'd like to see him provide irrefutable evidence of thievery, which he never will.
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2elijah said: pernil said: Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.
I think the purpose of him mentioning that is to make other and newer artists aware of what they are getting into, before and when they sign on to record labels. Many artists are anxious to sign without knowing the "business" side of it, and what goes on behind closed doors on the sale of their music, that's why so many artists back in the 60s and 70s that are now "defunct", "got screwed" and many don't own their masters, and not receiving royalties as well. Even the recent and current artists. Prince already got paid, that's why he's able to live the lifestyle he has financially/economically. Nothing wrong with not being selfish, and sharing your knowledge and raising awareness about the "business" side of the music industry. But I think he is using that example, for other artists to "educate" themselves about the actual sales from the music sold, and make an effort to learn the business side of the music industry, and not be afraid to ask questions and keep abreast of what's going on, on the business side of the table, not just be concerned about the music/art side of it. Just my two cents. [Edited 4/25/09 8:09am] I agree with your two cents. I don't think that recovering "lost" money is the concern here. I believe that he is doing this to educate fellow artists and make sure they get paid fairly. | |
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I hope he speaks so sensibly for the whole interview and doesn't start getting all cryptic and cosmic like he has tendency to do. Thanks for sharing the info! | |
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Nice 2 c Prince being somewhat out the "sexy Princey" mode, not using his sexy image 2 hide the insecurities..níce 2 c some progress  | |
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this is not a real interview and you can tell everything was planned out
esp. when prince says "good question" as if he has no idea Tavis is gonna ask him about his childhood gimme a break | |
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japanrocks said: this is not a real interview and you can tell everything was planned out
esp. when prince says "good question" as if he has no idea Tavis is gonna ask him about his childhood gimme a break ya think? To Sir, with Love | |
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on Prince's tombstone, it will read "check its the coffin i payed 4, i probably got ripped off!" | |
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