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Reply #120 posted 04/24/09 11:24am

rbrpm

Look at that dresed nice and talkin nice, my man somebody record that interview please! lol
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Reply #121 posted 04/24/09 11:29am

rbrpm

Hey ya'll if any of you get 2 watch the interview please post what was said i'll b working dam but please post what was said especially if he speaks again about his childhood! cool
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Reply #122 posted 04/24/09 11:37am

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My TV guide says Mary Higgens Clark on monday, but no mention of Prince...
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Reply #123 posted 04/24/09 11:37am

ernestsewell

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The RIAA generally preforms sales audit functions for the music industry. In his mind I suppose they're deeply involved in the fleecing of artists too, especially him. Let me guess: all roads eventually lead back to Warner Bros, the bane of his existence, his former masters, the shadowy manipulators that still haunt him.


Well they're not going to lead back to Arista or A&M. His record label was WB for 20 years. That's more than half of Prince's history in professional music. Of course most roads will lead back and even start from there.
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Reply #124 posted 04/24/09 11:49am

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Cataclizm1 said:

My TV guide says Mary Higgens Clark on monday, but no mention of Prince...


It has been changed, check it here : http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/ --> Coming soon.
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Reply #125 posted 04/24/09 11:53am

Zannaloaf

Graycap23 said:

Copycat said:

Soundscan allegedly reports manipulated sales data in North America and similar overseas tracking systems do the same in a collective effort to steal money from artists? I thought sales and charts were inconsequential to him. If this is such a matter of great concern why can't he press CDs and release them exclusively through Lotusflow3r.com? confused

I think he trying to come up with creatvie excuses for insignificant sales.
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Exactly what do u think Prince's beef was with WB?


It was kinds hard to tell back in the 90s because he rarely actually ARTICULATED it. As fans- maybe we had more insight, public at large just thought he was nuts. Which was my point about wishing he had been more direct back then.
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Reply #126 posted 04/24/09 11:56am

Graycap23

Zannaloaf said:

Graycap23 said:


Exactly what do u think Prince's beef was with WB?


It was kinds hard to tell back in the 90s because he rarely actually ARTICULATED it. As fans- maybe we had more insight, public at large just thought he was nuts. Which was my point about wishing he had been more direct back then.

Why would anyone, let alone Prince be direct about something going on in their private business?
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Reply #127 posted 04/24/09 12:38pm

ernestsewell

Graycap23 said:


Exactly what do u think Prince's beef was with WB?


Prince stated that his upset with WB began in small ways, most noteably with the single "Let's Rock" (or was it "Let's Dance"?). It was a "dance" popular at the time, and he wanted to put the single out right away, possibly as a one-off single, but WB stopped him in his tracks. He told Oprah or someone that it wasn't the content of what he did (like saying FUCK, or talking about blowjobs), it was WHEN he could put it out. He was pretty much limited to one album a year, although in 1996, a lot of stuff got pushed out in rapid succession.

That, in general, became the issue with WB. It was shortly after that when he started putting together protege groups to put more music out. It wasn't JUST The Time, or JUST Vanity 6, it was group after group.

I can understand market over-saturation, but when you're as prolific as Prince was at the time, there has to be some sort of leeway for releasing more stuff. Your music is timely, funky, reflecting your mood at the time, or life in general, and you want the song to be a part of that section of culture and pop history.

I mean, who knows what we might have seen and experienced had the WB just let Prince put out whatever he wanted WHENEVER he wanted. What would our respective collections look like now?
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Reply #128 posted 04/24/09 12:45pm

Graycap23

ernestsewell said:

Graycap23 said:


Exactly what do u think Prince's beef was with WB?


Prince stated that his upset with WB began in small ways, most noteably with the single "Let's Rock" (or was it "Let's Dance"?). It was a "dance" popular at the time, and he wanted to put the single out right away, possibly as a one-off single, but WB stopped him in his tracks. He told Oprah or someone that it wasn't the content of what he did (like saying FUCK, or talking about blowjobs), it was WHEN he could put it out. He was pretty much limited to one album a year, although in 1996, a lot of stuff got pushed out in rapid succession.

That, in general, became the issue with WB. It was shortly after that when he started putting together protege groups to put more music out. It wasn't JUST The Time, or JUST Vanity 6, it was group after group.

I can understand market over-saturation, but when you're as prolific as Prince was at the time, there has to be some sort of leeway for releasing more stuff. Your music is timely, funky, reflecting your mood at the time, or life in general, and you want the song to be a part of that section of culture and pop history.

I mean, who knows what we might have seen and experienced had the WB just let Prince put out whatever he wanted WHENEVER he wanted. What would our respective collections look like now?

His real beef was when he found out what his true royalty rate was
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Reply #129 posted 04/24/09 12:49pm

ernestsewell

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His real beef was when he found out what his true royalty rate was


haha could be, at least earlier on. He renegotiated that contract a million times over I'm sure, and as time went on, he got more points on an album.
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Reply #130 posted 04/24/09 1:00pm

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LondonStylesaid:

Very good idea....did you see the show he did on John Lennons jukebox....great TV


The South Bank Show is just one of those programmes that, no matter what the subject, I find interesting. I like Melvyn Bragg's interviewing style/technique - sometimes just letting the subject take control (Ken Russell springs to mind). The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that it could be great.
Is there anybody else who has slightly mysterious bruises?
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Reply #131 posted 04/24/09 1:10pm

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purplecam said:

psychodelicide said:



cool What a great birthday gift! biggrin

That's a great way to celebrate a birthday!


nod Definitely!
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #132 posted 04/24/09 1:26pm

PaisleyRose

This is great! I'll be watching. I really agree with the encouragement thing, that can do wonders for a persons belief in themselves.
PaisleyRose was here rose
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Reply #133 posted 04/24/09 3:57pm

Dolphinking23

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xlr8r said:



They dont have the flash and pomp that his many past intrerviews have. But I agree, the Tavis ones ARE better because he (seems) completely real with Tavis, rather than being on 'showtime' with the other interviews full of showtime bs.

Witness? Yes !


YEA!! exactly...I feel like Tavis went to him and said "look Bro, I been a fan of yours for real for years and I KNOW you have seen my show and so you already know that i have not time for the 'histrionics' or any bull--it! keep it real wit me and ofcourse i will keep it real wit u.... lol
[Edited 4/23/09 19:57pm]
[Edited 4/23/09 20:20pm]


and he grabbed Prince by his scrawny little neck when he told him that too! LOLOL
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Reply #134 posted 04/24/09 6:23pm

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ludwig said:

Kim69 said:

I have to say.....out of ALL the interviews he has EVER given in his entire 30 year career the ONLY ones that wuz good was with Tavis Smiley...even the one with Oprah SUUUUCKED!!

CAN I GET A WITNESS!!!!!


No, not at all. The best interview ever was the one with Chris Rock. Chris Rock asked so many good questions and Prince didn't gave cryptic answers as usual. And the best thing was that he didn't behave so etxremely shy. On those snippets with Tavis Smiley he's so shy again, almost stuttering at times. When he sat down with Chris Rock he was COOL.


Nah. . .I couldn't get past the whole, "sorry I don't mean to call you Prince" era. rolleyes
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Reply #135 posted 04/24/09 7:20pm

nosajd

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Prince should take his own advise & "Let it go"
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Reply #136 posted 04/24/09 7:31pm

runningbear

Just saw the add for Prince on Tavis, something about shocking Prince Health Confession, never caught it all, something about smoking?
merf
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Reply #137 posted 04/24/09 8:32pm

ludwig

NuPwr319 said:

ludwig said:



No, not at all. The best interview ever was the one with Chris Rock. Chris Rock asked so many good questions and Prince didn't gave cryptic answers as usual. And the best thing was that he didn't behave so etxremely shy. On those snippets with Tavis Smiley he's so shy again, almost stuttering at times. When he sat down with Chris Rock he was COOL.


Nah. . .I couldn't get past the whole, "sorry I don't mean to call you Prince" era. rolleyes


That's how you sum up one of the greatest interviews Prince ever gave ? He was so loose and he revealed the whole story about being "Bad" planned as a duet with Michael Jackson and why it didn't happen, etc .... He was talking about MUSIC, not record contracts blablabla ....
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Reply #138 posted 04/24/09 10:12pm

mitchturb

Doesn't Tavis know the name of the song is "Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful" instead of "Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful"???
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Reply #139 posted 04/24/09 10:24pm

ernestsewell

mitchturb said:

Doesn't Tavis know the name of the song is "Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful" instead of "Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful"???


It's been printed both ways.
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Reply #140 posted 04/24/09 11:45pm

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Kim69 said:

xlr8r said:



They dont have the flash and pomp that his many past intrerviews have. But I agree, the Tavis ones ARE better because he (seems) completely real with Tavis, rather than being on 'showtime' with the other interviews full of showtime bs.

Witness? Yes !


YEA!! exactly...I feel like Tavis went to him and said "look Bro, I been a fan of yours for real for years and I KNOW you have seen my show and so you already know that i have not time for the 'histrionics' or any bull--it! keep it real wit me and ofcourse i will keep it real wit u.... lol
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[Edited 4/23/09 20:20pm]



spit she said histrionic, gazoo did you see that?
[Edited 4/24/09 23:52pm]
To Sir, with Love
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Reply #141 posted 04/25/09 3:54am

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typical Prince, always complaining he's being ripped off and not making enough $$$$$
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Reply #142 posted 04/25/09 5:42am

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tafnap said:

typical Prince, always complaining he's being ripped off and not making enough $$$$$


at the same time i'm sitting here still trying to figure out what the
"exclusive first week content that may never be available again" was,
that was supposed to be on the lotusflower website.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #143 posted 04/25/09 5:55am

TyphoonTip

IstenSzek said:

tafnap said:

typical Prince, always complaining he's being ripped off and not making enough $$$$$


at the same time i'm sitting here still trying to figure out what the
"exclusive first week content that may never be available again" was,
that was supposed to be on the lotusflower website.

Not happy with your Tshirt? lol
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Reply #144 posted 04/25/09 6:09am

pernil

Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.
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Reply #145 posted 04/25/09 6:14am

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pernil said:

Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.


Yeah, I pretty much love his music & despise his personality & his actions. It sucks that he can be such a douche bag.
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Reply #146 posted 04/25/09 6:41am

TyphoonTip

pernil said:

Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.


Agree whole-heartedly with that part. nod
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Reply #147 posted 04/25/09 7:10am

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pernil said:

Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.

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thats basically what i said and i got dogs abuse for it....i dont think that prince was always so money orientated....he could easily have released purple rain 2 but he didnt....he deserves credit for that but i dont understand him now...i sometimes think he really has a split personality....why moan about money when he doesnt release his new album outside america where most of his fanbase is ???... confused
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Reply #148 posted 04/25/09 7:15am

2elijah

pernil said:

Sad to see Prince on the TV show complaining about not being paid properly or being ripped-off by Soundscan or whatever. How can he still moan about this? It reeks of bitterness. He is in good health, has many friends, is wealthier than most people will ever be - and still not content?! I'm afraid it says too much about Prince as a person; someone who is more obsessed with money and wealth than we would like to admit, seeing him as this deep, serious artist who is a supremely gifted musician with something important to say. It really turned me off and sort of confirmed my worst fears that Prince is narrow-minded and kind of shallow and materialistic, despite all the spiritual talk. It's as if Prince has nothing to say anymore. Most artists have been ripped off in many ways; N.B. Prince is hardly unique. But others go on with their art and develop and mature as artists and human beings. Has Prince really done that? Hmmm... I guess I was more disappointed than I care to admit. He'll still be an enormously gifted musician, but talk about unfulfilled potential.



I think the purpose of him mentioning that is to make other and newer artists aware of what they are getting into, before and when they sign on to record labels. Many artists are anxious to sign without knowing the "business" side of it, and what goes on behind closed doors on the sale of their music, that's why so many artists back in the 60s and 70s that are now "defunct", "got screwed" and many don't own their masters, and not receiving royalties as well. Even the recent and current artists. Prince already got paid, that's why he's able to live the lifestyle he has financially/economically. Nothing wrong with not being selfish, and sharing your knowledge and raising awareness about the "business" side of the music industry.

But I think he is using that example, for other artists to "educate" themselves about the actual sales from the music sold, and make an effort to learn the business side of the music industry, and not be afraid to ask questions and keep abreast of what's going on, on the business side of the table, not just be concerned about the music/art side of it. Just my two cents.
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Reply #149 posted 04/25/09 7:52am

Copycat

Soundscan picks up bar codes scanned at cash registers and tracks digital downloads online too. I'd like to see him provide irrefutable evidence of thievery, which he never will. wink
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