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Printablelspear76 said: larksanders said: Now I will admit that Planet Earth is one of my LEAST favorite album by P, but I see a lot of hate here for Future Baby Mama which just boogles me. That song (along with SHOE) saves the album from being completely awful. I'm listening to this song now and those bells are just killer, the linn drum, that bridge. I'm sorry, I just can't see how people don't like this song. I hope you're not going off the title.....
No way man. The song is good until about half way thru, until Prince extends the song with a lame speaking part... it falls prey to the "random words" syndrome, when Prince runs out of ideas for a song so he just talks over it for a good 2 minutes. "Future Baby Mama" turned a nice little rock record into some kind of lame r&b experiment. The second half of the album is a complete bomb. his talking voice sounds sexy tho...lol Love God. Love Music. Love Life. | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Alexandernvrmind said: I think the lyrics are quite thoughtful. Anyone thats married gets those lyrics. "Gotta bend in the wind but break... to keep yo man" As an intelligent, independent woman, I find the lyrics quite offensive. I have written several times about why I feel this way, so I'll just cut & paste: DevotedPuppy has said numerous times: Personally I find the term "baby mama" fairly degrading & disrespectful to woman in that:
2. Being a "baby mama" implies that there is no intent from the male to get married or even necessarily support the woman or child (which leads me back to #1). This point could also be discussed in relation to the larger problem (especially within the African-American community where this term is often used), of men having babies with several different women (or several babies with one woman) and not supporting them--whether that be financial, emotional, taking care of the kids, etc. The women are simply the "baby mama," nothing more. (This could also lead into a discussion of why/if women feel the need for an 'emotional' attachment more than men but that's an entirely different forum.) 3. I think it's a little like when he had Tony M. rapping all over D&P: instead of creating his own catch phrase (which we all know he is capable of), he is borrowing from the mainstream vernacular and it just sounds desperate. 4. Finally, I'm disappointed that Prince resorted to using a term with these connotations--even if he's trying to spin it that the women in the song aren't even good enough to be his baby mama. (Being someone's "baby mama" really isn't something I'd want to aspire to--see points #1 & 2.) What happened to: Hooker, bitch and ho, I don't think so I only knew one and never told her though I thought about it many times (Diss me?) .... A woman every day should be thanked Not disrespected, not raped or spanked? 5. Post script: Even though this isn't directly about the term "baby mama" I also dislike the part of the chorus that talks about bending instead of breaking to keep a man. You cannot "keep" (possess) a person, they have free will; and while I know it's meant to imply that bending actually takes more strength I feel it insinuates that "future baby mamas" might want to compromise (e.g. "bend") their values to get/keep a man in the hopes of being his baby mama. (See again points #1 & 2.) I'm sure I'll get told that I'm reading waaayyy too much into it, over-analyzing, etc. but those are the reasons (as a woman, a feminist, and a Prince fan) why I think it's an awful phrase. (Disclaimer, I'm also trained as an art historian so I automatically like to look for hidden meanings in everything, even if it seems innocuous on the surface. Occupational hazard. yes I do think you are reading way too much into it The term Baby Mama does not necesarily imply they are not married although I understand your point. Also given where Prince is now its pretty safe to assume hes talking about a woman he is in love with and wants to marry if hes not married to her already. I'm just puzzeled how you can get a negative vibe out of that song. I think that your take on what a Baby Mama is is more a relection on you as opposed to Prince using the term. Refering to someone as a Baby Mama is not comparable to calling someone a beeotch, hooker or ho. Your comparison of them is absurd and insulting. You dislike the chourus when he says you gotta bend in the wind but don't break? My lord have you ever been in a relationship let alone married? You have to bend... when there are storms in ur relationships... he is singing about a woman who will be there through thick of thin and will not run off as soon as things get tough. Thats the kind of woman he has found! Your free will comments are... I'm sorry nuts. You have completely missed the boat on what this song is about And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things ==> http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html [Edited 3/5/09 10:32am] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: DevotedPuppy said: yes I do think you are reading way too much into it The term Baby Mama does not necesarily imply they are not married although I understand your point. Also given where Prince is now its pretty safe to assume hes talking about a woman he is in love with and wants to marry if hes not married to her already. I'm just puzzeled how you can get a negative vibe out of that song. I think that your take on what a Baby Mama is is more a relection on you as opposed to Prince using the term. Refering to someone as a Baby Mama is not comparable to calling someone a beeotch, hooker or ho. Your comparison of them is absurd and insulting. You dislike the chourus when he says you gotta bend in the wind but don't break? My lord have you ever been in a relationship let alone married? You have to bend... when there are storms in ur relationships... he is singing about a woman who will be there through thick of thin and will not run off as soon as things get tough. Thats the kind of woman he has found! Your free will comments are... I'm sorry nuts. You have completely missed the boat on what this song is about And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things ==> http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html [Edited 3/5/09 10:32am] Firstly, I find your insinuation that my interpretation is solely a reflection of my personal relationships (and insinuated "hang ups") not only unnecessary, but patronizing and categorically false. My personal experiences are irrelevant to my reading/interpretation of the lyrics; and as such I analyzed Prince's appropriation of the term "future baby mama" based on its commonly accepted use and definition in American English vernacular. (See urbandictionary.com for examples.) Secondly, I believe you misunderstood point number four. I was using the line from Days of Wild as an example of Prince speaking out against using derogatory words with which to refer to women. In my professional (n.b. not personal) opinion, this is a shift from the past. Specifically, Billy Jack Bitch is the only officially released song I can think of off the top of my head where he seemingly condones referring to a female as a bitch. I'm presuming you're a male, so I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully empathsize with the sexual objectification women are subjected to on nearly a daily basis (whether in their personal lives or from American society/media); so your dismissiveness of an alternative point of view is not entirely surprising (unfortunately). In conclusion, by stating that "And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things" you imply that there is only one correct interpretation of the lyrics -- yours. Surely you can see the fallacy of this? Unless you spoke with Prince personally regarding his exact meaning of the lyrics for Future Baby Mama (which I'm going to guess is not the case), then my interpretation is just as valid as yours, regardless of whether you believe it or not. I could just as easily infer things about your personal relationships based on your response to mine, but I'll refrain and give you the benefit of the doubt.  | |
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Wow man o man. I love this song. I think it is a very sweet and personal song. If you listen to it like it is meant to be heard. Prince is talking about his "one" who of course he would be married to. I think if you listen to it from that point of view , it is like the song Let's have a baby. He is letting us (the listeners) in on what I take is a private conversation between him and his lady (to be) about his desire to have kids with his girl but he is letting her know in order to be that girl (which he thinks she is) she has to be flexible and not take everything so personal (like some on here). I find nothing wrong with this song what so ever. And if you like it or not when you have a child with a man (could be your hubby or not) you are a baby mama.  giggles I love the thought of that so sweet. I think Prince gave the term Baby Mama a sweet curve.Proverbs 23:9 | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Sdldawn said: calm down... I will never, ever take some song entitled "future baby mama" seriously. I don't give a fuck if shakespear wrote the lyrics.. it's a cop out, carrot on the stick cliche phrase that I never thought prince would stoop to. [Edited 3/4/09 20:17pm] you calm down... your the one using profanity. I'm not excited at all... I'm just challenging your opinion. The term Baby Mama is so common these days its not even funny. You need to get out more!!! Prince didn't try and jump on some new saying or phrase any more than Hollywood did when they came out with a movie titled Baby Mama last year. http://www.moviefone.com/...27651/main In stead of being so taken aback and appauled by the title of the song (like I saind get out more)... try actually listening to the lyrics You just proved my exact point. He pulled out something that has been used and is almost tiring. It's a cliche, silly, non important phrase that makes most people puke. Just because he decided a song that fell into the r&b genre, doesn't mean he has to throw out such silly phrases to get some radio play. and you are right, the lyrics are good (really). but fucks it over in the overall message. I know right? crazy for me to not like a song for that phrase, but due to the all kinds of music that i enjoy... this didn't hit the quality grade. I'd rather have a song I fully enjoy, not just parts. . [Edited 3/5/09 12:14pm] | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Alexandernvrmind said: yes I do think you are reading way too much into it The term Baby Mama does not necesarily imply they are not married although I understand your point. Also given where Prince is now its pretty safe to assume hes talking about a woman he is in love with and wants to marry if hes not married to her already. I'm just puzzeled how you can get a negative vibe out of that song. I think that your take on what a Baby Mama is is more a relection on you as opposed to Prince using the term. Refering to someone as a Baby Mama is not comparable to calling someone a beeotch, hooker or ho. Your comparison of them is absurd and insulting. You dislike the chourus when he says you gotta bend in the wind but don't break? My lord have you ever been in a relationship let alone married? You have to bend... when there are storms in ur relationships... he is singing about a woman who will be there through thick of thin and will not run off as soon as things get tough. Thats the kind of woman he has found! Your free will comments are... I'm sorry nuts. You have completely missed the boat on what this song is about And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things ==> http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html [Edited 3/5/09 10:32am] Firstly, I find your insinuation that my interpretation is solely a reflection of my personal relationships (and insinuated "hang ups") not only unnecessary, but patronizing and categorically false. My personal experiences are irrelevant to my reading/interpretation of the lyrics; and as such I analyzed Prince's appropriation of the term "future baby mama" based on its commonly accepted use and definition in American English vernacular. (See urbandictionary.com for examples.) Secondly, I believe you misunderstood point number four. I was using the line from Days of Wild as an example of Prince speaking out against using derogatory words with which to refer to women. In my professional (n.b. not personal) opinion, this is a shift from the past. Specifically, Billy Jack Bitch is the only officially released song I can think of off the top of my head where he seemingly condones referring to a female as a bitch. I'm presuming you're a male, so I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully empathsize with the sexual objectification women are subjected to on nearly a daily basis (whether in their personal lives or from American society/media); so your dismissiveness of an alternative point of view is not entirely surprising (unfortunately). In conclusion, by stating that "And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things" you imply that there is only one correct interpretation of the lyrics -- yours. Surely you can see the fallacy of this? Unless you spoke with Prince personally regarding his exact meaning of the lyrics for Future Baby Mama (which I'm going to guess is not the case), then my interpretation is just as valid as yours, regardless of whether you believe it or not. I could just as easily infer things about your personal relationships based on your response to mine, but I'll refrain and give you the benefit of the doubt. I stand by what I said... read the lyrics of the song... its about the love of his life who hes sees as the mother of his children. Shes that precious and special... unlike his past lovers! Gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep her man! Its right there for you. You can apply any interpetation you like... it doesn't make it likely or even reasonable I'm sorry if I offended you... however its hard for me take you seriously when we have the lyrics of the song and they clearly aren't about the things that you have a problem with. I don't have to speak to Prince personally to draw that conclusion. Neither should you! The is not a song like Born in the USA by Springsteen... that while the chrous chimes "Born in the USA" its hardly a patriotic song. All you have to do is read the lyrics to know this. You can do the same for FBM... but for whatever reason you refuse to do so. So be it [Edited 3/5/09 12:51pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Sdldawn said: nice melody
jaw dropping bat shit terrible lyrics http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man) The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain The lyrics are great  ... unfortunately yes, that is our Princey... the one we love.
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I'm sorry ya'll but eye was 2 busy laughing, the song sucks sorry! | |
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Sdldawn said: I ain't sayin the overall lyrics are bad.. but the point is the focus of the topic. "Future Baby Mamma". All it was, was a failed attempt to become part of the "scene" in hopes of a hit..
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Insulting lyrics, faux neo-soul and a title that sounds like Prince is trying to be hip makes for an absolutely awful song, in my opinion. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: Insulting lyrics, faux neo-soul and a title that sounds like Prince is trying to be hip makes for an absolutely awful song, in my opinion.
What exactly is insulting about these lyrics? The comments regarding the lrycis of this song are in a word ABSURD!!! Prince Future Baby Mama Lyrics: I've heard it said my lovers look alike Could it be that I was looking 4 U They were cool but something wasn't right They had me fooled 4 a minute and then I saw the truth [Chorus] None of them got what it takes 2 B a future baby mama Gotta bend in the wind, but don't break 2 keep your man Show me 1 of them and I'll make her mine With no more drama Future baby mama I've heard it said that I won't treat U right (U know that ain't right babe) But they ain't sure 'cos they don't know nothing about U (U know what U want baby) U're too secure to ever want to fuss and fight (That's right) That's why Ur man never ever got a reason 2 doubt U [Chorus] Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more I want to make you happy, baby, (Oh yes) Happier than happy itself (Oh yes) U know what? If you'll ever need a hand, call me I'll help 'Cos I got U, anywhere U wanna go, uh (Oh yes) Paris, London, Africa, San Lucas Mexico, U C, I know what U want, What every good woman wants A man so in love with you He can't help but to flaunt U Deep down I know what U want You want your girlfriends to hate U 'Cos they can't get Ur man [Edited 3/5/09 15:25pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Never liked the title either, but I LOVE the melody and the over all instrumentation. I have never listened to Prince for his lyrics, IMHO at his best only when he busted out the clever, naughty, double entendres. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Moonbeam said: Insulting lyrics, faux neo-soul and a title that sounds like Prince is trying to be hip makes for an absolutely awful song, in my opinion.
What exactly is insulting about these lyrics? The comments regarding the lrycis of this song are in a word ABSURD!!! Prince Future Baby Mama Lyrics: I've heard it said my lovers look alike Could it be that I was looking 4 U They were cool but something wasn't right They had me fooled 4 a minute and then I saw the truth [Chorus] None of them got what it takes 2 B a future baby mama Gotta bend in the wind, but don't break 2 keep your man Show me 1 of them and I'll make her mine With no more drama Future baby mama I've heard it said that I won't treat U right (U know that ain't right babe) But they ain't sure 'cos they don't know nothing about U (U know what U want baby) U're too secure to ever want to fuss and fight (That's right) That's why Ur man never ever got a reason 2 doubt U [Chorus] Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more I want to make you happy, baby, (Oh yes) Happier than happy itself (Oh yes) U know what? If you'll ever need a hand, call me I'll help 'Cos I got U, anywhere U wanna go, uh (Oh yes) Paris, London, Africa, San Lucas Mexico, U C, I know what U want, What every good woman wants A man so in love with you He can't help but to flaunt U Deep down I know what U want You want your girlfriends to hate U 'Cos they can't get Ur man [Edited 3/5/09 15:25pm] hey, if the lines he's running work on you, more power to him. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Alexandernvrmind said: yes I do think you are reading way too much into it The term Baby Mama does not necesarily imply they are not married although I understand your point. Also given where Prince is now its pretty safe to assume hes talking about a woman he is in love with and wants to marry if hes not married to her already. I'm just puzzeled how you can get a negative vibe out of that song. I think that your take on what a Baby Mama is is more a relection on you as opposed to Prince using the term. Refering to someone as a Baby Mama is not comparable to calling someone a beeotch, hooker or ho. Your comparison of them is absurd and insulting. You dislike the chourus when he says you gotta bend in the wind but don't break? My lord have you ever been in a relationship let alone married? You have to bend... when there are storms in ur relationships... he is singing about a woman who will be there through thick of thin and will not run off as soon as things get tough. Thats the kind of woman he has found! Your free will comments are... I'm sorry nuts. You have completely missed the boat on what this song is about And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things ==> http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html [Edited 3/5/09 10:32am] Firstly, I find your insinuation that my interpretation is solely a reflection of my personal relationships (and insinuated "hang ups") not only unnecessary, but patronizing and categorically false. My personal experiences are irrelevant to my reading/interpretation of the lyrics; and as such I analyzed Prince's appropriation of the term "future baby mama" based on its commonly accepted use and definition in American English vernacular. (See urbandictionary.com for examples.) Secondly, I believe you misunderstood point number four. I was using the line from Days of Wild as an example of Prince speaking out against using derogatory words with which to refer to women. In my professional (n.b. not personal) opinion, this is a shift from the past. Specifically, Billy Jack Bitch is the only officially released song I can think of off the top of my head where he seemingly condones referring to a female as a bitch. I'm presuming you're a male, so I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully empathsize with the sexual objectification women are subjected to on nearly a daily basis (whether in their personal lives or from American society/media); so your dismissiveness of an alternative point of view is not entirely surprising (unfortunately). In conclusion, by stating that "And again I think that says more about some personal hang-ups you have as opposed to actually understanding what Prince is saying in the song. Click this link and read the lyrics and then go back and read what you posted... they aren't even close to being about the same things" you imply that there is only one correct interpretation of the lyrics -- yours. Surely you can see the fallacy of this? Unless you spoke with Prince personally regarding his exact meaning of the lyrics for Future Baby Mama (which I'm going to guess is not the case), then my interpretation is just as valid as yours, regardless of whether you believe it or not. I could just as easily infer things about your personal relationships based on your response to mine, but I'll refrain and give you the benefit of the doubt. dig your sig To Sir, with Love | |
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It sounds much better accelerated:
I have a faster mix, at it proves that it should've been recorded faster. YHWH is Elohim, and Yahoshua is King! | |
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Linn4days said: It sounds much better accelerated:
really?? i would love 2 hear that version... Love God. Love Music. Love Life. | |
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Sdldawn said: Alexandernvrmind said: you calm down... your the one using profanity. I'm not excited at all... I'm just challenging your opinion. The term Baby Mama is so common these days its not even funny. You need to get out more!!! Prince didn't try and jump on some new saying or phrase any more than Hollywood did when they came out with a movie titled Baby Mama last year. http://www.moviefone.com/...27651/main In stead of being so taken aback and appauled by the title of the song (like I saind get out more)... try actually listening to the lyrics You just proved my exact point. He pulled out something that has been used and is almost tiring. It's a cliche, silly, non important phrase that makes most people puke. Just because he decided a song that fell into the r&b genre, doesn't mean he has to throw out such silly phrases to get some radio play. and you are right, the lyrics are good (really). but fucks it over in the overall message. I know right? crazy for me to not like a song for that phrase, but due to the all kinds of music that i enjoy... this didn't hit the quality grade. I'd rather have a song I fully enjoy, not just parts. . [Edited 3/5/09 12:14pm] I guess you hated the song pussy control too then Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: I guess you hated the song pussy control too then why are you putting so much effort into trying to change someone's taste? it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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shoe was the gem among all of PE To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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stanleylieber said: Alexandernvrmind said: I guess you hated the song pussy control too then why are you putting so much effort into trying to change someone's taste? Is that what I'm doing? I think people are confusing not liking the term Baby Mama with the lyrics of the song. The lyrics of the song are strong. I don't like the song Pussy Control... don't like the title either But I sure as hell wouldn't argue anyone about the lyrics... the lyrics to the song are tight. I don't like the music, title or vocal delivery of the song. When people talk about FBM I think they should be that clear. The songs lyrics are not garbage. If you don't like the music ... then say so. If you don't like his vocal or even feel that the term Baby Mama is degrading I can even get that. But the lyrics to the song are solid. P has written some garbage lyrics before ... but FBM ain't one of those songs [Edited 3/6/09 14:25pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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It is a Great song 2 warm up 2 in a workout | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: stanleylieber said: why are you putting so much effort into trying to change someone's taste? Is that what I'm doing? I think people are confusing not liking the term Baby Mama with the lyrics of the song. The lyrics of the song are strong. I don't like the song Pussy Control... don't like the title either But I sure as hell wouldn't argue anyone about the lyrics... the lyrics to the song are tight. I don't like the music, title or vocal delivery of the song. When people talk about FBM I think they should be that clear. The songs lyrics are not garbage. If you don't like the music ... then say so. If you don't like his vocal or even feel that the term Baby Mama is degrading I can even get that. But the lyrics to the song are solid. P has written some garbage lyrics before ... but FBM ain't one of those songs [Edited 3/6/09 14:25pm] that's just it though. i really, really like the music. the singing is okay. these are just my opinions. you state your own opinions as if they are immutable. not everyone is always going to agree with you. at some point in life you'll have to come to terms with that. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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If you were talking about a trifle like Sexy MF than we could debate. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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love this song but hate the expression,future baby mama! NOOO! it's nasty  i'm sure he coulda come up with a more original description
instead of making his lover sound like a baby machine i think prince has been watching too much maury | |
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I don't think the title is deragatory, depends on how its read. | |
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jill4life said: I don't think the title is deragatory, depends on how its read.
like prince says, "there's a theocratic order." god -> man -> woman -> child -> animals so, if you're prince's woman, you'd better be ready to do what you're told. otherwise, "oops [you're] out the door." the song is a blunt declaration of prince's intention to "wear the pants" in the relationship. i think this is the attitude that turns some people off. human beings are created equal, not in some arbitrary hierarchy of power. [Edited 3/7/09 11:35am] it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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 I wish u heaven | |
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stanleylieber said: jill4life said: I don't think the title is deragatory, depends on how its read.
like prince says, "there's a theocratic order." god -> man -> woman -> child -> animals so, if you're prince's woman, you'd better be ready to do what you're told. otherwise, "oops [you're] out the door." the song is a blunt declaration of prince's intention to "wear the pants" in the relationship. i think this is the attitude that turns some people off. human beings are created equal, not in some arbitrary hierarchy of power. [Edited 3/7/09 11:35am] stupid Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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DMSRCMC12 said: It is a Great song 2 warm up 2 in a workout
I walk to this double time on the tread mill. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: stanleylieber said: like prince says, "there's a theocratic order." god -> man -> woman -> child -> animals so, if you're prince's woman, you'd better be ready to do what you're told. otherwise, "oops [you're] out the door." the song is a blunt declaration of prince's intention to "wear the pants" in the relationship. i think this is the attitude that turns some people off. human beings are created equal, not in some arbitrary hierarchy of power. [Edited 3/7/09 11:35am] stupid how could you forget that jesus is the rule it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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