jtfolden said:

the holy river video, when he's falling around all drunkenly

pray4rain said:

That performance did look way out of normal balance...

why don't you talk about prince and his taste for herion back in the day?

pgw1973 said:

there's a big difference between being known for doing or not doing something, and the truth. he drunk in london during the o2 shows, i know he drinks pina colada's and red wine for example. he drunk wine during the 3121 vegas shows too. he's even sang about drinking

there's also a big difference between heroin and smoking weed, and in princes mind if he doesn't do anything anymore, he will just say he doesn't do it, it doesn't mean he hasn't done it. i'm sure he's probably shared a doobie with someone at one point during the last 50 years. he does work in the music business after all

CHRISLUV92 said:

who knows eh? I don't think it would have done his career any good imo

Why do the ones that do drugs always ask these questions?

Heck no.

musicians who need drugs as a creative tool are pathetic to me and so is their music. If you can't do it for real. Then just can't do it.
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P2daP said:

so george clinton, sly stone, the beatles, marvin gaye, miles davis, the rolling stones, led zeppelin, jimi hendrix, elvis presley, jim morrison, david bowie, pink floyd, etc etc are all pathetic?

most of the great music has been created by artists who took drugs

unique said:

Sucks to be them.

I look at it like baseball players and steroids if you can't hit 70 home runs in a season without using drugs to help you do it. Well then you just can't hit 70 home runs in a season. Doesn't mean your not talented but your just not as talented as the recored book says your are.
[Edited 2/22/09 3:28am]

P2daP said:

there's a big difference between sport and arts. people still play music and watch movies and look at paintings from years ago, on a daily basis. the typical joe bloggs will regularly listen to old music and enjoy it, but who watches old sports events on a regular basis, or cares about it? a small minority will, but as time goes on people care less about sportsmen. sportsmanship is about following certain rules and not cheating, whereas music and arts is about breaking down boundaries and having no rules. it doesn't matter how the art was created, it's the end result that matters. that's why people will enjoy music that is sampled from other records, for example. but in music, the taking of drugs can sometimes lead to an opening of minds and greater creativity, thus better art as a result. it can also fuck people up and lead them to create absolute shit, so it's a fine line that has to be ridden

unique said:

But that doesn't man that 'drugs' made or facilitatd the music. We will never know what that list of musicians mentioned would have been capable of doing at their peak without the use of drugs. Perhaps Hendrix would have been a 100 x more creative than he was. Have you considered that drug taking may have inhibited his natural artistic ability? How many of the guys you listed above missed concerts and let the fans down due to putting themselves into some drug related coma? I love Sly. love him but his career is littered with disaster and it was more often than not because of drug use. Just because they took drugs doesn't mean that drugs were responsible for an artists creativity. Several artists have never touched drugs and have still created masterpieces.

3121 said:

you seem to be mixing up the use of drugs as a creative tool with the use of drugs for other reasons. fact is that most of the artists that are listed as the most creative and talented have a documented association with drug use. how many truley creative musicians have never taken drugs? the problem is that whilst the great musicians were inspired creatively by drugs, most of them screwed up in other ways as a result of drugs, but sometimes the downside of drugs can end up leading to other great works too, such as exile on main street, rumours or hotel california. unfortunately it seems that happiness and sobriety doesn't normally create the best music

unique said:

You're assuming they "needed" the drugs to be creative, which doesn't seem to make sense to me seeing most all of them were creative musicians/artists before the drugs became integral parts of their "scenes".

And no one ever talks about the toll the drugs had on their creative longevity. A lot of people who went through serious drug phases stopped being creative at the height of their drug use and if they survived it they became creative again in their immediate withdrawal periods or sometimes way after that.

unique said:

How many creative people in general haven't taken drugs? The question doesn't really make sense because most people have tried something at some point in their lives... that doesn't mean they're any more creative because of it.

What Lezma said.

my lord this topic will never die--it just keeps poppin up every few months

67, 67
Freaks dance like they in heaven
DJ don't stop the music, DJ don't stop the music
Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights
Before U say goodnight though
Let's make a toast yo
This ain't about this, that, what, where, or how
This about the freaks doing everything they wanna do now!

I love this song & this part especially!

Look, most people smoke some weed. That's just realistic. Prince I'm sure doesn't do anything anymore & more power to him. But don't start knocking people who smoke up... we ain't hurting nobody. sports & arts are most certainly too diff to compare, I really do think that's a stretch if I ever heard one. drugs don't make u a better artist, only practice of the art can make u better... drugs can just sometimes open the mind a bit for some people. My brother for instance has horrible insomnia & the only thing that puts him to sleep is de herb.

I honestly do not believe Prince has ever been involved with drugs. He left Vanity because of her drug abuse. I have the book written by Dez Dickerson where he clearly stated that he'd never witnessed Prince doing drugs. Susan Rogers never stated he did drugs. Alan Leeds indicated that Prince never did drugs.Murphy Brown indicated how Prince did not drink or do drugs.Stop speculating. Do u'r research. Start with those whom had direct contact with him. The performance he did with James Brown was unexpected.I thought it was hilarious. Clearly he was in character.I mean 4 crying out loud. Prince is oppositional. He play by his rules & his alone. He has always been defiant. Some people mistake that 4 being erratic. I classify it as FREEDOM of individualism.

purplexxe7 said:

Look, u can live in the fantasy where he didn't do any drugs if u want. There is a big difference between being a user & an abuser whether u like it or not.
[Edited 2/22/09 9:52am]

thecloud said:

That doesn't mean he did the stuff in the 80's like Pookie fomr New Jack City lol

Yeah Prince drinks every now and hen and did X back then but he is probably not even a casual user of drugs. I mean come on now.

lezama said:

i'm not assuming anything. i'm suggesting that the drugs helped the creative process, and i'm not denying the toll it takes either, but sometimes even the toll it takes can result in some excellent music, such as the examples i gave, which are some of the greatest albums recorded

No? I think y'all listen to "The Future" again:

''Yellow smiley offers me X / like he's drinking 7-Up / I'd rather drink six razor blades / razor blades from a paper cup.''

lezama said:

i'm talking about the use of drugs in regards to arts, not in general. the arts are one of the few areas where drugs can help the creative process

if you take the examples i mentioned and compare the music before and after the documented periods of drug taking, you will see that the music after drug taking was improved and far more creative. look at the change in the work by the beatles after they were introduced to drugs for example

PurpleMedley122 said:

maybe he's talking from experience, one he didn't enjoy

lezama said:

I agree. And just think how much better the creations they made while high would have been if they weren't doing drugs. Hmmmm.

IAmMyFather said:

can't talk about the clandestine

Iz bad combinashen P alredy crezy.

sermwanderer said:

Firstly, u said u know all about him, so I asked "really?" meaning, do u really know all about him? I guess u meant to say u know all about his supposed ecstacy experience.
Secondly, u can't guarantee anything on someone u don't know, so u can't guarantee that I know the story.
Thirdly, I can be an asshole but I'd rather not attract jackass attention to myself.

One of the many lessons of life
I have learned is
People tell on themselves

it never fails

most drunks and geekers
loose a lot of weight
their faces
bodies and
behaviors
tell on them


also life experience
has another place
in this truth
many of us has done things
2 hurt ourselves
out of pain
anger
and
ignorance


regardless to the excuses we make
the truth always comes to the light !
Open thy eyes and thou shall see
the truth is right in front of thee

When you love someone
help them
not hurt them
nor let them keep
killing themselves