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A Song Called Wally: the epitaph of Prince's breakup with Susannah Melvoin Chapter 9 Alone:Wally The Rise & Fall of Prince (Just a bit of Prince history) The dispute over Crystal Ball left Prince frustrated & depressed. And to make matters worse, his relationship with Susannah Melvoin was spinning out of control for the last time. In the months since the couple had concluded their brief attempt at cohabitation in Prince's Chanhassan home, their fighting had continued taking an emotional toll on the both of them. In December 1986, Susannah finally decided she had had enough; she packed her things and returned to Los Angeles San Fernando Valley, joining Lisa & Wendy "You can only subject yourself to so much, unless your self abusive, and she had a lot of respect for herself," observered Karen Krattinger. "He probably would have kept her on a yo yo forever." One evening shortly after Sussanah's departure, Susan Rogers could tell something was very wrong when Prince came down to the basement studio. Looking disconsolate and barely speaking, he began constructing a song around a meloncholy piano pattern. His spoken lyrics portrayed a fictional dialogue between himself and Wally Safford, a dancer in the band. Sounding sad and lost, Prince asks Wally to borrow $50 and some sunglasses so he can impress his lover, but then changes his mind and returns the items telling Wally that since he is alone now, he has no one to spend the money on. Prince was accompanied only by piano throught the verse, but guitar bass and drums enter as the song built to a chorus on which he sings the phrase "o-ma-la-di-da" Watching Prince construct the song which he called "Wally", Rogers was stunned by the honest emotion and wistfull resignation it conveyed. She saw the song both as a farewell to Susannah and a means of expelling the poison of failed relationship. "Do you know that malady means sickness, illness in French?" Prince asked Rogers. Refering to the phrase he sings in the chorus. "It's almost like the word melody, isn't it?" Prince who rarely exposed his inner feelings, even in his music, was groping for a metaphor that would convey his feeling of loss. Rogers felt it was a turning point in his songwriting. But as the session continued, Prince started to distance himself from the creation. He added extraneous instruments to diminished the songs clarity. A percussion part that cluttered the verse, detracting from the lyrics. Don't you think it was better before, Prince?" Rogers said. "Maybe we should stop" He ignored her, adding the synthizer riff. Soon it became clear to her: He was intentionally destroying the song. After larding the piece with additional instruments, he finally spoke. "Now put all 24 Channels on record and erase it." he told Rogers No, you can't do this!" Rogers said dismayed by the prospect of losing the statement at the core of the song. If you don't I will," Prince responded Rogers stood her ground, and Prince was forced to operate the soundboard himself, as he destroyed his own music. "Wally" like his relationship with Susannah, Wendy & Lisa involved more emotional intensity than Prince was willing to accept. "I thought it was the greatest thing he had ever done" says Rogers. I had waited years to hear a Prince song like this. I ached for him to be this honest. Yet Princes refusal to explore his feelings was not altogether surprising. Rogers had discussed the topic of depression with him and found Prince contemptuous of the notion. "He thought it was practically a sin to be depressed" she remembered. Many other associates have observed that Prince -not only in his relationships, but even in his music -is cryptic and unrevealing of his deepest feelings. "His music is very passionate, but he doesn't let himself open up emotionally" observed Marylou Badeaux. "And look at the way he's dealt with women in his life- he's not able to get emotional. He just keeps it on the level of sex play." Though Susannah has never formally been a part of the Revolution, her personal and creative influence on Prince from 1983 to 1986 rivaled that of Wendy & Lisa. With her exit from the scene, the Revolution period ended irrevocably. The epitaph of this time would be "Wally", a song no one would hear. [Edited 2/20/09 18:20pm] | |
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"He thought it was practically a sin to be depressed" she remembered. Many other associates have observed that Prince -not only in his relationships, but even in his music -is cryptic and unrevealing of his deepest feelings. "His music is very passionate, but he doesn't let himself open up emotionally" observed Marylou Badeaux. "And look at the way he's dealt with women in his life- he's not able to get emotional. He just keeps it on the level of sex play."
i don't know about the rest of u, but i think that the above quote was a riduculous and uneducated assessment to make regarding Prince and his emotions. i don't know of anyone that wants to make their deepest inner feelings and emotions extremely public, there are feelings one is willing to share and others that one wants to keep private. Thouroughly allowed and extremely SANE! Secondly,OBVIOUSLY Prince opens up emotionally maybe not to every woman's liking because Prince didn't drop at their feet with complete adoration. Just because alot of the women Prince dated, romanced and had sex with, but weren't the ones he was looking to spend his entire life with doesn't mean that he isn't expressing himself emotionally, he just isn't sharing all of his deepest feelings. And thats still healthy. And i don't know about u , but i write and find it very Cathartic to write and then tear it up or destroy it, because i worked out my feelings with ink and paper. Where as Prince worked out his feelings and emotions in music and then destroyed it. All very sane and wholistic. And emotionally inelligent. | |
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"Aw heck P. That was dumb. How could you lose a nice lookin' lady like that? You'd better not be like Eddie Haskell or Fred Rutherford or I'm gonna slug ya". "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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ahh Wally ....the prince's fans Holy Grail...someday |
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What a shame. www.arjunmusic.com
www.myspace.com/arjunmusic www.cdbaby.com/arjuntunes ARJUN: funk-indie-rock-jazz-groove trio just released their debut album entitled, "Pieces" Instrumental heavy grooves and improvisation. | |
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Hey it's 2009, I think he's gotten over it by now-Geez. | |
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Why couldn't he have done this with "Jughead" and "Right The Wrong"? (Pun intended.) | |
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...  Is this from a book or something? | |
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suomynona said: Why couldn't he have done this with "Jughead" and "Right The Wrong"? (Pun intended.)
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cherrymoongirl said: ...
Is this from a book or something?yeah the chapter and book are right under the pic of Wendy & Susannah | |
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ReginaCarman said: "He thought it was practically a sin to be depressed" she remembered. Many other associates have observed that Prince -not only in his relationships, but even in his music -is cryptic and unrevealing of his deepest feelings. "His music is very passionate, but he doesn't let himself open up emotionally" observed Marylou Badeaux. "And look at the way he's dealt with women in his life- he's not able to get emotional. He just keeps it on the level of sex play."
i don't know about the rest of u, but i think that the above quote was a riduculous and uneducated assessment to make regarding Prince and his emotions. i don't know of anyone that wants to make their deepest inner feelings and emotions extremely public, there are feelings one is willing to share and others that one wants to keep private. Thouroughly allowed and extremely SANE! Secondly,OBVIOUSLY Prince opens up emotionally maybe not to every woman's liking because Prince didn't drop at their feet with complete adoration. Just because alot of the women Prince dated, romanced and had sex with, but weren't the ones he was looking to spend his entire life with doesn't mean that he isn't expressing himself emotionally, he just isn't sharing all of his deepest feelings. And thats still healthy. And i don't know about u , but i write and find it very Cathartic to write and then tear it up or destroy it, because i worked out my feelings with ink and paper. Where as Prince worked out his feelings and emotions in music and then destroyed it. All very sane and wholistic. And emotionally inelligent. I don't fully agree, I think on a personal level you can do that to a degree. When we realize that our gifts are not just for us but moreso for others, u look at it differently. What if Michaelangelo worked out his frustrations on they Sistine Chapel and then destroyed it. I know I know..he was commissioned to do that work. But still.. I think this topic goes hand in hand with the topic of Old Friends 4 Sale. The original was very expressive and deep and emotional, whereas the later release in my opinion was very safe and newsletterish. | |
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The book was actually pretty good. The Wally story was memorable, mainly because of the S.Rogers descriptions. Check her out on the internet now. See what she is studying and doing, very interesting stuff.
I thought the story of how he ended the Revolution was also interesting. | |
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Dayclear said: Hey it's 2009, I think he's gotten over it by now-Geez.
oh course But it's human nature that people have regrets But Wendy & Susannah have joined him on stage at a show here and there to do a song just in the last 5 years. And according to (St.)Paul Peterson & Alan Leeds there is talk of Prince doing a song or 2 with the Family 2.0 which includeds Susannah They have some really nice music coming out, which sound like the Family album music 2009. | |
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ReginaCarman said: "He thought it was practically a sin to be depressed" she remembered. Many other associates have observed that Prince -not only in his relationships, but even in his music -is cryptic and unrevealing of his deepest feelings. "His music is very passionate, but he doesn't let himself open up emotionally" observed Marylou Badeaux. "And look at the way he's dealt with women in his life- he's not able to get emotional. He just keeps it on the level of sex play."
i don't know about the rest of u, but i think that the above quote was a riduculous and uneducated assessment to make regarding Prince and his emotions. i don't know of anyone that wants to make their deepest inner feelings and emotions extremely public, there are feelings one is willing to share and others that one wants to keep private. Thouroughly allowed and extremely SANE! Secondly,OBVIOUSLY Prince opens up emotionally maybe not to every woman's liking because Prince didn't drop at their feet with complete adoration. Just because alot of the women Prince dated, romanced and had sex with, but weren't the ones he was looking to spend his entire life with doesn't mean that he isn't expressing himself emotionally, he just isn't sharing all of his deepest feelings. And thats still healthy. And i don't know about u , but i write and find it very Cathartic to write and then tear it up or destroy it, because i worked out my feelings with ink and paper. Where as Prince worked out his feelings and emotions in music and then destroyed it. All very sane and wholistic. And emotionally inelligent. ----- Co-sign. He worked out his feelings in the song and got rid of it. It was not for the public to hear. In addtion, Susan Rogers misses the whole issue of culture. In the African-American world a lot of problems are taken to God not to a shrink. This is good sometimes and sometimes bad but I can totally understand P thinking it a sin to be depressed. | |
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Makes me think of the song "Willie" by Joni Mitchell. Wonder if that is what he was really thinking of. PaisleyRose was here  | |
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laurarichardson said: ReginaCarman said: i don't know about the rest of u, but i think that the above quote was a riduculous and uneducated assessment to make regarding Prince and his emotions. i don't know of anyone that wants to make their deepest inner feelings and emotions extremely public, there are feelings one is willing to share and others that one wants to keep private. Thouroughly allowed and extremely SANE! Secondly,OBVIOUSLY Prince opens up emotionally maybe not to every woman's liking because Prince didn't drop at their feet with complete adoration. Just because alot of the women Prince dated, romanced and had sex with, but weren't the ones he was looking to spend his entire life with doesn't mean that he isn't expressing himself emotionally, he just isn't sharing all of his deepest feelings. And thats still healthy. And i don't know about u , but i write and find it very Cathartic to write and then tear it up or destroy it, because i worked out my feelings with ink and paper. Where as Prince worked out his feelings and emotions in music and then destroyed it. All very sane and wholistic. And emotionally inelligent. ----- Co-sign. He worked out his feelings in the song and got rid of it. It was not for the public to hear. In addtion, Susan Rogers misses the whole issue of culture. In the African-American world a lot of problems are taken to God not to a shrink. This is good sometimes and sometimes bad but I can totally understand P thinking it a sin to be depressed. Maybe not, but being right there being his engineer helping him actually create the song then destroy it was probably really difficult for her. We most likely don't understand her position and relation with Prince. She was his engineer from before Purple Rain till Lovesexy. She was privey to things we could only imagine. Plus being African-American has nothing to do with it. That is a religous issue that whites & blacks share. In the African American community a lot of problem are handled with the fist, with sleep, with food, with God, with alcohol, with weed, with the dance floor, with sex... guess what? Just like everyone else. Being depressed is not a sin. Even Jesus was depressed in the garden because of what he had to face. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: cherrymoongirl said: ...
Is this from a book or something?yeah the chapter and book are right under the pic of Wendy & Susannah ah. yes, there it is. thank you.  | |
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laurarichardson said: ReginaCarman said: i don't know about the rest of u, but i think that the above quote was a riduculous and uneducated assessment to make regarding Prince and his emotions. i don't know of anyone that wants to make their deepest inner feelings and emotions extremely public, there are feelings one is willing to share and others that one wants to keep private. Thouroughly allowed and extremely SANE! Secondly,OBVIOUSLY Prince opens up emotionally maybe not to every woman's liking because Prince didn't drop at their feet with complete adoration. Just because alot of the women Prince dated, romanced and had sex with, but weren't the ones he was looking to spend his entire life with doesn't mean that he isn't expressing himself emotionally, he just isn't sharing all of his deepest feelings. And thats still healthy. And i don't know about u , but i write and find it very Cathartic to write and then tear it up or destroy it, because i worked out my feelings with ink and paper. Where as Prince worked out his feelings and emotions in music and then destroyed it. All very sane and wholistic. And emotionally inelligent. ----- Co-sign. He worked out his feelings in the song and got rid of it. It was not for the public to hear. In addtion, Susan Rogers misses the whole issue of culture. In the African-American world a lot of problems are taken to God not to a shrink. This is good sometimes and sometimes bad but I can totally understand P thinking it a sin to be depressed. This is the same culture that buys $300 sneakers or big screen televisions before food, medicine & books. There's room for improvement. Especially if what Prince considers is worth the public's hearing is crap like Jughead. Furthermore, it didn't stop him years later from releasing songs like Papa or Wasted Kisses. It's a shame that this song was lost. | |
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Wow. This may have been THE turning point in Prince's art. Trashing a song is atypical of someone who stores everything in his vault, and to do so because it was TOO HONEST? That's the death of artistic integrity. Self-censoring the truth. And he didn't just stash it away. He ruined it, then erased it out of existence. After a standoff with his engineer. It goes to show just how much Susannah, Wendy and Lisa meant to him. It seems like his love and need for them were so great it offended his sense of independence. He refused to show how strongly he felt about them. In the moment of truth, he succumbed to pride.
Had Prince released Wally--and by extension, pursued that vein of total vulnerable honesty, he might have charted a completely different path for himself. It may have opened the door to truly confessional songwriting, made Prince take a deeper look at himself. Could've even patched things up with Susannah. Broadened him emotionally and morally, to accept loss and human weakness. At the very least it would have brought to sharper relief the choice that lay before him: Love or power. Trust and commitment, or the empty joys of celebrity. Imagine if Prince rearranged his priorities to value the people closest to him over his own freedom, over music itself. Imagine how it would have affected his spirituality. Imagine Prince's art evolving while rooted in a solid foundation of love and friendship... Imagine, as he suggests on 'Forever in My Life,' if Susannah actually saved his soul... He might have surpassed 1999, Purple Rain, and Sign o' the Times three, four, five times over. | |
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padawan said: Wow. This may have been THE turning point in Prince's art. Trashing a song is atypical of someone who stores everything in his vault, and to do so because it was TOO HONEST? That's the death of artistic integrity. Self-censoring the truth. And he didn't just stash it away. He ruined it, then erased it out of existence. After a standoff with his engineer. It goes to show just how much Susannah, Wendy and Lisa meant to him. It seems like his love and need for them were so great it offended his sense of independence. He refused to show how strongly he felt about them. In the moment of truth, he succumbed to pride.
Had Prince released Wally--and by extension, pursued that vein of total vulnerable honesty, he might have charted a completely different path for himself. It may have opened the door to truly confessional songwriting, made Prince take a deeper look at himself. Could've even patched things up with Susannah. Broadened him emotionally and morally, to accept loss and human weakness. At the very least it would have brought to sharper relief the choice that lay before him: Love or power. Trust and commitment, or the empty joys of celebrity. Imagine if Prince rearranged his priorities to value the people closest to him over his own freedom, over music itself. Imagine how it would have affected his spirituality. Imagine Prince's art evolving while rooted in a solid foundation of love and friendship... Imagine, as he suggests on 'Forever in My Life,' if Susannah actually saved his soul... He might have surpassed 1999, Purple Rain, and Sign o' the Times three, four, five times over. We must not negelect the fact that the greatness of this song is built upon one persons opinion. Could time and nostalgia have influenced her opinion of a song she heard in one session? Perhaps Prince destroyed the song because he simply thought it was 'crap'. Maybe, the version he destroyed wasn't even the original version. Who knows? there could be 5 versions of Wally in existence which pre-date the session with Susan Rogers. We just can't say. Sure does make for an interesting story in his career though. | |
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padawan said: Wow. This may have been THE turning point in Prince's art. Trashing a song is atypical of someone who stores everything in his vault, and to do so because it was TOO HONEST? That's the death of artistic integrity. Self-censoring the truth. And he didn't just stash it away. He ruined it, then erased it out of existence. After a standoff with his engineer. It goes to show just how much Susannah, Wendy and Lisa meant to him. It seems like his love and need for them were so great it offended his sense of independence. He refused to show how strongly he felt about them. In the moment of truth, he succumbed to pride.
Had Prince released Wally--and by extension, pursued that vein of total vulnerable honesty, he might have charted a completely different path for himself. It may have opened the door to truly confessional songwriting, made Prince take a deeper look at himself. Could've even patched things up with Susannah. Broadened him emotionally and morally, to accept loss and human weakness. At the very least it would have brought to sharper relief the choice that lay before him: Love or power. Trust and commitment, or the empty joys of celebrity. Imagine if Prince rearranged his priorities to value the people closest to him over his own freedom, over music itself. Imagine how it would have affected his spirituality. Imagine Prince's art evolving while rooted in a solid foundation of love and friendship... Imagine, as he suggests on 'Forever in My Life,' if Susannah actually saved his soul... He might have surpassed 1999, Purple Rain, and Sign o' the Times three, four, five times over.  | |
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Great thread. You know, I have that book and I've never read it. The title of the book is totally wrong, from my point of view. P hasn't fallen. He's still alive making and producing music.
It is disheartening that that emotional expression was put into something attainable like music and then "destroyed" or erased but that's out man, ain't it. He's been in love and been out of love but our man has grown up. Love is different when you grow up. Or perhaps I should say "mature". Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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moderatorPurpleLove7 said: Great thread. You know, I have that book and I've never read it. The title of the book is totally wrong, from my point of view. P hasn't fallen. He's still alive making and producing music.
It is disheartening that that emotional expression was put into something attainable like music and then "destroyed" or erased but that's out man, ain't it. He's been in love and been out of love but our man has grown up. Love is different when you grow up. Or perhaps I should say "mature". It's actually a good book Don't let the title get you I did when it first came out, and then by mistake read a piece without knowing it was the Rise and Fall of Prince And it turned out to be really good. The guy who wrote it is a fan. Prince did go thru a dark time...which some people actually don't come back from. Many famous musicians went thru similar times and lost their lives. But FALL doesn't mean END. And when I read the end, the book was shedding light on his (possible)RISE. I think the book went up to the year 1999 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic And for many people artistically Prince was on really shaky ground. | |
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padawan said: Wow. This may have been THE turning point in Prince's art. Trashing a song is atypical of someone who stores everything in his vault, and to do so because it was TOO HONEST? That's the death of artistic integrity. Self-censoring the truth. And he didn't just stash it away. He ruined it, then erased it out of existence. After a standoff with his engineer. It goes to show just how much Susannah, Wendy and Lisa meant to him. It seems like his love and need for them were so great it offended his sense of independence. He refused to show how strongly he felt about them. In the moment of truth, he succumbed to pride.
Had Prince released Wally--and by extension, pursued that vein of total vulnerable honesty, he might have charted a completely different path for himself. It may have opened the door to truly confessional songwriting, made Prince take a deeper look at himself. Could've even patched things up with Susannah. Broadened him emotionally and morally, to accept loss and human weakness. At the very least it would have brought to sharper relief the choice that lay before him: Love or power. Trust and commitment, or the empty joys of celebrity. Imagine if Prince rearranged his priorities to value the people closest to him over his own freedom, over music itself. Imagine how it would have affected his spirituality. Imagine Prince's art evolving while rooted in a solid foundation of love and friendship... Imagine, as he suggests on 'Forever in My Life,' if Susannah actually saved his soul... He might have surpassed 1999, Purple Rain, and Sign o' the Times three, four, five times over. WOW Padawan!! You really summed up the possibilities That was awesome | |
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3121 said: padawan said: Wow. This may have been THE turning point in Prince's art. Trashing a song is atypical of someone who stores everything in his vault, and to do so because it was TOO HONEST? That's the death of artistic integrity. Self-censoring the truth. And he didn't just stash it away. He ruined it, then erased it out of existence. After a standoff with his engineer. It goes to show just how much Susannah, Wendy and Lisa meant to him. It seems like his love and need for them were so great it offended his sense of independence. He refused to show how strongly he felt about them. In the moment of truth, he succumbed to pride.
Had Prince released Wally--and by extension, pursued that vein of total vulnerable honesty, he might have charted a completely different path for himself. It may have opened the door to truly confessional songwriting, made Prince take a deeper look at himself. Could've even patched things up with Susannah. Broadened him emotionally and morally, to accept loss and human weakness. At the very least it would have brought to sharper relief the choice that lay before him: Love or power. Trust and commitment, or the empty joys of celebrity. Imagine if Prince rearranged his priorities to value the people closest to him over his own freedom, over music itself. Imagine how it would have affected his spirituality. Imagine Prince's art evolving while rooted in a solid foundation of love and friendship... Imagine, as he suggests on 'Forever in My Life,' if Susannah actually saved his soul... He might have surpassed 1999, Purple Rain, and Sign o' the Times three, four, five times over. We must not negelect the fact that the greatness of this song is built upon one persons opinion. Could time and nostalgia have influenced her opinion of a song she heard in one session? Perhaps Prince destroyed the song because he simply thought it was 'crap'. Maybe, the version he destroyed wasn't even the original version. Who knows? there could be 5 versions of Wally in existence which pre-date the session with Susan Rogers. We just can't say. Sure does make for an interesting story in his career though. All those things are possible But being a woman(the memory) and his engineer for the 1980's going to the studio because he called at 2am working with him (and band) and hearing things we will never? I think I believe her. Remember, the song was based upon the (firing) of Wendy & Lisa and the end of his relationship with Susannah. So the timing couldn't have been 2 far off. | |
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I think the significance of Susannah's impact on Prince music should be brought out.
The song 'The Beautiful One's' was inspired by her. This song that he wooed her with replaced Electic Intercourse, for the Purple Rain soundtrack. the Family was indirectly built around his relationship with her. And that is some power fantastic music Miss Understood, Neon Telephone Teacher Teacher, White Girls, Susannah's Blues It's A Wonderful Day Alot of the Dream Factory/Crystal Ball sessions music she had input and influence on If you listen a good number of songs from Sign o the Times was written with her and her voice is heard on the album as well as Rock Hard in A Funky Place(Black Album)  | |
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wow I wish y'all could leave it alone this was years ago.. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: PurpleLove7 said: Great thread. You know, I have that book and I've never read it. The title of the book is totally wrong, from my point of view. P hasn't fallen. He's still alive making and producing music.
It is disheartening that that emotional expression was put into something attainable like music and then "destroyed" or erased but that's out man, ain't it. He's been in love and been out of love but our man has grown up. Love is different when you grow up. Or perhaps I should say "mature". It's actually a good book Don't let the title get you I did when it first came out, and then by mistake read a piece without knowing it was the Rise and Fall of Prince And it turned out to be really good. The guy who wrote it is a fan. Prince did go thru a dark time...which some people actually don't come back from. Many famous musicians went thru similar times and lost their lives. But FALL doesn't mean END. And when I read the end, the book was shedding light on his (possible)RISE. I think the book went up to the year 1999 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic And for many people artistically Prince was on really shaky ground. In truth I did thumb thru it ...  Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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IAintTheOne said: wow I wish y'all could leave it alone this was years ago..
wow Just let people enjoy their experience Nobodies hurting Prince or demanding he go back and repent It's Prince history it is what it is | |
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