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Reply #60 posted 01/25/09 5:36pm

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SexGod said:

The AIDS line is a clever play on words. As in helping someone, providing aid to them. Its a good bit of lyric writing.


Totally agree, he just says there is no assistance in aids.. ie deadly aids does not help anyone.

I happen to like this song. He wrote it when Bush was in office and he specifically is unhappy with the political situation and unfairness of the system.

However I don't agree with not voting. It was voting that got us Obama / democrats in power and hopefully the US economy will change for the better. We did not really have the monetary resources for a war in Iraq and what is the use of helping others find freedom and democracy when it does not exist in your own country (re: Katrina 2005, I know just an example).
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Reply #61 posted 01/25/09 8:40pm

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errant said:

syble said:




what? Prince should change his viewpoint and vote for a guy cos he's black????

just cos obama appears similar to prince - it dont make him the same or even about what Prince has been singing about. Obama is a politcal animal, far removed from what Prince is. Prince's lyrics have for the most part been aganist 'the man' - against the institution. To say Dear Mr Man is the the stupidest song ever is a real reflection on your own experience. dear mr man is a complex song referring to politics that still in some way occur. I suggest you think on each lyric and investigate its history before you take for granted the right of any individual to stand at the front of the bus!


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I'm talking about ideas, not the color of their skin, [Flame snipped - Mars23].


Same thing I was thinkin cause nothin was said bout skin colour confused
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Reply #62 posted 01/25/09 9:19pm

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Ok, while I understand his religious beLIEfs "prevent" him from voting, does that mean he had to write a song stating there "ain't no use in voting"? Millions of freedom fighters, their children and their children's children would disagree. Present company included.

Secondly, he states that "maybe WE should write a letter". A letter? Really Prince? A letter. And when did he start speaking French? But I digress.

Exactly what would this letter say? Would "we" be using harsh language to get some "assistancy in AIDS"? (which MANY orginizations tirelessly provide for millions living with the disease).

Overall, the fact that the second line in the song contains the words "don't understand", speaks louder more than the song itself.


Ultimately he's saying it doesn't necessarily matter who you vote in, you generally get the same outcome....

'Maybe we should write a letter'...if enough people do this, maybe politicians will be more aware of the nations worries and of what the people want/need?

As for speaking French...have you seen UTCM? 'Garcon! Avez-vous un crayon?' That's French, you understand... biggrin

the lyric 'we don't understand...' is part of 'we don't understand WHY poor people keep struggling, but u don't lend a helping hand'

the play on words 'ain't no fair in welFARE' and 'no assistance in AIDS' is about the ironic use of those terms, it doesn't mean anything about assisting the funding of AIDS research and suchlike or the fairness of the social security system (see reply #51)

the only thing wrong with this song is 'we want 2 end this letter with 3 words:
We tired o'y'all'...It's actually six words...'We are tired of you all'. (I'm being pedantic here 'K?
This is what it's like in the dream factory...
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Reply #63 posted 01/25/09 11:14pm

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smiler69 said:

GNS said:

Ok, while I understand his religious beLIEfs "prevent" him from voting, does that mean he had to write a song stating there "ain't no use in voting"? Millions of freedom fighters, their children and their children's children would disagree. Present company included.

Secondly, he states that "maybe WE should write a letter". A letter? Really Prince? A letter. And when did he start speaking French? But I digress.

Exactly what would this letter say? Would "we" be using harsh language to get some "assistancy in AIDS"? (which MANY orginizations tirelessly provide for millions living with the disease).

Overall, the fact that the second line in the song contains the words "don't understand", speaks louder more than the song itself.


Ultimately he's saying it doesn't necessarily matter who you vote in, you generally get the same outcome....

'Maybe we should write a letter'...if enough people do this, maybe politicians will be more aware of the nations worries and of what the people want/need?

As for speaking French...have you seen UTCM? 'Garcon! Avez-vous un crayon?' That's French, you understand... biggrin

the lyric 'we don't understand...' is part of 'we don't understand WHY poor people keep struggling, but u don't lend a helping hand'

the play on words 'ain't no fair in welFARE' and 'no assistance in AIDS' is about the ironic use of those terms, it doesn't mean anything about assisting the funding of AIDS research and suchlike or the fairness of the social security system (see reply #51)

the only thing wrong with this song is 'we want 2 end this letter with 3 words:
We tired o'y'all'...It's actually six words...'We are tired of you all'. (I'm being pedantic here 'K?


I agree with most everything said here. I never felt "Dear Mr. Man" was as backwards thinking as everyone makes it out to be. Suggesting, "maybe we should write a letter" shouldn't be taken as if he believes that's a true solution. It expresses how utterly hopeless the situation is. Writing a letter is like throwing a hail mary in the final seconds of a football game because nothing else has worked.

As far as the "we tired 'o ya'll" line, that was obviously intentional. I think he was being faecetious by speaking in the language of the downtrotten; The way many people would speak that line, it sounds like three words to the ear, not four.

Oh yeah, the groove is smooth and funky too, a great song imo.
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Reply #64 posted 01/26/09 12:06am

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I think my I.Q. dropped 10 points reading this thread.

JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!!
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Reply #65 posted 01/26/09 1:48am

crazeh

prince's religious views prevent him from voting?

daym prince what is this lol
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Reply #66 posted 01/26/09 1:59am

iloveannie

Surely with the vote thing he's just stating that when forced to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea does it really matter as you're fucked either way?

It's been one of my sentiments since I gained my right to vote.

We've had many governing parties in Britain and too be honest the whole thing just keeps going around and around. It'll never change if it's allowed to continue. One party is no better than another. They're just a different group of people standing under a different colour, that's all.

So people fought for this right I have. Great, we have a democratic vote but unfortunately no democratic rule.

And as for AIDS in the first world? Well, bar the unfortunates (and my heart does go out to them), we have the opportunity to get tested or either keep our cock in our trousers and our legs shut or use a clean needle. You can't be arsed with that? Well then spin the wheel my friend.
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Reply #67 posted 01/26/09 3:10am

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Hi Dig Deep Into Your Soul,And If You Are Really A Prince Fam,You Would Understand This Song Completely If You Keep Up With The World And Things,Prince Has Grown And Yet Some Of Us Have Not.His Music Is In All Different Directions And We Should Be Humble And Be Blessed To Have His Music,Who Would Of Thought So Much Talent Would Exist In One Man,Who Is Forever Taking Music In Every Direction,Personally Mr. Man Is On Of My Favorite Songs,I Listen To Daily,The Undertaker Is My Number One Song,With Prince's Diversity,His Music Will Never Get Old And He Will Always Sell Records,Because He Understand The Real Meaning Of What A Musician Is Supposed To Do,Cover All Generes,Which Is Why He Keeps One Always Coming Back For More,Last Note"Remember All The Critics In New York"?,They Love Him Now,Peace And Love And We Are Here To Enjoy And Not Be So Critical Or Opioniated,Even Though We Are Entitled To Our Own Beliefs,It Would Be Nice To Hear Nice Postings About Prince,We Have Enough Negativity In This World."Peace & Love" Is What The New Power Is All About! O+>
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Reply #68 posted 01/26/09 3:21am

iloveannie

Well that last post was easy on the eye wasn't it. hmph!
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Reply #69 posted 01/26/09 7:16am

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Reply #70 posted 01/26/09 7:25am

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h0uSeQuAkE said:

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I'm not.
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Reply #71 posted 01/26/09 8:11am

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GNS said:

JayJai said:



Wat I mean is in 2004, Bush was there. War and all types of fuckery. Prince wrote this song around that time.
People re-elected Bush ("wtf?! confused disbelief" was my reaction). Plus the system itself has been corrupted for yrs and yrs upon yrs, so that's why I agree and understand most of the lyrics.

Despite disagreein wit some of the lyrics, this isn't the stupidest song and it's not much of a stupid song anyway. Do u disagree with everything said in the song?
[Edited 1/25/09 9:57am]
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Yeah, Bush was in the house (AND got re-elected, WTF indeed), but all the more reason to become active and do something to prevent further corruption. And let's face it, recording this song was no more than half a drop in the bucket. If that.

As far as the song being "stupid", yer right, bad choice of word. Defeatist, ignorant,uninformed or misguided would all have been better options. wink

And lastly, I've gotta point out that folks have only replied to this thread with regards to the voting issue. The AIDS lyric is pointless and untrue, the letter part is laughable at best and the "3 words; we tired o' y'all" ending is just flat out trifiling. So yeah, I disagree with everything said in the song.

The only redeeming quality is the music. I like the groove.

You are right that there is assistance when it comes to issues such as AIDS, but lets be real here, the government could be doing so much more than they are doing. With where our economy is now, God only knows how the government will be able to help with services like the ones where AIDS research and assistance are concerned because of lack of money we have, thanks in part to George W. Bush.

Speaking of "Dubya", when it comes down to the whole "these 3 words" thing, remember, George W.Bush was notorious for destroying the english language. Just 2 weeks ago he said the word "misunderestimate" at a press conference in the White House. eek I think it was Prince just mocking GWB. Something that wasn't and still isn't hard to do 4 years later. lol
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Reply #72 posted 01/26/09 8:49am

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JayJai said:

I just read the lyrics and disagree with it being his stupidest song. I agree and understand most of wat he's saying. The system is very corrupt. Hopefully, President Obama can and will change some of that.

To quote Steve Harvey from last nights BET's Celebration of Gospel, "he is Barack, NOT THE ROCK".
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Reply #73 posted 01/26/09 6:23pm

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daPrettyman said:

JayJai said:

I just read the lyrics and disagree with it being his stupidest song. I agree and understand most of wat he's saying. The system is very corrupt. Hopefully, President Obama can and will change some of that.

To quote Steve Harvey from last nights BET's Celebration of Gospel, "he is Barack, NOT THE ROCK".


He keeps talkin bout change, which was why I said "hopefully". I'm not sayin he's "the Rock" rolleyes
Can anyone over-fuckup more than wat Bush has done anyway?
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #74 posted 01/26/09 7:29pm

smiler69

i sometimes wonder if my light-hearted yet pointed response above was even worth saying...people seem to love taking things literally with no real comprehension of what's being said
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Reply #75 posted 01/27/09 3:20am

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true.....stupid ass song
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Reply #76 posted 01/27/09 3:56am

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smiler69 said:

i sometimes wonder if my light-hearted yet pointed response above was even worth saying...people seem to love taking things literally with no real comprehension of what's being said


hmmm
Your post seems to be on point there smiler...or is it 69? which would u rather? lol
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #77 posted 01/27/09 8:01am

GNS

errant said:

NouveauDance said:


Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory.

Pick a team, but if you don't like the rules, the game will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics.

shrug


And yet a guy comes along representing the kind of change Prince has been singing about for decades and he doesn't even vote for him.

It's time for Prince to sit down and shut up about social and political issues if he can't even bothered to get his ass out and vote and do something about it. Because sitting around and pissing and moaning about it on pop records and making snarky, inaccurate comments about Abe Lincoln and equating his own plight as a millionaire fighting the good fight against his record label with slavery hasn't done anyone one god damn bit of good.

errant, I think I love you.
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Reply #78 posted 01/27/09 8:02am

GNS

viewaskew said:

Prince's political beliefs are just one of many ways to show how backward his religious views are. No one can deny that there are problems in the world & his stance is to what? Do nothing about them. Don't vote. Don't express an opinion. Write crappy music & threaten your few remaining fans with legal action. Yeah, that will go a long way toward making the world a better place.

True indeed.
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Reply #79 posted 01/27/09 8:05am

GNS

NouveauDance said:

viewaskew said:



There's very little honor in letting reality pass you by while you do nothing.

He wrote a song, expressing a point of view, which we are discussing 4 years later, that's not nothing. It's certainly more than mindlessly making ticking a box if you don't agree with the system that put the boxes there for you tick.

I'm not saying it's a revolution, it is just pop music, but it's not "nothing". shrug

No. It's nothing.

Just like the overall idea of the; why bother?
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Reply #80 posted 01/27/09 8:07am

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GetAwayFromMe said:

GNS said:


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falloff I soooo agree with you there!

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Reply #81 posted 01/27/09 8:17am

GNS

SexGod said:

The AIDS line is a clever play on words. As in helping someone, providing aid to them. Its a good bit of lyric writing.

Umm, I GET the intended pun, but for it to be "clever", it would have to be true on both sides of the entendre.

"In France a skinny man died of a big disease with a little name."

Now THAT'S clever. He was using vivid wordplay, and it was true in the sense that he was alluding to "Patient Zero", the flight attendant who was thought to have infected men in LA, SF and NYC. (That theory has since been debunked).
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Reply #82 posted 01/27/09 8:21am

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GNS said:

Ok, while I understand his religious beLIEfs "prevent" him from voting, does that mean he had to write a song stating there "ain't no use in voting"? Millions of freedom fighters, their children and their children's children would disagree. Present company included.

Secondly, he states that "maybe WE should write a letter". A letter? Really Prince? A letter. And when did he start speaking French? But I digress.

Exactly what would this letter say? Would "we" be using harsh language to get some "assistancy in AIDS"? (which MANY orginizations tirelessly provide for millions living with the disease).

Overall, the fact that the second line in the song contains the words "don't understand", speaks louder more than the song itself.


Don't understand the joke above (I put it in bold)

What do you mean ?
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Reply #83 posted 01/27/09 8:22am

GNS

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Reply #84 posted 01/27/09 8:23am

GNS

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GNS said:

Lovesymbol2 said:



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oooh i jus stopped readin this thread at this here in point!



[Flame snipped - Mars23] there's room for all on this board - youns and old, knowledgable an newbie - but tres no need for ill temper! or go get some in P & R - go jump in with the crocs dude!

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Reply #85 posted 01/27/09 8:25am

GNS

syble said:

errant said:



And yet a guy comes along representing the kind of change Prince has been singing about for decades and he doesn't even vote for him.



what? Prince should change his viewpoint and vote for a guy cos he's black????

just cos obama appears similar to prince - it dont make him the same or even about what Prince has been singing about. Obama is a politcal animal, far removed from what Prince is. Prince's lyrics have for the most part been aganist 'the man' - against the institution. To say Dear Mr Man is the the stupidest song ever is a real reflection on your own experience. dear mr man is a complex song referring to politics that still in some way occur. I suggest you think on each lyric and investigate its history before you take for granted the right of any individual to stand at the front of the bus!


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Reply #86 posted 01/27/09 8:28am

GNS

xpertluva said:

smiler69 said:



Ultimately he's saying it doesn't necessarily matter who you vote in, you generally get the same outcome....

'Maybe we should write a letter'...if enough people do this, maybe politicians will be more aware of the nations worries and of what the people want/need?

As for speaking French...have you seen UTCM? 'Garcon! Avez-vous un crayon?' That's French, you understand... biggrin

the lyric 'we don't understand...' is part of 'we don't understand WHY poor people keep struggling, but u don't lend a helping hand'

the play on words 'ain't no fair in welFARE' and 'no assistance in AIDS' is about the ironic use of those terms, it doesn't mean anything about assisting the funding of AIDS research and suchlike or the fairness of the social security system (see reply #51)

the only thing wrong with this song is 'we want 2 end this letter with 3 words:
We tired o'y'all'...It's actually six words...'We are tired of you all'. (I'm being pedantic here 'K?


I agree with most everything said here. I never felt "Dear Mr. Man" was as backwards thinking as everyone makes it out to be. Suggesting, "maybe we should write a letter" shouldn't be taken as if he believes that's a true solution. It expresses how utterly hopeless the situation is. Writing a letter is like throwing a hail mary in the final seconds of a football game because nothing else has worked.

As far as the "we tired 'o ya'll" line, that was obviously intentional. I think he was being faecetious by speaking in the language of the downtrotten; The way many people would speak that line, it sounds like three words to the ear, not four.

Oh yeah, the groove is smooth and funky too, a great song imo.

If I gave up everytime I thought things were hopeless, I'd be dead.
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Reply #87 posted 01/27/09 8:31am

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iloveannie said:

Surely with the vote thing he's just stating that when forced to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea does it really matter as you're fucked either way?

It's been one of my sentiments since I gained my right to vote.

We've had many governing parties in Britain and too be honest the whole thing just keeps going around and around. It'll never change if it's allowed to continue. One party is no better than another. They're just a different group of people standing under a different colour, that's all.

So people fought for this right I have. Great, we have a democratic vote but unfortunately no democratic rule.

And as for AIDS in the first world? Well, bar the unfortunates (and my heart does go out to them), we have the opportunity to get tested or either keep our cock in our trousers and our legs shut or use a clean needle. You can't be arsed with that? Well then spin the wheel my friend.

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Reply #88 posted 01/27/09 8:34am

GNS

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GNS said:



Yeah, Bush was in the house (AND got re-elected, WTF indeed), but all the more reason to become active and do something to prevent further corruption. And let's face it, recording this song was no more than half a drop in the bucket. If that.

As far as the song being "stupid", yer right, bad choice of word. Defeatist, ignorant,uninformed or misguided would all have been better options. wink

And lastly, I've gotta point out that folks have only replied to this thread with regards to the voting issue. The AIDS lyric is pointless and untrue, the letter part is laughable at best and the "3 words; we tired o' y'all" ending is just flat out trifiling. So yeah, I disagree with everything said in the song.

The only redeeming quality is the music. I like the groove.

You are right that there is assistance when it comes to issues such as AIDS, but lets be real here, the government could be doing so much more than they are doing. With where our economy is now, God only knows how the government will be able to help with services like the ones where AIDS research and assistance are concerned because of lack of money we have, thanks in part to George W. Bush.

Speaking of "Dubya", when it comes down to the whole "these 3 words" thing, remember, George W.Bush was notorious for destroying the english language. Just 2 weeks ago he said the word "misunderestimate" at a press conference in the White House. eek I think it was Prince just mocking GWB. Something that wasn't and still isn't hard to do 4 years later. lol
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I never even considered him mocking number 43. If that IS the case, BRILLIANT!!!
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Reply #89 posted 01/27/09 8:57am

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I think people r taking the lyrics entirely too literally.


I think he uses an image of a letter for the exact reason that it is so understated in relation to the offenses being committed. And while "no assistance in AIDS" may not be true, the idea he is trying to get across is that with as much $ as the Gov't AND Private industries spend on other issues, couldn't more & b spent on AIDS research. Don't look at the lyrics so literally. It's a symbolic song based on symbols and not actuality.


It';s reflected in the title as well. Seriously with all the issues mentioned and the title is "Dear Mr Man" instead of "WTF IS GOING ON U IDIOTS IN GOVERNMENT!!!!"


The amount of anger is reflected by the amount of reserve it took to hold the gut feeling back.




at least that's what I get out of it.
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