lezama said: GNS said: Ok, while I understand his religious beLIEfs "prevent" him from voting, does that mean he had to write a song stating there "ain't no use in voting"? Millions of freedom fighters, their children and their children's children would disagree. Present company included.
Secondly, he states that "maybe WE should write a letter". A letter? Really Prince? A letter. And when did he start speaking French? But I digress. Exactly what would this letter say? Would "we" be using harsh language to get some "assistancy in AIDS"? (which MANY orginizations tirelessly provide for millions living with the disease). Overall, the fact that the second line in the song contains the words "don't understand", speaks louder more than the song itself. You not agreeing with something doesn't make it stupid. It just makes it stupid to you. That's why I, ME, GNS started this thread. Besides, I already addressed using the word stupid. | |
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PurpleKnight said: The problem with Dear Mr. Man is that it mostly says nothing new.
He throws out trite complaints about welfare being unfair and the US starting a lot of wars without delving into any potential causes or solutions, or even exploring these issues from a fresh perspective. Sentiments like these have been repeated ad nauseum for years and years. Whereas SOTT used wordplay and addressed the baffling paradoxes of society, Dear Mr. Man is as straightforward a ballad as they come in plainly stating the most general concerns we have. That alone would have been harmless enough, but his political naivety further hurts the song. Only a preteen should be foolish enough to ever write that voting is useless. [Edited 1/25/09 10:57am] Word. SOTT, written and released when he was fourteen or so years younger no less, was brilliant in it's wordplay, and also in the fact he didn't sound like a grumpy old man who already wrote this song. Fourteen years ago!!! SOTT = the world sucks, and like you, I don't what the solution is. DMM = the world still sucks, but I've got a solution this time. Give up or write a letter. | |
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It's not What's Goin On, let's just say that and move on. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: It's not What's Goin On, let's just say that and move on.
Buh-bye. | |
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GNS said: laurarichardson said: ----- At the time when he wrote it he was just as pissed about the war and Bush being re-elected. I do not agree that voting is a waste of time but when you see the system tampered with it can be very discouraging and I think that was the only thing P was saying. You need to put the song in the context of the time it was written. Umm, the first sentence in the post you quoted acknowledges the time frame. And yes, things were (and still are) truly fucked. However, is that cause for him squander a right many people fought (and died) for, while almost ENCOURIGING others to the same? If he wants to give up, let him. But that is one boat I will not get on. ----- He is not squandering anyone's right but his own which he is free to do. In addtion, I never took the song to be P trying to encourage other people not to vote. Not really sure why you are reading that much into it. I actually know a lot of people who like the song and they are not big P fans. Most people just relate to the frustration that is expressed in the song. | |
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errant said: I think his statement that he doesn't vote completely invalidates any political statement/message he has or ever will make.
Because voting is you getting your say in a very real, and if you don't, then any complaining about the way things are is just that: complaining. It means you're just interested in complaining for the sake of complaining and don't actually care how things turn out or aren't interested in doing anything about it. Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory. Pick a team, but if you don't like the game, the rules will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics. . [Edited 1/25/09 11:51am] | |
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NouveauDance said: errant said: I think his statement that he doesn't vote completely invalidates any political statement/message he has or ever will make.
Because voting is you getting your say in a very real, and if you don't, then any complaining about the way things are is just that: complaining. It means you're just interested in complaining for the sake of complaining and don't actually care how things turn out or aren't interested in doing anything about it. Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory. Pick a team, but if you don't like the rules, the game will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics. And yet a guy comes along representing the kind of change Prince has been singing about for decades and he doesn't even vote for him. It's time for Prince to sit down and shut up about social and political issues if he can't even bothered to get his ass out and vote and do something about it. Because sitting around and pissing and moaning about it on pop records and making snarky, inaccurate comments about Abe Lincoln and equating his own plight as a millionaire fighting the good fight against his record label with slavery hasn't done anyone one god damn bit of good. | |
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NouveauDance said: errant said: I think his statement that he doesn't vote completely invalidates any political statement/message he has or ever will make.
Because voting is you getting your say in a very real, and if you don't, then any complaining about the way things are is just that: complaining. It means you're just interested in complaining for the sake of complaining and don't actually care how things turn out or aren't interested in doing anything about it. Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory. Pick a team, but if you don't like the game, the rules will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics. . [Edited 1/25/09 11:51am] I agree. It's the political version of "conscientious objection" in the military. Honorable, IMO. | |
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JDODSONandFlashpointe said: Honorable, IMO.
I concur. | |
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Prince's political beliefs are just one of many ways to show how backward his religious views are. No one can deny that there are problems in the world & his stance is to what? Do nothing about them. Don't vote. Don't express an opinion. Write crappy music & threaten your few remaining fans with legal action. Yeah, that will go a long way toward making the world a better place. | |
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JDODSONandFlashpointe said: NouveauDance said: Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory. Pick a team, but if you don't like the game, the rules will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics. . [Edited 1/25/09 11:51am] I agree. It's the political version of "conscientious objection" in the military. Honorable, IMO. There's very little honor in letting reality pass you by while you do nothing. | |
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JayJai said: GNS said: Obama didn't get elected by writing a letter? Wat I mean is in 2004, Bush was there. War and all types of fuckery. Prince wrote this song around that time. People re-elected Bush ("wtf?! " was my reaction). Plus the system itself has been corrupted for yrs and yrs upon yrs, so that's why I agree and understand most of the lyrics. Despite disagreein wit some of the lyrics, this isn't the stupidest song and it's not much of a stupid song anyway. Do u disagree with everything said in the song? [Edited 1/25/09 9:57am] [Edited 1/25/09 9:58am] the electoral college elected bush again. there is no real porpoise to voting nationally. cheers! s=v=n s+v~n(sq2) 7. | |
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laurarichardson said: GNS said: Umm, the first sentence in the post you quoted acknowledges the time frame. And yes, things were (and still are) truly fucked. However, is that cause for him squander a right many people fought (and died) for, while almost ENCOURIGING others to the same? If he wants to give up, let him. But that is one boat I will not get on. ----- He is not squandering anyone's right but his own which he is free to do. In addtion, I never took the song to be P trying to encourage other people not to vote. Not really sure why you are reading that much into it. I actually know a lot of people who like the song and they are not big P fans. Most people just relate to the frustration that is expressed in the song. though music is created as a form of entertainment. originally music was created to connect with GOD. cheers! s=v=n s+v~n(sq2) 7. | |
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viewaskew said: Prince's political beliefs are just one of many ways to show how backward his religious views are. No one can deny that there are problems in the world & his stance is to what? Do nothing about them. Don't vote. Don't express an opinion. Write crappy music & threaten your few remaining fans with legal action. Yeah, that will go a long way toward making the world a better place.
a person who can think in musical patterns and is a genius at music doesnt make him qualified on expressing decisive and significant thoughts about government policy. cheers! s=v=n s+v~n(sq2) 7. | |
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viewaskew said: JDODSONandFlashpointe said: I agree. It's the political version of "conscientious objection" in the military. Honorable, IMO. There's very little honor in letting reality pass you by while you do nothing. He wrote a song, expressing a point of view, which we are discussing 4 years later, that's not nothing. It's certainly more than mindlessly making ticking a box if you don't agree with the system that put the boxes there for you tick. I'm not saying it's a revolution, it is just pop music, but it's not "nothing". | |
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I feel the same way about this song as I do about all of his songs that express a stupidly naive worldview --> We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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NouveauDance said: viewaskew said: There's very little honor in letting reality pass you by while you do nothing. He wrote a song, expressing a point of view, which we are discussing 4 years later, that's not nothing. It's certainly more than mindlessly making ticking a box if you don't agree with the system that put the boxes there for you tick. I'm not saying it's a revolution, it is just pop music, but it's not "nothing". Pop music that matters used to make a difference. His is just forced apathy. And voting is hardly a mindless process if you educate yourself. And if you disagree with something, it's the only way to change it. | |
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viewaskew said: And voting is hardly a mindless process if you educate yourself. And if you disagree with something, it's the only way to change it.
You understand of course, I'm playing devil's advocate. But if Prince is expressing the opinion that all those you are able to vote for are 'two sides of the same coin', how can you change anything by partaking in the voting system, other than to spoil your ballot paper? | |
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GNS said: PurpleKnight said: The problem with Dear Mr. Man is that it mostly says nothing new.
He throws out trite complaints about welfare being unfair and the US starting a lot of wars without delving into any potential causes or solutions, or even exploring these issues from a fresh perspective. Sentiments like these have been repeated ad nauseum for years and years. Whereas SOTT used wordplay and addressed the baffling paradoxes of society, Dear Mr. Man is as straightforward a ballad as they come in plainly stating the most general concerns we have. That alone would have been harmless enough, but his political naivety further hurts the song. Only a preteen should be foolish enough to ever write that voting is useless. [Edited 1/25/09 10:57am] Word. SOTT, written and released when he was fourteen or so years younger no less, was brilliant in it's wordplay, and also in the fact he didn't sound like a grumpy old man who already wrote this song. Fourteen years ago!!! SOTT = the world sucks, and like you, I don't what the solution is. DMM = the world still sucks, but I've got a solution this time. Give up or write a letter. Interesting analysis of the two songs. You're probably right. | |
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GNS said: Ok, while I understand his religious beLIEfs "prevent" him from voting, does that mean he had to write a song stating there "ain't no use in voting"? Millions of freedom fighters, their children and their children's children would disagree. Present company included.
Secondly, he states that "maybe WE should write a letter". A letter? Really Prince? A letter. And when did he start speaking French? But I digress. Exactly what would this letter say? Would "we" be using harsh language to get some "assistancy in AIDS"? (which MANY orginizations tirelessly provide for millions living with the disease). Overall, the fact that the second line in the song contains the words "don't understand", speaks louder more than the song itself. musically, it's one of his stronger works this decade, but I don't like the lyrics either. | |
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GNS said: Lovesymbol2 said: [Flame snipped - Mars23] *meant in the nicest way possible* [Flame snipped - Mars23] I soooo agree with you there! | |
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The AIDS line is a clever play on words. As in helping someone, providing aid to them. Its a good bit of lyric writing. | |
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GNS said:[quote] Lovesymbol2 said: [Flame snipped - Mars23] oooh i jus stopped readin this thread at this here in point! [Flame snipped - Mars23] there's room for all on this board - youns and old, knowledgable an newbie - but tres no need for ill temper! or go get some in P & R - go jump in with the crocs dude! [Flame snipped - Mars23] walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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errant said: NouveauDance said: Not at all. By abstaining altogether, one is making the point that they consider the entire system itself to be unsatisfactory. Pick a team, but if you don't like the rules, the game will never change. That's been Prince's outlook on a lot of recent political lyrics. And yet a guy comes along representing the kind of change Prince has been singing about for decades and he doesn't even vote for him. what? Prince should change his viewpoint and vote for a guy cos he's black???? just cos obama appears similar to prince - it dont make him the same or even about what Prince has been singing about. Obama is a politcal animal, far removed from what Prince is. Prince's lyrics have for the most part been aganist 'the man' - against the institution. To say Dear Mr Man is the the stupidest song ever is a real reflection on your own experience. dear mr man is a complex song referring to politics that still in some way occur. I suggest you think on each lyric and investigate its history before you take for granted the right of any individual to stand at the front of the bus! [Flame snipped - Mars23] walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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I really like it musically | |
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garganta said: I really like it musically
LOL walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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JayJai said: GNS said: Obama didn't get elected by writing a letter? Wat I mean is in 2004, Bush was there. War and all types of fuckery. Prince wrote this song around that time. People re-elected Bush ("wtf?! " was my reaction). Plus the system itself has been corrupted for yrs and yrs upon yrs, so that's why I agree and understand most of the lyrics. Despite disagreein wit some of the lyrics, this isn't the stupidest song and it's not much of a stupid song anyway. Do u disagree with everything said in the song? I here u "They" might have stoled both elections 2000 & 2004...Hence "Ain't no use in Voting" During that time | |
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syble said: errant said: And yet a guy comes along representing the kind of change Prince has been singing about for decades and he doesn't even vote for him. what? Prince should change his viewpoint and vote for a guy cos he's black???? just cos obama appears similar to prince - it dont make him the same or even about what Prince has been singing about. Obama is a politcal animal, far removed from what Prince is. Prince's lyrics have for the most part been aganist 'the man' - against the institution. To say Dear Mr Man is the the stupidest song ever is a real reflection on your own experience. dear mr man is a complex song referring to politics that still in some way occur. I suggest you think on each lyric and investigate its history before you take for granted the right of any individual to stand at the front of the bus! [Flame snipped - Mars23] I'm talking about ideas, not the color of their skin[Flame snipped - Mars23] | |
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