Dewrede said:

I write software for a living. It's pretty much exactly the same. Do you have any idea how much work goes into creating software?
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purplecam said:

I hope not either, Cam. Part of the joy of being a Prince fan used to be getting the physical copy of CD in hand and listening all the way through on some kickass headphones.

TheEnglishGent said:

If it's leaked and I don't like it, I won't pay for it. I'm sorry but I do not care who the artist is. I do not waste my money on anyone.

purplecam said:

Yeah but Cam, that makes pretty much all Prince fans thieves for downloading the guy's music without paying for it.

alandail said:

I can.
Your context is focussed on payware.
I take other peoples work (software but also music) on an almost daily basis without paying (much!) and it is indeed easy to do.
Use Linux on a PC. On my Fedora box I do a `yum update` and plenty of free (as in beer, speech) updates could be installed. I turn on one of the listener supplied internet radio stations or podcasts with podfree music and voila!
I do donate every now and then but this cannot be compared to buying content.

You are too much stuck in the old system where 'they' want you to be.

I hope so. Just to piss Prince & his zealots off.

I hope it leaks like Niagara Falls.

viewaskew said:

I like you.

drcoldchoke said:

I don't know how much courage it takes to push some keys & download music but if it does then I'm one pretty fuckin' courageous guy.

I know someone who has about 1 Terabyte of pirated music -- stuff he's collected from just about every source he could (most of which were ripped from CDs and NOT downloaded from P2P sites). Everyone is amazed at his collection, but I am not.

Personally, I can't enjoy having something in my collection if I didn't pay for it. I do sometimes give myself a "grace period", where I'll listen to a copy for a week or so. If I like it, I buy it -- if not, I delete the copies. I'm not about stealing music.

I have the preliminary tracks from Prince's new projects, but they'll be deleted when I have the CDs in my possession...

I surely hope he puts samples of both albums up. Cause if the entire MPLS disk is like what i've heard so far, i won't be purchasing it.


However, lookin forward to the other one.. lotusflower

udo said:

There is a HUGE ethical difference between someone willingly giving away their work vs someone asking to be paid for their work and your then taking it without paying them.

The first is accepting a gift (where the gift giver may be getting paid in other ways - for instance, manufacturers of "free" browsers get paid from add click revenue), the second is stealing.

Your model is like saying you have the right to sneak into movie theaters because somewhat similar entertainment is free on TV.
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Se7en said:

well...that's just like stealing U're not taking any risk on if the product is good or not. U're utilizing a "free trial period" when none was offered.


Just cuz U stole it, then gave it back(or got rid of it), doesn't mean U never stole it.
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...i'm sure prince was very careful with his albums..since he is not going with the record-deal situation...therego if there WERE a so said leak...it would be monitored...every action has a reaction...the test is the reaction!...mzsexybaby

If it leaks Im making a blogspot "Getyourlotusflowerhere.blogspot.com

and if they try to tear that down then I will just put it on geocities.

alandail said:

You are only now implying that statement to the question you posed.
I am not stealing at all in the circumstances I described.


Gift or not, it is free in the cases I described.
In other cases the line is perhaps thin.
E.g. When my browser can get to the files (offered by the author) with standard protocols, why am I stealing when I download these files manually?
In the case of (c) material via peer to peer: in the Netherlands we pay a levy/tax on empty recordable media (audio cassette, minidisk, cd-r, dvd-r, etc) to compensate the authors of (c) material.
So how can we be guulty for downloading whatever when we pay for the material via the tax?
Apart from this there is fair use, like recording a radio broadcast for private use. I can sample content via the web and learn about new releases, artists so I can buy that stuff.


You are implying WAY too much from my simple explanation.
Entertainment isn't free on TV, we PAY for that stuff (on public channels) or we are bombarded with commercials.
(one of the reasons I don't watch that much TV anymore)

Trickology said:

You could just seed a torrent via a hard to trace IP. (wifi on airport, hotel...) Once the torrent is seeded well enough it will keep itself alive.

Of course you cannot seed (c) material so even thinking about this is VERBOTEN!

I just read this comment:

"have you heard the new Prince album LotusFlow3r yet?
it fucking RAWKS!!!the mp3’s of the whole album were all over fileshare last night but as of this morning it looks like someone caught on and had them removed!regardless it kicks ass.glad i saved it"

here: http://musicgoss.com/?p=803#comments

Is it true?

Nightcrawler said:

if anything they could be regarding the tracks from the radio show. This has not leaked.

Nightcrawler said:

No it's not true.

I can only say this...if there is an official release of all 3 albums, I will buy 2 copies of each (one to play and the other for display).However,
I would be lying if I were to say that I would not download his music if his music was only released through other avenues. For myself, it doesn't matter how much copies I have of the boots,I'll gladly pay double if it was released officially.

I've always said that Prince would be the highest paid musician of all time if he would just sell only half of the stuff that he has in the vault. I don't buy all that, "it's too personal or unusuall" nonsense he's been talking about when people have asked him about releasing the music, concerts and videos out of his vault.The official stuff he released is as personal and unusual as you can get!

Dr Funk alwayz leak

BorisFishpaw said:

.....from what i know from inside sources > No it's not TRUE!

love2thenines2003 said:

yeah yeah yeah.

Sdldawn said:

Yeah Yeah Yeah is a good song u know!

BobGeorge909 said:

I disagree, but that's me. Buying music should not be about "taking risks", it's about enjoying what's on the album and also supporting the artist. Sometimes people recommend obscure artists that I've never heard of, and I listen to see if I like them or not.

So if I listen to a friend's CD that's stealing? By your logic any advance listening before you buy it is stealing.

It's a moot point lately anyway, because any artist who is current with technology will post preview tracks on MySpace, etc. to preview.

alandail said:

I think video games are priced fairly at around $50 each. They could be slightly less, but that's not a bad price for what you get.

But there's no way that stuff like Adobe Creative Suite and Maya are worth anywhere around $1000 each. Not even close.

Se7en said:

A game can sell millions though, so doesn't have to be sold as highly. Something like Maya won't sell anything like a decent game. Not even close. If it's too expensive for you, then use one of the open source free 3d packages.

PurpleLove7 said:

Very Interesting!

TheEnglishGent said:

It's way to expensive for me, yes. But you missed my point: software is way too expensive, which is why it's pirated as much as it is. If they lowered prices, they'd sell more copies . . .

...i have learned 2 detest the boot-leg..it just isn't worth the middle-man!...i would neva-knock-nobody's hustle...but these days ain't like long ago..the best way is 2 wait-n-see...
...mzsexybaby