Finding Tony M ruined his music.

...as prince has LEARNED alot through-out his magnificient career..2 those that understand his purpose,he will bring imense warmth and happiness..in God we trust..it says so on MY money!....mzsexybaby"$"

TheEnglishGent said:

How could I forget those guys?

genuineParticle said:

Well, if he hasn't, then can he please, please, please stop singing about Jesus, God, Bible verses and go back to singing about the concept of God as love, how to make one's life better by making a hot ass woman feel good, ways in which you should best please your lady, and stories of ladies who are having fun pleasing themselves.

That would be nice.

"Hi-yo silver, it's the bone ranger! I'll freak you to the marrow with a little something that I call the wheelbarrow!

Plug it in if you dare, this motherfucker's so fast it eats underwear, so there...my little sweet sugar bear!

18 & Over...I wantsta bone ya!"


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Yes. He's had to overthink shit too much instead of letting it flow. He's breaking all kinds of rules anyway so I don't know why he would enslave his music the way he has

it seems 2 have surpressed his inner beast, but maybe it's a sexual thing like a bondage game?!..

lottielooloo1968 said:

It's horrible cuz nobody's excited

bleutuna said:

You picked a bad song as an example, but otherwise I agree completely.

He still makes good music but JW is a destructive cult. They said Jesus would return in 1914, when he didn't they covered it up by saying he returned spiritually. When someone leaves the organization members don't even say hi on the street. That's disturbed.

peter430044 said:

It's some serious brainwashing

For me, it's as simple as he used to be inclusive, now he's exclusive. He brought a lot of us together now I feel he's dividing us. When he was Lovesexy Prince, God loved us all. Now that he is JW, God only loves some. That's unfortunate.

Vendetta1 said:

End of story

remko said:

Well it seems he "fell" (again) in the 90's. You can hear it all over his albums. You get the sense that that was psychologically a rough period for him.

iloveannie said:

I still challenge anyone who's seem perform since becoming a JW that he's lost his sense of humour. Its just not true.

lezama said:

Yes. If he can't curse for humor, he's lost it

lezama said:

Yep, he was pretty funny at a few of the 21 nights aftershows.

Vendetta1 said:

Nice.

As a divisive american president leaves, and the world seems ready to move forward again, he is moving backwards. That is how out of touch he seems to me now.
Aside from all that, if the music is good and his beliefs sincere and honest, what else can i ask from a musician. I dont have to agree with everything he says to apreciate good music.

violetblues said:

I agree with this.

I used to think I "knew" him and he "knew" me. I feel worlds apart. Where I could listen to whole albums, I have to now find a gem or two on each one. Like someone else said, I can go back to listen to the free Prince. i will always appreciate him for that music.

So are we saying then that if anything his choice of religion has enslaved him? All that time fighting against one set of rules only to walk into another.

Some nice points about not being excited anymore, feeling distant from him and his music, dividing people and an all-loving God.

I was listening to Lady Cab Driver just now as I drove back from town and I couldn't help but think that there is nothing he has done in years that has made me feel like I do when listening to 'those' songs. I'm still a fan, I still enjoy listening to his new material and, more than anything, I would love to see him in concert again, but, and it's a big'un, he has just lost that gift that shone so brightly in his earlier days.

The excitement, imagination and passion. Where are they?

iloveannie said:

I think this is an excellent post.

Dayclear said:

iloveannie said:

You said it way better than I ever could

PurpleKnight said:

18 & Over is a great song. Fun, silly, musically interesting, and catchy as hell. Everyone I've played it for loves it and remembers it.

That's what I don't think a lot of people around here get. And i'd look at you specifically, PK, as in another thread you wrote that Prince can't write catchy hooks anymore.

Part of the problem comes from what the public actually gets to hear - what's pushed and what's not.

If Prince had pushed 'Billy Jack Bitch,' people would have caught on. If he'd have pushed something like '18 & Over,' people would have paid attention.

Most of the songs people who aren't Prince fans love have nothing to do with the nuances of his sound, his hoity lyrics or him being sonically creative. The masses don't really care about that stuff, and that's fun.

When I have friends who've heard '18 & Over' once sing it to me or bring it up, then I know that's a memorable song. Same with 'Billy Jack Bitch' and a few others. Prince doesn't release the right singles, and that's sort of a been a problem for him. Sometimes he gets it right ('Cream'), but then, again, that shows that Org folks don't necessarily like what the masses do.

Anyway...bah.
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I don't think it has ruined his music rather than it has clogged his creativity. Prince was last in the mainstream with quality music in the 90's. Since dying to himself and being reborn into this JW organization (cult), he seems to have lost touch with his fans and good music. He no longer sings certain songs, yet he still reaps the money from the sale of the old music to new and old listeners. (Quite a contradiction). You don't sing it but you sell it. Humm... No different than a good quality drug dealer who doesn't use his product. However, the music has certainly been hurt. Could Prince do a concert with simply new material? No; and though he said during his Xenophobia tour that he would not sing the oldies anymore, he can't let them go. Why, because this new material for the most part sucks, and is absent of substance and quality which Prince had prior to hooking up with Larry Graham Cracker.

bohurdle said:

Sorry but thats BS. He has tons of great recent songs that the mass public has never and will probably never hear. He plays the old hits because, like for most all the big pop stars of his generation, the majority of the audiences tolerate the new music but mainly sit waiting for these people to sing the songs they grew up listening to that they know all the words to etc. Musicians and bands who remain outside of the major limelight can go their careers playing new material because the audience is there for the music not the "star"... when Prince was outside of the mainstream he did that and the people who came to his concerts where his die-hards. Now that he's 'back in the mainstream' (so to speak) he knows he has to play to to those that are there only for the celebrity and the known recognizable hits, not for the musician and his latest musical numbers.

This is one of the dumbest conversations I've ever read on the org!!!

That's saying a whole lot!!!

It hasn't ruined his music. I will say that it has made him more restrictive as to what he'll say on his songs and I won't lie, I miss Prince being completely free in his music but it is what it is and I can't change that. The songs are still funky to me, the shows are still out of this world and I'm still enjoying his work. So while I would love for Prince to be how he was, I've accepted where he is today and I'm having fun in spite of him being a JW.
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Yes. The best art is subversive, not conforming. It is expansive, not limiting.
He's going in the wrong direction. Instead of presenting spirituality as poetry, as he did in the past, he's presenting it as dogma.
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mzkqueen03 said:

You have a very unique personality.

I'll add a new question to this, though I don't know if people will see it on the third page:

Do you think Prince will REMAIN a JW? Or do you think his interest in it's wearing thin?

I ask that because of a few things:

1) The religious songs are coming with less intensity

2) He's finding new ways around not being able to sing about the things he wants. He's already stated that Bria's album will be very sexual, but 'Hey, it's okay, because she may be singing to her mate!'

3) Prince seems sort of fickle. He get passionate about things for a bit of time, then sort of changes. It's how he's been able to continue to be an icon rather than just another great musician.