What saddens me is the ignorance, not just of Prince but the whole far right Christian agenda. Iam sick of Ultra Protestant church sects and CULTS like the Mormon Church (Who believe they came in spaceships and will be taken back) Pentecostalism (earth am flat, speaking in tongues crap), Seventh Day Adventist and Jehovah Witnesses as well as most Baptist and Anabaptist cults thinking they represent the interests of all Christians, SHUT DA FUCK UP!!
Whats sadder is these parasitical cults go after the vulnerable and the disaffected which includes blacks and poor white trash mostly. Unfortunately Prince proves hes nothing more than a small minded and small brained bigot he spouts this crap. We have a similar evangelical church here in New Zealand called Destiny Church who preach the same gays are unnatural, women should stay in the kitchen and the bedroom, and all non believers and non Christians are sinners and agents of the devil, yet most of it adherents are 'born again' and were mostly in prison, on welfare and bashing their spouses before they found Destiny. The founder ofDestiny was a charlatan called Brian Tamaki who found god when he was 29 and started the church which relies on homophobic and venomous preaching mixed in with brainwashing and intimidation. Followers pay 10% of their gross income as a tithe and are heartily encouraged to donate more (Most are bone poor like most JWs and Pentecostal blacks) and are forced to fork out money for tshirts functions and hate parades including a brownshirt style rally to protest against the gays and the Godless government.
Like I said its sad someone as intelligent as Prince would fall for this crap. Larry Graham must die

tane1976 said:

i agree, i have wondered this myself..can't understand the attraction of any religion...
nothing proven, nothing scientific, just a load of mumbojumbo..

altho i like the 10 commandments.

but living by these rules can't be soooo difficult tht pages & pages of bible should be devoted to the buggers?

btw, u don't really mean tht about lazza g?

tane1976 said:

i don't like religion either but why state that someone should die?

tane1976 said:

WORD!

I say Larry Graham must die, as it was him who introduced Prince to the JW's and ultimately led him to start spouting this crap. Even as late as 96, Prince couldn't care less if people thought he was gay. Remember the Oprah Winfrey interview where he responds to the gay question by saying "Whatever floats the boat".
Ok Larry is a great bassist but he has to realise that Prince has a lot of gay fans and female fans who get offended by the things they say in the name of Jehovah. By the way I am Christian, read the Bible every day and pray to God all the time before every meal and never blaspheme or take the Lords name in vain. People would say thats not enough because I don't swallow their dogma. Being a Catholic my Anglican partner (Who has distant Jewish ancestry like me) taught me the self love through a mixture of High Anglicanism/Quakerism and Agnostic beliefs. And I am the better for it.

But I realise that the Lord teaches us forgiveness, to love the sinner and not the sin. I am sorry I said I want LW to die I should be praying for him instead with Prince to see the error of their ways, to pray for them to love and forgive all people just like Jesus did. Remember he DIED for our sins. This is the least we can do for him in return

So you can be Christian, Love God, Love Prince and be gay all at once
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tane1976 said:

i hate to say this but you are representing the same type of hypocrisy you are accusing prince of. you call yourself a christiann but calls for someone to die. i have my own feelings about Larry Graham and this whole jw thing which are not favorable but i would never say that he should die. i just don't get that part sorry.

tane1976 said:

You can? do u think God is happy with that?

LizaWoman08 said:

You people fucking suck. Why does this conversation have to be about yr pathetic sky fairy?

JudasLChrist said:

Why such the hate? I'm just wondering, did something happen for you to hate God so much?

LizaWoman08 said:

His followers are fucking jerks!

JudasLChrist said:

hmm, how do you know they are really following Him?

JudasLChrist said:

Yo, I'm a Gay Christian and I don't appreciate you or anyone calling me or any other Christian a jerk. Who are you to do that shit just because you don't believe in God or had a bad encounter with a Christian in the past? Don't lump us all into that cause it's not fair at all. It's stuff like that that helps make Christians NOT want to support us gay folks. Besides, you wouldn't want me to call you a jerk for believing in whatever you believe in or don't believe in. It's all about respect.
[Edited 11/26/08 22:19pm]

tane1976 said:

Amen to that man! I don't wish for LG's death but I believe he needs prayer for real. I don't think LG's been good for Prince and it's more than just JW. I pray for Prince too.

JudasLChrist said:

i think you should go chill or seek some therapy bcuz your rage is getting the best of you. You want the whole world to abandon God, well guess what? that ain't gonna happen. Rather than spouting hate on a Prince messageboard (not sure why you're still here since you hate him now), but you should spend more time educating people on the matter. People can change if you engage them and inform them about your views, share your lifestory and let people know they have nothing to fear.

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wonder505 said:

Have you ever tried talking to these so-called Christians?
Well my family hasn't gotten any more enlightened or understanding or tolerant.

All I am is a Christian punching bag.

But if I live a lie for them then they're happy. I guess they think God much prefers us to be dishonest liars and give up our self-respect and self-esteem.
Although we go to hell as liars, at least it won't be as homosexuals.

SUPRMAN said:

i totally understand and I don't mean to make light of the situation and also sorry that your family has not accepted you. some people just won't change but damning God and generalizing christians like some people here do is not the answer either. i'm a christian and i don't condemn anyone unless ofcourse it's outright wrong like purposely hurting someone, murder, rape, etc.
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purplecam said:

You know if you can't handle people being called out on religious based intolerance, then there is no common ground that we cans speak on.

The history of christianity is filled with murder, rape of children and colonialism.

A group of god fearing christians works tirelessly to keep gay people and others who don't live by their dogma down.

I'm NOT in the mood to coddle anybody.

There is no excuse for religious based heterosexism. It is unacceptable.

JudasLChrist said:

I am not one of those so called Christians, I love I don't hate, anyone who calls themself a Christian and then preaches intolerance, hate and/or bigotry is not a Christian, they are an agent of the devil, as well as proving their ignorance and fear.
Judas I respect the fact you don't believe or approve of the Lord and you have that right, however we do not want to know about it. Just the name Judas means you must at least have an elementary understanding of the Bible, I am sure there are many Ku Klux Klan and hate sites for you to exercise your vitriolic on. Perhaps you should vent your hate and negativity there . Purplecam and everyone else that supports, Bless you all

ratt said:

Oh shit... I thought Mariage was between people who loved each other...

Why is it so strange not to believe in God ?

Why is it so strange to fight for justice, equity, brotherhood and freedom for any men and women ?

JoniMitchell said:

Right on, Joni!

I think that people will keep on making an issue out of it as long as gay people do not have the same rights as straight people, soley based on prejudice and religions that have been outdated my science.

I wait for the day organisations take ANY country inside of the United Nations on for not adhering the same rights to all it's citizens.

tane1976 said:

An orger stated that they don't understand how one can "look someone in the eye and say I love you but I don't agree with your lifestyle." The above quote should clarify.

Every Christian and everyone for that matter should know that humankind should not be held to perfect high standards to follow, only the Creator, and if ppl are gonna choose to not be a Christian anymore because of bad encounters wit other "so-called Christians", then whoever your Creator may be is prolly shakin His head at u
HUMANKIND IS NOT PERFECT!
If u don't believe in God, that's one thing, but makin an entire lifetime decision on YOUR soul salvation because of another human being's downfall(s) doesn't make much sense at all.

It brings to mind wat Katt Williams said about self-esteem...no man can f*ck up a woman's self-esteem...IT'S ESTEEM OF YO MUTHAFUCCIN SELF!
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tane1976 said:

I agree with you on Larry G, but as a Kiwi, i gotta say, that twisted Brian Tamaki sick fuck, herder of the most retarder fucked up brainless level sheep of our society needs a shallow grave to sleep in. That man is Satans spawn incarnate. Sadly that fucker will grow in popularity among the uneducated and bitter and go all out to make a name for himself and the mongols that follow him, at a cost of great violence and sacrifice to our country....

Just read on Wiki about that Brian guy you've mentioned. Seems like a nice bloke.

With all the bullets flying about the world one has to wonder how come they keep missing those that deserve them?

tane1976 said:

God Bless you too tane1976 and Happy Thanksgiving!

tane1976 said:

I do know quite alot about the bible. I was a catholic altar boy, and am a former christian.

If you don't want to hear about my contempt for 'the lord', perhaps all of ya'll should stop bringing up yr mindless devotion to yr pathetic sky fairy at every available opportunity. Look at the title of this thread - It has NOTHING to do with yr thoughts on homosexuality and the bible. So, there's really no need for all of ya'll to bring that shit up. Nor should you be surprised by my anger.

And the Klan thing isn't gonna work. I hate to break it to you, but the Klan and other white supremacist organizations such as The World Church of the Creator - they consider themselves christians.

Which is totally in character if you look at history.

JudasLChrist said:

people are not going to abandon their God to please you, and the more you lash out and call people names, the more they will cling to their faith. there is hypocrisy in how people use religion which has caused harm. i've since abandoned religion but I do believe in God and spirituality. and you should focus on that rather than insulting a belief in God and generalizing all Christians.

i'm curious. what kind of grassroots movements are being conducted across the country to spread education about gay rights? i admit, you're gonna face a brick wall with some people, but you just never know who you might get to at least think about the issue on both sides. i know its not easy but was wondering what was being done.
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FlamingRaindrop said:

Flaming Raindrop, you have hit the nail on the head, I mean when he called himself a bishop and charged his followers $80 to see the ordination (Donations xtra and official merchandise extra$$). It caused a stir too when Sir Barry Curtis slammed it as the Pacific Island events centre, newly opened was the venue. But BT ain't the only one, where I am in Mt Wellington and south is full of huge elaborate churches built by people with no moneys donations. A funny bit was several years ago when a Lesbian couple saw their neighbours put up a sign on their door saying "Go away lisbyanns, we r members of Density church" that says it all.

JudasLChrist said:

But Judas, why contempt for the "Lord"? What did the "Lord" actually do to you to cause so much hatred? I'm not talking about his followers, I'm talking about God Himself, because it seems your anger is directed at Him.

LizaWoman08 said:

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in sky faries. My anger is only at the sky fairy followers.

Can we get back on topic, now?