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PrintableHaystack said: Colyr said: So you think Prince should sacrifice his beliefs to make you happy?? A lot of people think homosexuality is wrong.
He can believe what he likes. But if he's wanting to sell records, then he'd do well to keep opinions like what has been alleged to himself. I'll respect any opinion if it's a respectful opinion. If the opinion is putting certain elements of society down just because they choose to actually live the lives they were born with, that's not a respectful opinion and Prince should expect to get some flack for it. Homosexuality isn't a choice, however I will concede that the choice to actually come out, live a gay life and therefore take a huge step towards a happy, satisfying existence is a 'lifestyle choice'. I need nobody's approval about the way I live my life, however when you've spent 23 years following and supporting an artist who's free spirit and all-loving philosophy gave you much joy when you listened to his music, only to then hear an alleged comment that pretty much says he thinks you're somehow a second-class citizen, it's hugely disappointing. I hope that Prince can clear this up in a satisfying manner. If he doesn't, he'll be tarnished as a bigot. And once somebody's tarnished, it stays for a long time. If so, I would do a lot of introspection.
Wow, I bet you thought that last line ended your post with real impact  I never said being gay was the choice, I said life style. If you choose to come out, that is a life style, if you choose to act upon the feelings you have, straight or gay, that is life style. No I did not think the last line ended my post with a real impact. The point was If you like an artist simply because you think they approve of your life style choice, if you NEED that approval, then there is something missing inside you, not the artist. I have nothing against gays. I was always made to feel less than human in school because everyone thought I was gay, and I live in a small southern town so you can imagine how bad it was. On top of that I had to live with a secret of abuse. So I would never make anyone feel that way because I know how bad it hurts. My point is don't worry if someone approves of you or not, if you need that, the introspection is needed. | |
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JuliePurplehead said: I don't think Prince's personal views should matter when it comes to being a fan of his music. I could understand if some of those views leaked into his lyrics but that's not the case. If we all stopped listening to musicians because of their personal beliefs, there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of music left to listen to.
I couldn't agree with you more Julie. I am gay and I'm NOT offened by these alleged comments. People have the right to believe the way they want to just as I have the right as long as you are not trying to hurt me personally and vice versa and I don't see that with this case. I have relatives who don't agree with me being gay and think it's a sin too but I don't disassociate myself from them cause I love them and it's the same with Prince for me. I can agree to disagree, a lost artform here on the org. I'm hear for his music, I'm not here for his beliefs. Believe in whatever you want, just make a product I want to buy and I'll buy it. If you or anyone else wants to sell their collection on eBay, that's on you but I'm not going to be that crazy over that. I just won't. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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optimus said: Well I discintivley remember him goin on the Ellen Deranges show (the lesbian) and it seemed he really liked her and they got on! So enough of this silly shit plz..this topic has ovarun its time on the forum
 and a bit more positivity in these threads for Prince and eachother wouldnt go a miss either! 
[Edited 11/22/08 8:05am] Amen to that!  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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myfavorite said: o.k. o.k., prince. is. gay. but the women he was married to were men...
CASE CLOSED! ! ! ! ! ! ! annnuuuuhhhmmm, who wouldn't want to be gay????? This needed to be said. Thank you. | |
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NpgKan said: [b]If Prince did in fact say " He is AGAINST Homosexuality, because God was sick of seeing people sticking it everywhere" I will have 2 hear an OFFICIAL statetment from him he was misquoted, within 1 week. If He did say it, Im going 2 sell EVERY prince item I own when the economy is better, and it will B on E-Bay. If the latter is the case, I will tell everyone my seller name there, and when im selling. So,there might be a HUGE slashed price sale on a lot of his stuff in the Future.
~~~ NpgKan I can't believe you are actually this shocked. I'm gay and I sort of already knew he probably felt this way. I'm a pastor and my partner was raised JW so I know all about the faith and their teachings. I still love him as an artist and he is still my favorite rock star. I do not go to him for spiritual advice. For that I talk to my Jesus. | |
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Nope don't need approval. Just prefer the bigots keep their mouths shut.
Colyr said: So you think Prince should sacrifice his beliefs to make you happy?? A lot of people think homosexuality is wrong. Do you need someones approval for the life style you choose? If so, I would do a lot of introspection. | |
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piepie1976 said: Nope don't need approval. Just prefer the bigots keep their mouths shut.
Colyr said: So you think Prince should sacrifice his beliefs to make you happy?? A lot of people think homosexuality is wrong. Do you need someones approval for the life style you choose? If so, I would do a lot of introspection. If you are calling me a bigot, then you need to read what I wrote. I'll paste it here for you: I never said being gay was the choice, I said life style. If you choose to come out, that is a life style, if you choose to act upon the feelings you have, straight or gay, that is life style. No I did not think the last line ended my post with a real impact. The point was If you like an artist simply because you think they approve of your life style choice, if you NEED that approval, then there is something missing inside you, not the artist. I have nothing against gays. I was always made to feel less than human in school because everyone thought I was gay, and I live in a small southern town so you can imagine how bad it was. On top of that I had to live with a secret of abuse. So I would never make anyone feel that way because I know how bad it hurts. My point is don't worry if someone approves of you or not, if you need that, the introspection is needed. | |
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What's his music and artistry got to do with his personal beliefs?
From the different things I've heard over the years, I believe that Prince is a bit of a jumped-up prat on a personal level. But his music rocks and I'll always respect him as an artist. Why can't you seperate the man from the music? | |
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I was actually referring to Prince but I do believe anyone who calls someone a sinner because of who they love is a bigot. So, I'm not sure whether you fall into that category or not.
Colyr said: piepie1976 said: Nope don't need approval. Just prefer the bigots keep their mouths shut.
If you are calling me a bigot, then you need to read what I wrote. I'll paste it here for you: I never said being gay was the choice, I said life style. If you choose to come out, that is a life style, if you choose to act upon the feelings you have, straight or gay, that is life style. No I did not think the last line ended my post with a real impact. The point was If you like an artist simply because you think they approve of your life style choice, if you NEED that approval, then there is something missing inside you, not the artist. I have nothing against gays. I was always made to feel less than human in school because everyone thought I was gay, and I live in a small southern town so you can imagine how bad it was. On top of that I had to live with a secret of abuse. So I would never make anyone feel that way because I know how bad it hurts. My point is don't worry if someone approves of you or not, if you need that, the introspection is needed. | |
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piepie1976 said: I was actually referring to Prince but I do believe anyone who calls someone a sinner because of who they love is a bigot. So, I'm not sure whether you fall into that category or not.
Colyr said: If you are calling me a bigot, then you need to read what I wrote. I'll paste it here for you: I never said being gay was the choice, I said life style. If you choose to come out, that is a life style, if you choose to act upon the feelings you have, straight or gay, that is life style. No I did not think the last line ended my post with a real impact. The point was If you like an artist simply because you think they approve of your life style choice, if you NEED that approval, then there is something missing inside you, not the artist. I have nothing against gays. I was always made to feel less than human in school because everyone thought I was gay, and I live in a small southern town so you can imagine how bad it was. On top of that I had to live with a secret of abuse. So I would never make anyone feel that way because I know how bad it hurts. My point is don't worry if someone approves of you or not, if you need that, the introspection is needed. Have you read me call anyone a sinner?? | |
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I can and do. That's the only reason I'm even still here. But if he makes an outrageous and bigoted comment in some interview, I think I have the right to show my disdain.
MattyJam said: What's his music and artistry got to do with his personal beliefs?
From the different things I've heard over the years, I believe that Prince is a bit of a jumped-up prat on a personal level. But his music rocks and I'll always respect him as an artist. Why can't you seperate the man from the music? | |
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Again...I was referring to Prince.
Colyr said: piepie1976 said: I was actually referring to Prince but I do believe anyone who calls someone a sinner because of who they love is a bigot. So, I'm not sure whether you fall into that category or not.
Have you read me call anyone a sinner?? | |
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I can't believe there are some who would sell their Prince items and/or stop buying his music because of a statement he may or may not have said. To me, that's like "disowning" anyone as family or friend because they disagree with something you agree with. Everyone is going to have a different view than you an one issue or another. That's life. I remember when it was stated that Donna Summer supposedly said this or that about gay people. You think I'm gonna stop buying her stuff. NOT!! Everyone has a right to their PERSONAL opinion. And, yes, everyone has a right to stop doing whatever for whatever reason. However, doing so on such a premise makes no sense to me since that premise is likely not carried out in other aspenct of the person's life. If you're going to stop supporting Prince because of his personal opinion, why not stop being friends with or having relationships with your relatives if one or more of them has a personal opinion that differs from yours as well? See my point? Needless to say, it is up to you. Just trying to make a point. | |
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Colyr said: The point was If you like an artist simply because you think they approve of your life style choice, if you NEED that approval, then there is something missing inside you, not the artist.
I'm guessing you must have felt this way about an artist before? I personally have never felt this way and I've never met nor spoken to anybody who's supported an artist simply because they want or need his/her approval of their lifestyle. I enjoyed listening to Prince because as well as loving the music, he felt like a kindred spirit, like he had experienced a lot of the things, both negative and positive in his life as I had mine. That was about as personal as my experience with the man went. | |
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JuliePurplehead said: I don't think Prince's personal views should matter when it comes to being a fan of his music. I could understand if some of those views leaked into his lyrics but that's not the case. If we all stopped listening to musicians because of their personal beliefs, there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of music left to listen to.
CASE IN POINT: Bob Marley's religious & political views against gays were never enough to stop him from being THE king of reggae music. | |
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MattyJam said: Why can't you seperate the man from the music?
Serious question: Is there anywhere where you'd personally draw the line and think 'actually, I'm not going to put money in that man's pocket anymore if he thinks/does this'? If you answer yes, no matter what your reason, then surely you shouldn't be making the statement that I've quoted here. | |
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Look we all know this...people in tune with their own sexuality don't care what other people do.
"Protesting too much"??? Well, we all have our "doubts". Bob? Price??? Just cause they're great artists doesn't mean they hold the truth. Don't know much 'bout Bob but we all know Prince is a bit intellectually limited. | |
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TonyVanDam said: CASE IN POINT: Bob Marley's religious & political views against gays were never enough to stop him from being THE king of reggae music.
I agree, but keep in mind also that about 99% of the Caribbean/West Indies were VERY homophobic back then and still are now, but to a lesser degree. Because of his stardom here, he was propelled worldwide. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Prince is a man with Biblical Integrity. Honor that notion.
If U want to sell Ur Music collection, I as sure there are thousands of people that will be glad that U did.  "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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I'm a man of HUMAN integrity. He needs to honor THAT notion.
Tame said: Prince is a man with Biblical Integrity. Honor that notion.
If U want to sell Ur Music collection, I as sure there are thousands of people that will be glad that U did. | |
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piepie1976 said: Again...I was referring to Prince.
Colyr said: Have you read me call anyone a sinner?? You said I do believe anyone who calls someone a sinner because of who they love is a bigot. So, I'm not sure whether you fall into that category or not. I was answering your question, NO, I do not fall into that category. | |
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Prince tried to told you back in the day:
Prince has written, arranged, performed and produced three albums to date (For You, Prince and Dirty Mind), all presenting the same unique persona. Appearances to the contrary, though, he says he's not gay, and he has a standard rebuff for overenthusiastic male fans: "I'm not about that; we can be friends, but that's as far as it goes. My sexual preferences really aren't any of their business." A Penthouse "Pet of the Month" centerfold laid out on a nearby table silently underscores his point. Where is Little Richard in the middle of this Prop 8 stuff? He is African-American for those who tried to make this a Civil Rights issue and said African-American's who voted against it were bigots. He is a Minister who performs marriages. And he is quite effervescent. So it seems like he should have a LOT to say. He should have been in a Commercial or something. They could have given him a slogan and paid him double to promote two things. (Little Richard voice) "Honey vote for Proposition 8 for those the use Preparation H. Wooo!"* (*Due to The Writers Strike we had to write that ourselves. Yes, it is very lame. We gotta use what we got.) [Edited 11/22/08 19:20pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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JayJai said: P2daP said: So let me get this straight. Your gonna sell all your prince stuff, cause prince may have basicaly said. He feels homosexuality is a sin. Which is pretty obvious on he feels about it since he's a devote jehovah witness. He's never said gays need to be punished or killed or anything horrible like that. Just in lose terms that he feels it's a sin. Something your baker, your doctor, and the person teaching children may all feel the same way. But your gona basically outcast him from your life becuase he has different point of view then you do, he doesnt think like you do. Isn't that what being homophopic is, to not like the way someone lives thier ife and to disagree with thier point of view on a subject (homosexuailty). And before you start bashing me, keep in my mind that man in the picture next to this post is gay, my roommates gay, i loove the gay community. But dont bash someone just because they have a different point of view. no matter how wrong they maybe. As long as they're not telling others to hurt someone beacuse of it. You should respect thier beilefs
 well said...now can we done this bloodclaat shit and put it to rest? PLEASE?!  | |
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JayJai said: P2daP said: So let me get this straight. Your gonna sell all your prince stuff, cause prince may have basicaly said. He feels homosexuality is a sin. Which is pretty obvious on he feels about it since he's a devote jehovah witness. He's never said gays need to be punished or killed or anything horrible like that. Just in lose terms that he feels it's a sin. Something your baker, your doctor, and the person teaching children may all feel the same way. But your gona basically outcast him from your life becuase he has different point of view then you do, he doesnt think like you do. Isn't that what being homophopic is, to not like the way someone lives thier ife and to disagree with thier point of view on a subject (homosexuailty). And before you start bashing me, keep in my mind that man in the picture next to this post is gay, my roommates gay, i loove the gay community. But dont bash someone just because they have a different point of view. no matter how wrong they maybe. As long as they're not telling others to hurt someone beacuse of it. You should respect thier beilefs
well said...now can we done this bloodclaat shit and put it to rest? PLEASE?! >>Bwoy JayJai.....dem deh lip deh look nice nuh rass. | |
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Look, if you really want to "stick it to Prince and piss him off", don't sell your stuff off, that would make you like him...profiting at someone else's demiss....I'm already corrupted and beyond salvation as a Prince fan. I promise you,I will punish him daily and play him to death
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It really doesn't matter to me what Prince thinks about homosexuality. He's entitled to think what he wishes. If he did indeed make this statement, it's ironic. In Annastesia he says "Have u ever wanted to play with someone so much u'd take anyone boy or girl?"
Things that make ya' go hmmmm... | |
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afterthought***
is it possible to be gay but instead of gay sex, heterosexual????? how is gay defined????? THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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 Prince was so much better when he didnt do interviews and it was all about the music .
Sure he is entitled to his opinion , whatever , who cares what he thinks to be honest . Prince dont like the gays , Erykah Badu dont like the whites , whatever , who cares After all they say opinions are like assholes , Prince is one sometimes | |
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piepie1976 said: Yea he didn't leave her without saying his piece about gays, either. After the credits rolled he went into, "Bambi!" Of all the songs in his arsenal, he picks the anti-lesbian one. You think that was an accident?
optimus said: Well I discintivley remember him goin on the Ellen Deranges show (the lesbian) and it seemed he really liked her and they got on! So enough of this silly shit plz..this topic has ovarun its time on the forum and a bit more positivity in these threads for Prince and eachother wouldnt go a miss either!
[Edited 11/22/08 8:05am] no it wasnt a accident because she requested the fucking song! DUH! [Edited 11/23/08 8:54am] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
Everybody wants salvation of the soul The steps U take are no easy road But the reward is great 4 those who want 2 go | |
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