I know Prince is not usually seen as a guitarist, but I was listening to Santana's "SHAMAN" CD ( Excellent CD) and can not help but wonder why people don't see Prince as good as this guy on the instrument. Even his earlier (poppier) stuff like "Let's Go Crazy", "Sign O..(single), and the live "Santana Medley" sound more well balanced and brilliant than Santana. I would Prince up there with Santana, but more next to Hendrix and Clapton. I think if Prince was more known as an instrumentalist instead of a singer, this comment would be evident to most every music listener. Also, is it me or does anyone else think Prince should be in the background like Santana is on his records or even Quincy Jones. I just feel as much as we love Prince his time would be better spent (when releasing STUDIO work) as a producer, writer, player. Sort of like " Prince- featuring Gwen Stefani" for example.

cmicasa said:

"Also, is it me or does anyone else think Prince should be in the background like Santana is on his records or even Quincy Jones"
he has done it with the "associated artists", Prince featuring Sheila E, featuring Jill Jones, featuring Carmen Electra
Quincy Jones is very over rated imho, as a composer & producer too, Prince is 10 times more talented than Q

I think Santana always plays the same old boring style of guitar playing, i can always recognize a santana song a mile off because he always plays the same old shit.

at least prince Tries to play different styles...

jnoel said:

Ok, if prince is 10 times more talented, Quincy uses his talent 20 times more better.

jnoel said:

Sure.

joeycoco said:

Never thought I agree on anything with Joe

quincy is talented, so is Prince. I like Prince more.

I prefer Prince's playing to Santana. Santana is 1D.

cabrao said:

elaborate please, I like to laugh too (I'm happy if I made you get together)
[This message was edited Sat Nov 16 4:57:42 PST 2002 by jnoel]

Santana is pretty one dimensional, but he's fantastic at that one sound - he plays his own brand of fiery passionate latin music, and that's what he does.

Prince really is a lot more dynamic, but his tone just doesn't match Santana's. That's not really a slam on Prince, Santana just has a legendary tone that most guitarists don't even come near.

But hell, I like to think I'm at least 60% as good as Carlos. Okay, maybe 40%.

I think Prince is more gifted.
Besides, he is a lot cuter and a lot more fun

Carlos Blows Prince away with the Most Basic Aspects of His Playing IMHO.and please don't nobody Mention Prince&Quincy Jones in the Same Breath: Quincy Jones would Wipe the Floor with Prince backwards&Forwards.Q taught Donny Hathaway Orchestration among others.Quincy Jones also taught Patrice Rushen some stuff among other folks.don't make Me Laugh."Graffti Bridge" was Prince's Wack Ass Attempt at doing"Back on The Block"&"The Dude"&Needless too say People stayed away.Quincy Jones IMHO is overdue for all he does.Quincy Jones is a Standard Period.Prince is a Very Talented Cat.but it's the Cat's Sound that works not any one thing IMHO.

mistermaxxx said:

I hear you.

Like many producers, Quincy Jones gets away with doing very little in many cases. It was Donny Hathaway who had to teach Quincy something about music, not vice versa. From the mouth of Chuck Rainey, who worked with Quincy, Donny, Steely Dan, Aretha, and a TON of people who have had similar experiences but know that Quincy as a brand name is good for their career. A lot of you would be shocked at what goes on behind the scenes sometimes.

Supernova said:

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This is interesting because I have always belived that their was a lot of hype around Quincy. Most of Back On The Block is terrible and a lot of people he works with go on to do nothing.

If you have some info about what goes on please share.

laurarichardson said:

Don't ge me wrong; Quincy obviously has the skill that a lot of so-called producers don't have, and most of what his name is attached to is quality - so he's doing a lot right. All I'm saying is that in the music industry holding the title "Producer" is sometimes misleading, and many producers, great ones, and not so great ones, get away with doing very little sometimes. Had Chuck Rainey not brought it up I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Chuck's track record and resume are spectacular, and he was a good friend of the late, great Donny Hathaway.

Supernova said:

Leave it too you too Hate on Quincy Jones.Should have known.you Talk trash on Michael Jackson,Rick James&Now Quincy Jones.What a Hater? Quincy Jones has done everything in the Business from playing Trumpet,Piano,Conducting,etc..Writing scores,A&R,Film&TV Projects,etc...yeah I know He doesn't do as much as He once did.you aren't the only one with Inside Connections I know about the Sessions He did with the Brothers Johnson&How they were tyring too Piece Parts together&Q got His Team TOgether&Put things together.I Know How when Michael Jackson wanted too Cut"Billie Jean"&wanted a 5 Minute Opening Guitar Intro&How Quincy got Him too trim it down.Everybody learns from somebody but Quincy Jones has had His thing going on since He was 14-16 Years Old.He did alot of things for Lionel Hampton&His band.yeah I understand the Brand name"PRODUCER" I know about Dr.Dre,Puffy,Babyface,etc..but can't nobody take anything away from Q but Some "HATERS" will try just like with Michael.you aren't the only one with Connections.you are Smart&Wise but you aren't alone on this Discovery.

Supernova said:

Quincy Jones has Skills Period.He didn't get there by Accident.I don't agree with everything He has done as a Artist Per-Se but the Man is one of the Baddest Cats too Ever Hit a Studio IMHO.I Know that Engineers&Other folks tweak things up.it's like that in every situation.even with Prince David Z.was hinting at that but never went into detail because all things even themselves out.of course there is alot of Window Dressing in the Business.I learned alot of how the Biz Rolls from reading about Clive Davis.that Cat is Musically Tone Deaf but I Be Damn if He doesn't know the Hustle.and that speaks of many other Head CEO's.but you earn your title with what you do.then you get a line of Credit&everybody under you no matter what they do pretty much has too roll how you roll.it's a real Jungle.

mistermaxxx said:

Leave it to you to exhibit a TOTAL LACK of reading comprehension, and overreaction. Hate on that.

yeah I understand the Brand name"PRODUCER"

That's not what I said AT ALL. This is why you could never discuss anything with me seriously because you come to the table lacking comprehension. And you do this ALL the time. I'm not saying it to be cocky or hurtful, seriously it's the truth. You have that habit and it NEVER fades.

Quincy Jones has Skills Period.

Obviously. Nobody said he didn't.

Spacing.

Paragraphs.

Punctuation helps too.



I mean, really, this unraveling you have a habit of going through when someone dares to post something contrary to what you say is an overreaction, and you should figure out what it's about. What PFunkjazz said about it was THE truth.

Now you can go back to policing those who are filled with what you deem as "hatred" when they don't agree with your opinion of Michael Jackson, Rick James, and Madonna, (oops, I guess I'm in that group). And "hating on" Elvis Costello, Bruce Sprinsteen, and U2, since YOU are the only one that is allowed Hateration Rights.




Ugh...
[This message was edited Sat Nov 16 20:03:28 PST 2002 by Supernova]

Oh please,let's not have a "Quincy Jones Vs.Prince" thread

That would be absurb,because both of those men are legendary genuises,it's ridiculous to even compare them.

As for Santana and Prince...personally,I think Carlos is the better guitarist.Prince is obviously the better all-around musician ,but when it comes to just GUITAR,Carlos has no competition,in my opinion.

IMO, I like Carlos on guitar more. They both have tight as hell bands tho. I think outta all the live bands I seen I would go with Prince, Santana and Bowie.. all three had super bands live. I like how Prince uses so many different styles tho I have to say Santana can speak with the guitar..not so much the style but when you hear him play you know its him.

DavidEye said:

"That would be absurb" of course Quincy Jones is not a singer, is not a (great) musician is not an innovator, when I look at the credit of an album produced by Q like "The Dude" I see that he's surrounded by an army of coproducers, sound enginners assistants etc, the thing is that the etablishment kiss his ass

More gifted guitarist?? They both are, simple as that..this who has a pinch more in the guitar blessings department is silly...2 weeks from now there will B another thread asking the same thang...

cmicasa said:

I think prince is better than santana. santana's guitar work was better in the 70's. (evil ways, como va etc...) his new album didnt impress me NEARLY like prince's guitar playing does! prince HAS improved over the years, not santana. i think santana should do some stuff WITH prince. together, they might be spectacular!

Prince does a lot more than just play guitar. Carlos is primarily a guitar player. It isn't really fair to say Carlos is more gifted because he doesn't really write a lot of his material, at least not these days. I don't know the history.
It isn't fair to say Prince is a more gifted guitarist either because he is not limited to guitar.
Why do you people always try to pit Prince against other people? Can't they both be gifted?

Prince is a more gifted arranger and composer, and that means his guitar parts are much more interesting. Those little funky licks at exactly the right spots... But it has to be said that in the screaming lead department, Santana has more control and needs fewer effects. I like Prince doing Prince's thing on guitar more than Carlos doing Carlos' thing. But when Prince tries to do Santana, he doesn't match up. Check the Undertaker video, Prince keeps on adding effects and plays some pretty incoherent stuff. Wouldn't happen to Santana. But give me Sign "O" the Times over Samba Pa Ti anytime.

m2c