L4OATheOriginal said: meow85 said: The fanatics are the ones limiting him IMO. Everything he does cannot possibly be pure gold, and giving a pass to less-than-stellar work just allows him as an artist to coast. I know art is subjective and one person's gold could be another's garbage, but it's simply fact that what he's doing now does not stack up in terms of quality to his older work. I don't care if he does rock, funk, soul, pop, country, or even metal -what I want is the quality I know he's capable of. Prince has talent most artists can only dream of, and it feels like lately he's been reigning himself in. Why that is, I have no idea. But I'd like to know why you think I and others like me are the ones limiting Prince's art when we voice our confusion over what looks like a lessening effort or care on his part. Like I said, I'm not asking for a particular style or sound or subject matter. I wouldn't deign to tell someone else what to create. But some of his current stuff sounds like he's just been phoning it in. That's what's troubling us. He's above this. let's take the approach of one person's gold is another's garbage theory: i personally love the whole 3121 album. 4 me it was a "yes mf's i'm still here kicking killer groove and sticking the funk in ur face" another person says it's pure bullshit. i personally think planet earth is a piece of shit, yet others hail it as a masterpiece and so on. this inlays the problem of past glory compared 2 current output. i can only speak 4 myself and what i c other fans have been doing 4 years when it comes 2 his current material and what i feel is the solution 2 it all. stop looking 4 the past glory and just enjoy what's in front of u now. if it's not ur cup of tea, it's okay 2 voice ur opinion but just b honest with it. i'm not calling u out, i hope ur understanding what i'm trying 2 say about it all. if someone keeps sitting "the 80's material" then b honest and say hey this is what his music meant 2 me and this is what i want 2 keep feeling. the industry has so much changed since that time and i'm honest when i hear his linn drum in his music 2day i want 2 slap the hell out of him and say STOP THAT SHIT..get a real drummer and go 4 it. i'm all 4 calling out prince 4 dogging it, hell he's been dogging it on stage since musicology. how can we as a fanbase just allow him 2 b without shackles if we r all wanting him 2 go in so many different directions? I think he should stop listening to us and go with what he wants. More than that, he should stop trying to have another hit album for the youngins. The young people -like myself -who do appreciate his sound will find our way here without his having a song at #1 on Billboard or bickering with Timberlake. People beg for funk, he makes funk. People plead for rock, he makes rock. People throw themselves at his feet so he'll make a ballad, he makes a ballad. Maybe it's easier said than done, but I think he'd be better off as an artist if he just quite bowing to our demands. Prince needs to make what he feels like making. That, I think, is when we'll see him really shine again -when he's making art to please what's inside him instead of to please us. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Another thing that many fail to realize is that Prince has done everything that you can think of . So how do you know if Future Baby Mama was written in 1996 or 2006? | |
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meow85 said: L4OATheOriginal said: okay perfect xample ... would the prince of say 1979 write a song called friend lover sister mother wife? or would a prince of 1982 write a song like the grand progression? with every album prince has matured in his writting, singing and per4ming. just like we all have in our individual lives Then how do explain a track like Future Baby Mama, a desperate attempt at "hip" lingo obviously misunderstood. Would a mature person be trying so hard to sound like they're 20? Or 1+1+1=3, where he announces "ain't no room to disagree" ? Someone mature in their spiritual outlook can allow room for dissent from others. As for whether the Prince of old would have written a song like Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife, I can't say. Perhaps if he'd been getting married then he might have. well one has 2 understand what 1+1+1 is 3 is truly about 2 say that..God (being the 1st number) is first ..man being the 2nd number 1 and woman being the 3rd number 1 tho i don't like the song future baby mama, current lingo has been used in all forms of music, i doubt it if prince started writting songs at this point in his life using 1950's lingo man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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meow85 said: L4OATheOriginal said: let's take the approach of one person's gold is another's garbage theory: i personally love the whole 3121 album. 4 me it was a "yes mf's i'm still here kicking killer groove and sticking the funk in ur face" another person says it's pure bullshit. i personally think planet earth is a piece of shit, yet others hail it as a masterpiece and so on. this inlays the problem of past glory compared 2 current output. i can only speak 4 myself and what i c other fans have been doing 4 years when it comes 2 his current material and what i feel is the solution 2 it all. stop looking 4 the past glory and just enjoy what's in front of u now. if it's not ur cup of tea, it's okay 2 voice ur opinion but just b honest with it. i'm not calling u out, i hope ur understanding what i'm trying 2 say about it all. if someone keeps sitting "the 80's material" then b honest and say hey this is what his music meant 2 me and this is what i want 2 keep feeling. the industry has so much changed since that time and i'm honest when i hear his linn drum in his music 2day i want 2 slap the hell out of him and say STOP THAT SHIT..get a real drummer and go 4 it. i'm all 4 calling out prince 4 dogging it, hell he's been dogging it on stage since musicology. how can we as a fanbase just allow him 2 b without shackles if we r all wanting him 2 go in so many different directions? I think he should stop listening to us and go with what he wants. More than that, he should stop trying to have another hit album for the youngins. The young people -like myself -who do appreciate his sound will find our way here without his having a song at #1 on Billboard or bickering with Timberlake. People beg for funk, he makes funk. People plead for rock, he makes rock. People throw themselves at his feet so he'll make a ballad, he makes a ballad. Maybe it's easier said than done, but I think he'd be better off as an artist if he just quite bowing to our demands. Prince needs to make what he feels like making. That, I think, is when we'll see him really shine again -when he's making art to please what's inside him instead of to please us. i agree about stop trying 2 b mainstream. i feel he's at his best when he's gone underground man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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muleFunk said: Another thing that many fail to realize is that Prince has done everything that you can think of . So how do you know if Future Baby Mama was written in 1996 or 2006?
4 the sheer fact that the lryic mentions his 2 marriages man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Prince told more than one lie on Oprah. Forget about the lie he told about the health of his child, as that's largely a personal matter, even though telling the truth would have been less ridiculous. He lied about the output of his music when he was "free." | |
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I would only like to add that the music played on the Gold Experience Tour was FIERCE. That did appear to be a man possessed by music. They were calculated concerts, for sure, but they were also alive. The Prince I had seen before and the one I saw after didn't compare. He then appeared free to me. | |
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BoySimon said: I would only like to add that the music played on the Gold Experience Tour was FIERCE. That did appear to be a man possessed by music. They were calculated concerts, for sure, but they were also alive. The Prince I had seen before and the one I saw after didn't compare. He then appeared free to me.
LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!!! the ONA was the closest 2 him being free again .. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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We all are free.....the only perameters that are set upon us are the ones with witch we choose....and that is still freedom.....
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muleFunk said: Another thing that many fail to realize is that Prince has done everything that you can think of . So how do you know if Future Baby Mama was written in 1996 or 2006?
Regardless of when it was written, he's using a derogatory term and clearly did not understand what it meant. Unless it was his intention to write a completely insulting ballad? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: well one has 2 understand what 1+1+1 is 3 is truly about 2 say that..God (being the 1st number) is first ..man being the 2nd number 1 and woman being the 3rd number 1 Nevermind that that is completely insulting and degrading to females...."Ain't no room to disagree" is a profoundly immature thing to say, especially when he makes a point of announcing this ass-backwards sexual hierarchy, knowing full well many, many people do disagree. tho i don't like the song future baby mama, current lingo has been used in all forms of music, i doubt it if prince started writting songs at this point in his life using 1950's lingo He's 50. You're trying to tell me it's not sad and desperate when a person his age starts throwing out "hip" lingo like that? It just comes across as trying way too hard to be cool. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: L4OATheOriginal said: well one has 2 understand what 1+1+1 is 3 is truly about 2 say that..God (being the 1st number) is first ..man being the 2nd number 1 and woman being the 3rd number 1 Nevermind that that is completely insulting and degrading to females...."Ain't no room to disagree" is a profoundly immature thing to say, especially when he makes a point of announcing this ass-backwards sexual hierarchy, knowing full well many, many people do disagree. tho i don't like the song future baby mama, current lingo has been used in all forms of music, i doubt it if prince started writting songs at this point in his life using 1950's lingo He's 50. You're trying to tell me it's not sad and desperate when a person his age starts throwing out "hip" lingo like that? It just comes across as trying way too hard to be cool. well i've never like the term baby mama anyway, hence i never cared 4 the song but i feel ur point man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Is it "future baby mama" that everyone is upset about????? I guess I'm missing something again.....that's a compliment where I come from. Saying "baby mama" is a nice way also of saying she's not my wife. My sister lives with a man she's been with for maybe 20 yrs... they aren't married... I call him my sister's children's dad until they marry. I'm still wondering where this thread is at... | |
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Madison88 said: Is it "future baby mama" that everyone is upset about????? I guess I'm missing something again.....that's a compliment where I come from. Saying "baby mama" is a nice way also of saying she's not my wife. My sister lives with a man she's been with for maybe 20 yrs... they aren't married... I call him my sister's children's dad until they marry. I'm still wondering where this thread is at...
Musat be a thing where you live, because everywhere else "baby mama" isn't a nice thing to call a woman, even if she is. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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No disagreement with the terms. | |
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Madison88 said: Is it "future baby mama" that everyone is upset about????? I guess I'm missing something again.....that's a compliment where I come from. Saying "baby mama" is a nice way also of saying she's not my wife. My sister lives with a man she's been with for maybe 20 yrs... they aren't married... I call him my sister's children's dad until they marry. I'm still wondering where this thread is at...
where do you live? .. usually 'baby mama' has a slight negative stigma attached to it.. the term doesn't bother me though... I've been asked to be a baby mama literally and the ridiculous reason why he wanted me to be his baby mama .. told him da heck outta here .. please | |
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Is baby daddy wrong????? same difference. No big thang from where I'm from.... | |
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Madison88 said: Is baby daddy wrong????? same difference. No big thang from where I'm from...
it doesn't bother me either.. but some folks feel it's disrespectful | |
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