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Printableif these music demonologists were to really explore the lives of the people who create this so-called "satanic music", i think they'd realize how ludicrous their claims are.
sure, there IS "satanic" music out there. there's black metal, which one could argue is virtually an entire genre dedicated to topic matter that surely could make an entire church discusssion group cower under a pew. and there are "transgressive" experimental artists who cite satanism and satanic writers and philosophers in their work, but these artists are so on the fringe that they'd certainly be well outside of the radar of most mainstream christian music watchdogs. an overwhelming majority (if not virtually all) of the music cited by these groups as "satanic" is a laughable for "harmful matter", to put it kindly. it's easy to find a rock group or artist who looks odd, rough, androgynous or otherwise "threatening" and put a dangerous label on them. hell, the reputation of rock'n'roll used to THRIVE on it. the more the holy rollers, parents and the establishment hated it, the more the kids could be sure it was super cool. and so it goes. i remember when i was a teenager and my mom went to some crazy training on gang culture. she came home with a list of "gang related musical artists", and the list included - i kid you not - siouxsie & the banshees, the cure, ministry and skinny puppy. she knew i listened to all these bands, and so she approached me and was all like, "is there something i need to know?" it was ridiculous. "yeah, mom. i'm going to grab my robert smith doll and my black velvet shirt and i'm gonna go gangbanging tonight."  
bottom line: some people see "different" and they automatically think it's a threat. and, as always, that can be a dangerous and very hurtful assumption, and most of the time an incorrect assumption at that. | |
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Snap said: mdd said: tell you somenthing and i dont mean to ofend you in any way but satan just doesent exist,the church named him the guilty of all evil in this world,the oponet of god and Jesus,they nead him to put fear in peoples hearts.They nead to show you 2 opossites ways,god and bad so you can chose the god and if you dont whell you know,you go to hell after you die,and thets why crazy people such as this professor finds the number of the beast in a Prince album,what a waist of time.
evil is not the opposite of good or God evil literally gets smoked in comparison to good and no, satan is not needed to put fear in the hearts of people it's sin and what people do that does that take a look around at all the evil in the world we do it by what we allow and by what we ourselves do and it's for this reason, Jesus came to save us from ourselves Houpe youre wright,amd sorry about my englhish love will win | |
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LizaWoman08 said: mdd said: Sorry,you are wrong about kiss,this nights in satans service is something created by stupid people that were against kiss by that time.Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are jewesh and is prety hard to belive that they are satanic.They dont use drugs and never done nothing satanic during theirs lives.People call Ozzy Osborne a satanic folk 2,other mistake.and 1999 a satanic album?what a joke.people try to find satan in many places and start a rebelion against an artist or a culture whith this crap,tell you somenthing and i dont mean to ofend you in any way but satan just doesent exist,the church named him the guilty of all evil in this world,the oponet of god and Jesus,they nead him to put fear in peoples hearts.They nead to show you 2 opossites ways,god and bad so you can chose the god and if you dont whell you know,you go to hell after you die,and thets why crazy people such as this professor finds the number of the beast in a Prince album,what a waist of time. I do agree with you in the fact that sometimes people takes numerology a little too far...they try to find bad in everything...wasn't it not a few years ago when someone said the www on the internet was translated into 666? I think people are looking so hard to find "it" it wont be something so obvious...u know what i mean? Like, i mean u can interpret anything to be any number if you try hard enough. Yes that my point | |
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nurseV said: ReginaCarman said: AN Artist does not interpret his own works of art, he knows what the meaning is. The Artist his the only one qualified to tell anyone exactly what he or she meant. Maybe interpretation was the wrong term  Of course they know the original meaning, but not every piece of art may mean a single thing to an artist. Maybe you should just ask Prince Of course every piece of Art that an Artist creates means something to the Artist who, composed or made it.  [Edited 9/29/08 16:49pm] | |
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Flowers2 said: ReginaCarman said: If the Artist/Author is not present to personally verify someone's elses interpretations or opinions,
so.. you're gonna sit here and say that Prince is gonna 'admit' to you and the world that he may have dabbled in the occult world? So i had some experiences where
yeah, but do you know or have any experiences with witchcraft? folks really shouldn't get mad at hearing things like this..that Prince may have been involved in something 'deep' back in the past.. this is a topic no one wants to touch or even believe... Occult refers to Supernatural, Such as GOD. GOD is not LIFE, GOD is LOVE and could be referred to as being of the Supernatural because Supernatural means above LIFE. GOD is above LIFE he is LOVE. So the Occult deals with things that are better than life and above life. | |
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Snap said: mdd said: tell you somenthing and i dont mean to ofend you in any way but satan just doesent exist,the church named him the guilty of all evil in this world,the oponet of god and Jesus,they nead him to put fear in peoples hearts.They nead to show you 2 opossites ways,god and bad so you can chose the god and if you dont whell you know,you go to hell after you die,and thets why crazy people such as this professor finds the number of the beast in a Prince album,what a waist of time.
evil is not the opposite of good or God evil literally gets smoked in comparison to good and no, satan is not needed to put fear in the hearts of people it's sin and what people do that does that take a look around at all the evil in the world we do it by what we allow and by what we ourselves do and it's for this reason, Jesus came to save us from ourselves Houpe youre wrigth and sorry about my english. love will win | |
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ReginaCarman said: nurseV said: Maybe interpretation was the wrong term Of course they know the original meaning, but not every piece of art may mean a single thing to an artist. Maybe you should just ask Prince Of course every piece of Art that an Artist creates means something to the Artist who, composed or made it.
[Edited 9/29/08 16:49pm]  I said single as in one meaning implying that a piece of art may have more than one purpose Get it together Regina | |
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Graycap23 said: I was studying yesterday when the subject of Satan and music came up. The teacher started 2 point out how Rock music was 2 some degree a front for passing along satanic messages 2 the masses. During the conversation he mentioned Prince and the album cover of 1999. If u turn the album cover upside down, u can see the 666 (mark of the beast) and the word evil. That sort of took me by surprise but I could clearly see the point the teacher was trying 2 make about the 1999 album cover. Any thoughts on this?
If this has been discussed before, my apologies. Your instructor's choice--out of all of the self-proclaimed "santanic" heavy meal music bands--is interesting. Why the 1999 album cover to make his point; certainly there are tons more graphic album/CD covers that blatantly exhibit satanic ritual. If the album said "666" o.k., but 1999 upside down...thats a stretch. I think sometimes the concept of Rock N Roll, satanic ritual, drugs, sex, etc., get stuffed into one bag. Back in the day when the Beatles and Stones came onto the scene they were the anti-establishment bands; anything that looked like them or sounded like them challenged the status quo - so, the "majority" mindset was to demonize them and their lifestyles. In this day, however, Prince seems tame considering some of the bands of today. That's why your instructor's reference is kinda of silly. Reminds me of an English teacher I had once, he tried to convince us of how "ugly" the human body was -- then he got REALLY mad when the class didn't agree with him -- he got so RED and he was sputtering he was sooooo full of himself.
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This is another interesting thing...
If u take the multiples of 6, and apply them to each letter of the alphabet... A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 VWXYZ. And U add the Letters of C O M P U T E R C=18 O=90 M=78 P=96 U=126 T=120 E=30 R=108 _____ 666 Coincidental? Who Knows. [Edited 9/29/08 17:50pm] "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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nurseV said: ReginaCarman said: Of course every piece of Art that an Artist creates means something to the Artist who, composed or made it.
[Edited 9/29/08 16:49pm] I said single as in one meaning implying that a piece of art may have more than one purpose Get it together Regina Well thats just it, ur implying negativity. or u would be agreeing with me. | |
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at the same time P was singing about the end of the world and making references to revelations through out the song and his career, and the song is about dancing it all away instead of being consumed by it. I need more than just how the album appears to look upside down to support that Prince was into dark magic satan whatever, if the album covers does contain the word 'evil' it still supports the nature of the title track in a way [Edited 9/29/08 17:50pm] | |
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ReginaCarman said: nurseV said: I said single as in one meaning implying that a piece of art may have more than one purpose Get it together Regina Well thats just it, ur implying negativity. or u would be agreeing with me. It's cool Regina  I can agree with some of ur points and that is enough 4 me. | |
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nurseV said: ReginaCarman said: Of course every piece of Art that an Artist creates means something to the Artist who, composed or made it.
[Edited 9/29/08 16:49pm] I said single as in one meaning implying that a piece of art may have more than one purpose Get it together Regina Well thats just it, ur implying negativity. or u would be agreeing with me. Sorry , i wasn't sure it went thru the first time [Edited 9/29/08 18:33pm] | |
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When I was in grade school there was a nasty rumor going around that Prince worship the devil. The rumor was so known. That my mother came and in my bedroom while I was at school and tore all my Prince posters down and threw them away in the trash can. Of course i took them out and ironed them back straight when I got home.
They use to say if u play his music backwards he actually said he worship the devil. Its ironic now that Prince is so religious now. But if U are a fan of Prince U know he always been spiritual...All of that was a bunch of bull  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: When I was in grade school there was a nasty rumor going around that Prince worship the devil. The rumor was so known. That my mother came and in my bedroom while I was at school and tore all my Prince posters down and threw them away in the trash can. Of course i took them out and ironed them back straight when I got home.
They use to say if u play his music backwards he actually said he worship the devil. Its ironic now that Prince is so religious now. But if U are a fan of Prince U know he always been spiritual...All of that was a bunch of bull the backwards message on purple rain, at the end of "darling nikki", was specifically about jesus. everyone knows that. everyone knew that then. some people really just want to believe what they want to believe. | |
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ReginaCarman said: Flowers2 said: yeah, but do you know or have any experiences with witchcraft? folks really shouldn't get mad at hearing things like this..that Prince may have been involved in something 'deep' back in the past.. this is a topic no one wants to touch or even believe... Occult refers to Supernatural, Such as GOD. GOD is not LIFE, GOD is LOVE and could be referred to as being of the Supernatural because Supernatural means above LIFE. GOD is above LIFE he is LOVE. So the Occult deals with things that are better than life and above life. God has NOTHING to do with the occult. God's on one end, occults on the other. Occult stems from everything anti-God, that is in Christian terms at least.  | |
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nurseV said: ReginaCarman said: Well thats just it, ur implying negativity. or u would be agreeing with me. It's cool Regina I can agree with some of ur points and that is enough 4 me.Thank u | |
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I went to a catholic school and for a religious seminar. It was about rock music subliminal and satanic, and drug messages.
We talked about the song "stairway to heaven", and hotel california, beatles No. 9, Bridge over trouble waters, and yes.... Prince. I can't remember what song it was, I want to say Controversy, if you played the song backwards, you did hear english words. I tried to listen by taping the song and then twisting the tape so that it would play backward. When I heard a legible english word I freaked and stop listening. (I was a kid maybe 10 or 12 years old.) I think the part of the song were Prince is singing "I wish there was... I wish there was..." something about the "shhh" sound when reversed sounded like something legible english. I was SCARED OUT OF MY MIND! Incidentally, Prince went on to record a song that ended with a obvious subliminal message. I heard when played backwards the song was "jesus is coming! amen!" or something like that. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Twinkly1 said: Graycap23 said: I was studying yesterday when the subject of Satan and music came up. The teacher started 2 point out how Rock music was 2 some degree a front for passing along satanic messages 2 the masses. During the conversation he mentioned Prince and the album cover of 1999. If u turn the album cover upside down, u can see the 666 (mark of the beast) and the word evil. That sort of took me by surprise but I could clearly see the point the teacher was trying 2 make about the 1999 album cover. Any thoughts on this?
If this has been discussed before, my apologies. Your instructor's choice--out of all of the self-proclaimed "santanic" heavy meal music bands--is interesting. Why the 1999 album cover to make his point; certainly there are tons more graphic album/CD covers that blatantly exhibit satanic ritual. If the album said "666" o.k., but 1999 upside down...thats a stretch. I think sometimes the concept of Rock N Roll, satanic ritual, drugs, sex, etc., get stuffed into one bag. Back in the day when the Beatles and Stones came onto the scene they were the anti-establishment bands; anything that looked like them or sounded like them challenged the status quo - so, the "majority" mindset was to demonize them and their lifestyles. In this day, however, Prince seems tame considering some of the bands of today. That's why your instructor's reference is kinda of silly. Reminds me of an English teacher I had once, he tried to convince us of how "ugly" the human body was -- then he got REALLY mad when the class didn't agree with him -- he got so RED and he was sputtering he was sooooo full of himself.
 Admittingly the class does sound like a cheap foray into the subject. Plenty of evidence of the occult in music exist other than Prince. This is why school can be an utter joke. All education is self-education.
However, it should be noted there were REAL dabblings into the occult world by the Beatles and Rolling Stones. More info: http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=7 Some bands/individuals have a real interest in the occult, others clowns like SLAYER, have stated on record of being anti-Christian and just placing images, etc to get a rise out of people, so has said their guitarist Kerry King. Who knows how true it is. The forces you play with can start PLAYING WITH YOU and one may not even realize it. Especially in society today all these sadistic sick horror flicks and all this goth imagery. It's just plain negative. Alot of people on here mention Satan doesn't exist, God doesn't exist, all this stuff's fiction. You've convinced yourself of a certain worldview, however, historically there is so much evidence of individuals' (just from the music/art world alone) forays into these worlds, the consequences and often redemption. It's not a matter of opinion, it's historic FACT. Also, a satanic lifestyle can have nothing to do with rituals, etc., it's directly correlated to hedonism. Again, all education is self-education ultimately. I'm not trying to sound pompous or anything. I'm simply saying there's alot of crap out there, just because you haven't heard of it or the media not talking about it, doesn't mean there's other issues going on. Example>? Obama smokes. He may have quit recently but he was as of last year. Okay big deal...however: Anybody ever hear of this? Ever seen the image? Does it fit your image? What are your perception's based on? What you hear second hand? What others want you to know? My point is there's alot of illusion going on. IT'S WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW or WHAT THERE NOT TELLING YOU. Remember that folks.  | |
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If I were the Devil or God, I'd worship Prince! He kicks there ass man! | |
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realm said: If I were the Devil or God, I'd worship Prince! He kicks there ass man!
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Ugh.. this thread is bringing Prince.org down to a level I don't want to even think about. I'd rather have 100,000 "Prince is gay" threads than this baloney.
Christianity is stupid. And Slayer rules... at least up through 1994's Divine Intervention. | |
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ReginaCarman said: Thats what bothers me about some teachers, they start imposing their own interpretations or i should say misinterpretations into others people's artistic works. And they are wrong to do so. If the Artist/Author is not present to personally verify someone's elses interpretations or opinions, then i don't believe the person doing the interpreting, because i have my own mind and my own senses to makeup my own mind. Besides anyone who turns the number NINE upsidedown will see a six, and vise versa, thats just the intrinsic nature of those 2 numbers. i think that teacher was looking for ways to unfairly criticize Prince. Because in no way is the word Evil seen on that Album cover. That Professor should hear from God and Jesus.
Further more, i studuied literature in College and wrote my own Poetry. So i had some experiences where Profs try to push their own opinions or other's opinions on the students. Wrong and unfair. SOme of those Profs. used to make me so angry because they say that their interpretation is the only right one, that some other critic is right, or some other Professor who has a Master's in Literature.Why, just because they have a degree, and how do i know that they aren't acting out of Jealousy and or wrongful thought. One of my prof's argued with me over my own Poem and what i meant in it. Thats not fair. Or they have told me how i should say it. Art is personal and yet for the public to experience if the artist so chooses. But others should not twist someone else's artistic works into something negitive when it isn't. i could go on.and on and on. i wish i had a way to change wrongful doing immediately, but i don't so i hve to rely on Karma's wisdom of everything when its time and the right way. The good way. Not every Professor does the above. And i do understand that there has to be discussion and grading criteria. And i know there are many Fair Professors, Teachers and so called Critics. i am speaking specifically of unjust interpretations and/ or not allowing room to dismantle wrongful interpretations. i think changes should be made in the Artistic parts of Educational Institutes. Unless the Author can speak for himself i'm not going to believe some critic. AND another thing to consider especially in Archaic times, what if an Artist was under threat of himself or his family and wasn't able to defend himself and his works were there unable to be defended correctly. [Edited 9/29/08 9:48am] that's why i've outgrown teachers, don't need them and just tired of their hidden agendas. I don't like someone who is suppossed to do something as simple as help you turn on you and get in your way. They've often disliked me because of my personality, doesn't mesh well with being controlled or limited. Hell with em. | |
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ReginaCarman said: Occult refers to Supernatural, Such as GOD. GOD is not LIFE, GOD is LOVE and could be referred to as being of the Supernatural because Supernatural means above LIFE. GOD is above LIFE he is LOVE. So the Occult deals with things that are better than life and above life.
you didn't answer my questions... and no, you're wrong.. occult and what we're talking about (witchcraft) has nothing to do with God.. but it is the opposite.. | |
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Anxiety said: realm said: If I were the Devil or God, I'd worship Prince! He kicks there ass man!
Anx WTF!!!  | |
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There was also a thread about just the album cover of 1999 on here about 6 or 7 months ago. Several posted pics of the album cover. Some posted it normal, other's posted it upside down, sideways and every which other way. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
nammie "What BGZ says I believe. I have the biggest crush on him." http://ccoshea19.googlepa...ssanctuary http://ccoshea19.googlepages.com | |
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MrBiGsTuFf said: They still look like faces to me. | |
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MrBiGsTuFf said: oh my god, it looks like digital caricatures of the police...backwards!  | |
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wow , a 9 upside down is a 6 ? [Edited 9/30/08 6:33am] | |
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