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Thread started 09/15/08 12:54pm

Rakel

"Ain't no sense in votin"

Do u think prince is voting?
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Reply #1 posted 09/15/08 1:02pm

NDRU

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For a long time I didn't vote, but now I understand that it often really is a choice of the lesser of two evils.

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.
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Reply #2 posted 09/15/08 1:06pm

Flowers2

that's a good question.. with Prince, you never know... with all the political references in alot of his music, you'd think he would, but I don't know....
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Reply #3 posted 09/15/08 1:14pm

rstokey2

"Same soul with a different name....." Profound stuff right there. Though I understand his skepticism, I hope that he still participates in the process. Religion be damned.
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Reply #4 posted 09/15/08 1:37pm

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rstokey2 said:

"Same soul with a different name....." Profound stuff right there. Though I understand his skepticism, I hope that he still participates in the process. Religion be damned.


I don't think he supports the system. That's what I felt, too. Of two politicians, neither represents me if I don't believe in government. I do vote now though.
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Reply #5 posted 09/15/08 1:38pm

kenlacam

I don't blame him for not voting. It is choosing the lesser of 2 evils-unexperienced or Bush again.....
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Reply #6 posted 09/15/08 1:43pm

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kenlacam said:

I don't blame him for not voting. It is choosing the lesser of 2 evils-unexperienced or Bush again.....


When Bush became president I realized that it really did matter to me. Even though Gore won in my state (even without my vote), I didn't want to have any part in not preventing someone like Bush becoming president!

There really IS a difference!
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Reply #7 posted 09/15/08 1:47pm

zucris

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I gues he will do it
Forever in my life...
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Reply #8 posted 09/15/08 1:59pm

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If he's a democrat, he needs his ass beat for not voting. However, if he's a republican, he needs to stay his ass at home and not vote. If more of them would stay home, we might be able to finally get the idiots out of office.
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Reply #9 posted 09/15/08 2:05pm

DoctorMambo

rstokey2 said:

"Same soul with a different name....." Profound stuff right there. Though I understand his skepticism, I hope that he still participates in the process. Religion be damned.


Isn't it "same song with a different name"?
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Reply #10 posted 09/15/08 2:33pm

mELdOURADOsELV
AGEM

Is that a Prince quote? wink wink smile
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Reply #11 posted 09/15/08 2:35pm

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Judging by his lyrics alone, I'd say Prince is of the opinion that it's two sides of the same coin, although this particular election is pretty interesting even to outside observers or those who usually think there's not much different in the two party race these days.
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Reply #12 posted 09/15/08 2:37pm

Dayclear

I thought JW's didn't vote.
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Reply #13 posted 09/15/08 2:57pm

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vainandy said:

If he's a democrat, he needs his ass beat for not voting. However, if he's a republican, he needs to stay his ass at home and not vote. If more of them would stay home, we might be able to finally get the idiots out of office.

I can see P voting for Barak over McCain regardless of his affiliation.
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Reply #14 posted 09/15/08 2:58pm

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daPrettyman said:

vainandy said:

If he's a democrat, he needs his ass beat for not voting. However, if he's a republican, he needs to stay his ass at home and not vote. If more of them would stay home, we might be able to finally get the idiots out of office.

I can see P voting for Barak over McCain regardless of his affiliation.


I wonder if this election means more to him than previous ones.
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Reply #15 posted 09/15/08 6:01pm

DigMeNow

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I thought JW's didn't vote.



You are correct, Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT vote. They do not believe in governments-politicians ruling over the people. Basically, God selected Jesus Christ to be Ruler of His heavenly kingdom(government). Politicians could lie,cheat and commit immorality, so they basically do not want to do God's will. Many governments have been weak,cruel or corrupt.

As for Prince I can not speak for him,nor do I know what he personally believes. But according to the lyrics from Dear Mr.Man, "Listen, Ain't no sense in voting - same song with a different name" my educated guess is that No he does Not vote.

Also the following lyrics from Dear Mr. Man would also indicate that politicians/government are not doing God's will: "Who said that 2 kill is a sin, Then started every single war that Ur people been in?"
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Reply #16 posted 09/15/08 7:44pm

Tame

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Politics are really about policies, and where they are going to get the money to fulfill promises. I have voted...I do not believe that I am voting this year.

I appreciate everyone that has a place in the government, however, voting for cheif executive is a strong matter. I have to really believe in someone to go to the polls, otherwise, any member that is nominated is equally capable as my second choice, knowing there is a cabinet.
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Reply #17 posted 09/15/08 9:56pm

geo4you

He should!

And so should every American. You're fighting for democracy and freedom in the Middle East and other places on Planet Earth. But you won't vote in your own country? True democracy and freedom comes with responsibility and enlightenment. Get involved and VOTE for God's sake!
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Reply #18 posted 09/16/08 12:26am

ToraToraDreams

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I used to think that statement was SO stupid, but now I can see almost ninety nine percent wher he's coming from.
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Reply #19 posted 09/16/08 2:46pm

NDRU

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Tame said:

I have to really believe in someone to go to the polls, otherwise, any member that is nominated is equally capable as my second choice, knowing there is a cabinet.


to some degree, yes, they will all succeed in some ways and fail in others, and then make absolutely no difference in others. But there are real differences between candidates' beliefs!

For example, one current candidate believes in the war, one does not. That's a pretty fundamental difference. That doesn't mean Obama would be able to end it right away without his own disasters, but at least he doesn't support it.

I'm very fortunate that whatever happens hasn't affected me very much other than paying a bit more for gas, or my stocks go down a little. But visit Iraq and it is a different story. The decision to go to war is a huge one, we're just shielded from it more here in the US.
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Reply #20 posted 09/16/08 6:28pm

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JWs are not supposed to vote. That is probably why he said that.
However, if you think that you will get the same thing no matter who you vote for, you are a bit misguided. If nothing else, look at Supreme Court appointees. Compare the judicial records of Justice Thomas or Scalia to those of Justice Ginsburg or Breyer and tell me that Ds and Rs give the public the exact same thing.
The fact that most of the current justices are over 70 years of age and that the next retiree will be Stevens, someone who is committed to civil liberties should give anyone even slightly left of center enough reason to be interested in the outcome of the election.
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Reply #21 posted 09/16/08 10:50pm

Snap

newsflash for some of y'all...
it's not so much you voting for this person or that person
but instead it's the political party and the principles it represents


From: http://bradydaniels.com/?p=6 (now a broken link)
The two most prominent parties in the United States are the Republican and Democratic parties. Republicans are considered conservative while Democrats are labeled as liberal. As you read this article, the current party platforms will reveal the current positions that each party traditionally holds.

With accusations flying and the barb trading between each party, it can be hard to tell where they stand on certain issues. The “controversial” issues are listed below with each party’s traditional view.

Abortion
Democrats: It’s the woman’s right to choose and should therefore be legal.
Republicans: Taking away the life of an unborn child should not be legal and the government should restrict it as such.

Gun Control Laws
Democrats: More guns control laws are needed to address a seemly growing problem with guns.
Republicans: Oppose more gun control laws. Enforce the laws we do have rather than create new laws to address the situation.

Discrimination
Democrats: It’s up to the government to step in and provide a “safety net” to victims of this practice; otherwise people will take advantage of others.
Republicans: Strong anti-discrimination laws are unnecessary. Keep the laws modest because people have morals and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Military
Democrats: Decrease military spending to focus on other important issues. Utilize NATO and the UN; let’s always keep our friends involved.
Republicans: Increase military spending to maintain the finest military in the world. Sometimes we must go in alone because NATO and the UN don’t always act “tough enough” on important issues.

Gay Rights
Democrats: It’s part of their civil rights to be with whoever they choose.
Republicans: Marriage should be between people of the opposite sex: a man and woman

Minimum Wage
Democrats: Favor the workers and always seem to support minimum wages hikes. Wages should increase with inflation.
Republicans: Don’t normally favor minimum wage increases because it could hurt businesses, which in turn, could hurt the economy.

Death Penalty
Democrats: Taking someone’s life as a means of discipline is absurd.
Republicans: The death penalty is necessary to curb violent crimes.

Prayer in Schools
Democrats: There should be a separation between church and state; people have different beliefs and we should respect that.
Republicans: It’s part of our nation’s culture to place prayer in school and keep it that way.

Flag Burning
Democrats: Flag burning is acceptable and unpatriotic, but it falls under freedom of speech.
Republicans: Flag burning is unacceptable and unpatriotic, and is not what the constitution intended.

Natural Environment
Democrats: The environment needs to be protected and its the government’s job to enforce laws against harming the environment.
Republicans: The environment needs to be protected, but don’t make the laws too strong because it could do more harm than good.

Taxes
Democrats: The people with the most money should pay the most taxes; tax increases are mostly good.
Republicans: The entire economy can benefit if taxes remain relatively low; tax cuts are the way to go.

HealthCare
Democrats: Supports universal healthcare so every single person has access to affordable and effective healthcare coverage.
Republicans: Oppose universal healthcare coverage because government run healthcare leads to inefficiencies, long waiting periods, and often substandard healthcare.

It must be said again that these are the positions each party holds traditionally. Each candidate can hold to these view point strictly or they can mix it up a bit. It’s not uncommon to find a “liberal republican” or a “conservative democrat”. When it’s all said and done, it really depends on the person. However, the majority of democrats and republicans differ on the main issues as list above.


So now it comes down to what you believe and where you would like to make your stand. Most republicans and democrats don't agree with ALL of what their party stands for -- in fact, that's why there are many independents and third-party voters. But at the very least, we all should vote for the party that has what we believe to be our best interests at heart. My priorities may be different than yours (for many various reasons), and that's why I might vote differently than you, but hey... it's a free world and ain't it cool? We have a voice. And though small, we still have a choice. Vote. Though we may not all be governors and other political leaders, we do hold some political power. If we don't use it, the blood may be on our hands. And rightly so.

Vote, vote, vote. Especially those of you who agree with my beliefs. wink
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Reply #22 posted 09/16/08 11:58pm

paisley43

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Snap said:

newsflash for some of y'all...
it's not so much you voting for this person or that person
but instead it's the political party and the principles it represents


From: http://bradydaniels.com/?p=6 (now a broken link)
The two most prominent parties in the United States are the Republican and Democratic parties. Republicans are considered conservative while Democrats are labeled as liberal. As you read this article, the current party platforms will reveal the current positions that each party traditionally holds.

With accusations flying and the barb trading between each party, it can be hard to tell where they stand on certain issues. The “controversial” issues are listed below with each party’s traditional view.

Abortion
Democrats: It’s the woman’s right to choose and should therefore be legal.
Republicans: Taking away the life of an unborn child should not be legal and the government should restrict it as such.

Gun Control Laws
Democrats: More guns control laws are needed to address a seemly growing problem with guns.
Republicans: Oppose more gun control laws. Enforce the laws we do have rather than create new laws to address the situation.

Discrimination
Democrats: It’s up to the government to step in and provide a “safety net” to victims of this practice; otherwise people will take advantage of others.
Republicans: Strong anti-discrimination laws are unnecessary. Keep the laws modest because people have morals and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Military
Democrats: Decrease military spending to focus on other important issues. Utilize NATO and the UN; let’s always keep our friends involved.
Republicans: Increase military spending to maintain the finest military in the world. Sometimes we must go in alone because NATO and the UN don’t always act “tough enough” on important issues.

Gay Rights
Democrats: It’s part of their civil rights to be with whoever they choose.
Republicans: Marriage should be between people of the opposite sex: a man and woman

Minimum Wage
Democrats: Favor the workers and always seem to support minimum wages hikes. Wages should increase with inflation.
Republicans: Don’t normally favor minimum wage increases because it could hurt businesses, which in turn, could hurt the economy.

Death Penalty
Democrats: Taking someone’s life as a means of discipline is absurd.
Republicans: The death penalty is necessary to curb violent crimes.

Prayer in Schools
Democrats: There should be a separation between church and state; people have different beliefs and we should respect that.
Republicans: It’s part of our nation’s culture to place prayer in school and keep it that way.

Flag Burning
Democrats: Flag burning is acceptable and unpatriotic, but it falls under freedom of speech.
Republicans: Flag burning is unacceptable and unpatriotic, and is not what the constitution intended.

Natural Environment
Democrats: The environment needs to be protected and its the government’s job to enforce laws against harming the environment.
Republicans: The environment needs to be protected, but don’t make the laws too strong because it could do more harm than good.

Taxes
Democrats: The people with the most money should pay the most taxes; tax increases are mostly good.
Republicans: The entire economy can benefit if taxes remain relatively low; tax cuts are the way to go.

HealthCare
Democrats: Supports universal healthcare so every single person has access to affordable and effective healthcare coverage.
Republicans: Oppose universal healthcare coverage because government run healthcare leads to inefficiencies, long waiting periods, and often substandard healthcare.

It must be said again that these are the positions each party holds traditionally. Each candidate can hold to these view point strictly or they can mix it up a bit. It’s not uncommon to find a “liberal republican” or a “conservative democrat”. When it’s all said and done, it really depends on the person. However, the majority of democrats and republicans differ on the main issues as list above.


So now it comes down to what you believe and where you would like to make your stand. Most republicans and democrats don't agree with ALL of what their party stands for -- in fact, that's why there are many independents and third-party voters. But at the very least, we all should vote for the party that has what we believe to be our best interests at heart. My priorities may be different than yours (for many various reasons), and that's why I might vote differently than you, but hey... it's a free world and ain't it cool? We have a voice. And though small, we still have a choice. Vote. Though we may not all be governors and other political leaders, we do hold some political power. If we don't use it, the blood may be on our hands. And rightly so.

Vote, vote, vote. Especially those of you who agree with my beliefs. wink


Yours was a very interesting read. I agree with what you've
said here and I personally am NOT one extreme or the other
however, I am a registered Democrat and I DO lean more to
the left but am in the middle on certain things ONLY (maybe
two things). Other than that, I'm ALL LEFT. I can't really
say if Prince would vote or not-my guess is no. Especially
knowing that JW's do not vote (at least not from what I
understand of it). So I'm guessing he won't.
twocents
[Edited 9/17/08 0:00am]
"Sign of the times, will mess with your mind. Hurry before it's too late." Prince
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Reply #23 posted 09/17/08 10:15am

NDRU

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Darwintheorgangrinder said:

JWs are not supposed to vote. That is probably why he said that.
However, if you think that you will get the same thing no matter who you vote for, you are a bit misguided. If nothing else, look at Supreme Court appointees. Compare the judicial records of Justice Thomas or Scalia to those of Justice Ginsburg or Breyer and tell me that Ds and Rs give the public the exact same thing.
The fact that most of the current justices are over 70 years of age and that the next retiree will be Stevens, someone who is committed to civil liberties should give anyone even slightly left of center enough reason to be interested in the outcome of the election.


exactly, and beyond the rules for JW's I think some people (like the younger me) simply may not take the time to look closely at politicians but rather dismiss them all as a bunch of old rich white men--a group that even Obama & Hillary fit in with fairly well.
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Reply #24 posted 09/18/08 11:06pm

unkleg

If JW's did vote, they could canvasss at the same time as doing their housecalls. Multitasking, everyone take note.

Remember that old story of Prince and Larry Graham turning up at a Jewish ladies house for a chat? If it were my house, I'd have said, "I'll listen as long as you sing what you have to say." wink
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