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PrintableButterscotchPimp said: L4OATheOriginal said: i think bp went in2 the studio with his "funk collabarators" 2 recut a song called "talking loud and saying shit" cause that's all he's been doing. he wants xamples but doesn't provide nothing on his own except fruit at the bottom..which is a funky song but compared 2 say hmmm la la la he he hee which came out around the same time...lawd have mercy he needs his ears cleaned
I swear i need to send some of ya'll to Sylvan, because it really seems to be difficult for some of you to READ. I DID NOT offer up "Fruit At The Bottom" as an example of "funk". What i asked for (and STILL never got from the person that maintains that W&L are "funkless" and Prince is a "funk-god") is how when Gray offered up "Scarlet Pussy" as an example of "funk" is how that PARTICULAR TRACK is DRAMATICALLY FUNKIER than say "Fruit On The Bottom". ugh. i could totally get all middle school and start with the insults, but i think i'm getting the gist of what i was looking for. a few folks get it, the majority of the kool-aid-kids read three words and go on the attack defending the honor of their "purple saviour". i expected as much. okay let me help u out then scarlet pussy is funky in it's beats, vocals and the guitar licks fruit at the bottom is funky only in the chorus and it's mainly just vocals there! satisfied now? u need ur bah bah now? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: L4OATheOriginal said: now now grey ..between u, myself and cam he'll resort 2 calling us kool aid drinkers ..  
"kool-aid is, as kool-aid does....." "azzfinkersaidwhat is azzfinkersaid what"  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: FuNkeNsteiN said: A-fucking-men, brother. This is what I've been trying to say over here for quite some time, but these fools just won't listen 
Prince can be funky at times, yes. Is he a funk artist? Fuck no. He doesn't even come close. Stop pretending like Prince is the be all and end all of funk. He isn't.
Suffice it to say, i KNEW if there was ONE SOUL on this board that would understand where I was coming from, it would be YOU. 
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L4OATheOriginal said: ButterscotchPimp said: Again, you've already admitted you didn't even read this and just jumped in and assumed what was being said so nevermind. Shocking. At the time of posting my original comment, i hadn't read the whole thread which was ummm 2 pages at the time in order 4 me 2 know already how it was gonna lead out...and i haven't been proved otherwise after 5 pages now. so yet in still, my original post STILL STANDS in saying that u haven't proven a damn thing in how prince is more funkier without the revolution in terms of his music and the musicians he has employed since then.
Here you come, at the END of the conversation still trying to talk about what YOU'RE talking about and ignoring what EVERYONE ELSE is talking about. I know you're all salty because you feel like you didn't get to "put me in my place" in the other thread, so now you're in here trying to do the same. Again, this had NOTHING TO DO WITH "REVOLUTION vs NPG". It's kinda cute that you're so fired up about what i think though. I'm almost flattered. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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alexandernevermind said: Ok..my .02 for what it's worth...
Prince is a musical alchemist. He dips his toes in lots of genres. Sometimes he creates very original unique music because of it, and sometimes the music he creates are watered down versions of the genre. Jazz, funk, rock, rap, metal, classical....he's done them all. It's almost like he has musical ADD. He's knows enough about each one to dabble, but he really shines when he ignores his ego and just creates something original without trying to prove that he can play "X" style of music as good or better than someone else. So....what does that have to do with the original question? My opinion....he's not the standard bearer of funk, nor does he belong in the pantheon of great funk artists, but that in no way diminishes his musical ability or his musical respect from his fans and peers. He's found ways to incorporate elements of funk into his music and make it his own, and at times it has been both incredible and not entirely funky both at the same time. We are in agreement. Thanks. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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L4OATheOriginal said: ButterscotchPimp said: Why is it that some of ya'll insist on dragging other thread topics onto this one, when it doesn't apply? Again, i'm not telling anyone that their opinion is "wrong" (well with the few of ya'll that really don't have a grasp of what funk music is, and even then it's my opinion), i was more looking for why some people in here have decided that Prince is somehow a torch-bearer for the funk. Again i'm talking about by the definition of the genre, NOT saying Prince isn't funky. 2 different things here! r u getting so twisted in ur own words that u can't remember what u say? okay let me help u out..u look at ur initial comment that started this thread and u went ahead and talked about another thread in ur original comment. so u brung it on ya self  ya just got hit by the bop gun 4 being so unfunky!!!
you are straight up COMICAL! what are you doing? have you even read any of this thread? or at least the last 4 pages or so? this actually turned into quite a positive discussion (much to my surprise) and for once i actually got what i was looking for in asking for opinions on here. and you come in here, AT THE END, WITH THAT????
"ya just got hit by the bop gun 4 being so unfunky!!!!!' lemme guess. it took you all night rehearsing how you were going to come back at me on here, and that was what you thought was going to "set me straight"? awwww. poor thing. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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L4OATheOriginal said: ButterscotchPimp said: I swear i need to send some of ya'll to Sylvan, because it really seems to be difficult for some of you to READ. I DID NOT offer up "Fruit At The Bottom" as an example of "funk". What i asked for (and STILL never got from the person that maintains that W&L are "funkless" and Prince is a "funk-god") is how when Gray offered up "Scarlet Pussy" as an example of "funk" is how that PARTICULAR TRACK is DRAMATICALLY FUNKIER than say "Fruit On The Bottom". ugh. i could totally get all middle school and start with the insults, but i think i'm getting the gist of what i was looking for. a few folks get it, the majority of the kool-aid-kids read three words and go on the attack defending the honor of their "purple saviour". i expected as much. okay let me help u out then scarlet pussy is funky in it's beats, vocals and the guitar licks fruit at the bottom is funky only in the chorus and it's mainly just vocals there! satisfied now? u need ur bah bah now? um, wow. that's your "explanation"? i'd try to actually break these 2 songs down in their construction and find that they're really not that different, but you don't want to have a discussion that's obvious. you're more interested in reclaiming your "Org-cred" with your little pals. and it's just getting worse. that "bop-gun" hilarity, and now you've hit me with the "bah bah" bomb. wow. you told me. well done. you're "Org-cool" again. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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L4OATheOriginal said: ButterscotchPimp said:
"kool-aid is, as kool-aid does....." "azzfinkersaidwhat is azzfinkersaid what" and you go all "Wayne's World" on me. dude. seriously. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: L4OATheOriginal said: At the time of posting my original comment, i hadn't read the whole thread which was ummm 2 pages at the time in order 4 me 2 know already how it was gonna lead out...and i haven't been proved otherwise after 5 pages now. so yet in still, my original post STILL STANDS in saying that u haven't proven a damn thing in how prince is more funkier without the revolution in terms of his music and the musicians he has employed since then.
Here you come, at the END of the conversation still trying to talk about what YOU'RE talking about and ignoring what EVERYONE ELSE is talking about. I know you're all salty because you feel like you didn't get to "put me in my place" in the other thread, so now you're in here trying to do the same. Again, this had NOTHING TO DO WITH "REVOLUTION vs NPG". It's kinda cute that you're so fired up about what i think though. I'm almost flattered. sorry that my life isn't spent at my pc on the org all day like ur's seems 2 b..hence i come in 2day 2 c what has happend since i last left and i know this isn't a revolution vs npg thread..  but u can't prove me wrong if it was anyway 
and i'm still waiting 4 u 2 stop talking shit and put up ur xamples of funk which u STILL haven't done man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: L4OATheOriginal said: okay let me help u out then scarlet pussy is funky in it's beats, vocals and the guitar licks fruit at the bottom is funky only in the chorus and it's mainly just vocals there! satisfied now? u need ur bah bah now? um, wow. that's your "explanation"? i'd try to actually break these 2 songs down in their construction and find that they're really not that different, but you don't want to have a discussion that's obvious. you're more interested in reclaiming your "Org-cred" with your little pals. and it's just getting worse. that "bop-gun" hilarity, and now you've hit me with the "bah bah" bomb. wow. you told me. well done. you're "Org-cool" again. i've been waiting what 9 pages later 4 u finally 2 take ur finger out of ur ass and say something 2 prove that u know what funk is. all we all get instead is YOUR opinion instead of listing facts, but then u want 2 highfive funkenstein cause at least he MAKES HIS CASE where as u go ring around the rosie with shit.. it's time 4 u 2 either put up of shut the fuck up ..plain and simple man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: ...dude. seriously. Exactly Butterscotch! I mean we're on like what...the 9th page of this nonsense! Prince is funky, but not a FUNK artist? Like you said...dude, seriously? I mean, I can put in a light bulb. Does that mean I'm electric, but not an electrician? You see how dumb that sounds? According to your argument, Prince isn't a FUNK artist to be mentioned in the same breath as someone like say...Sly, Mr Clinton, or JB. Although I'd aggressively disagree, I'll humor you and roll with that for a second. What you should then point out is how P is far more musically versatile then they were (or continue to be). If you get past the FUNK thing (and yourself) and look at the bigger pictute, it can be argued that these guys couldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Prince in that regard...plain and simple!! Just my 2 cents... | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: L4OATheOriginal said: "azzfinkersaidwhat is azzfinkersaid what" and you go all "Wayne's World" on me. dude. seriously. Too bad it's "A sphincter says what?" 
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ButterscotchPimp said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Put it like this, on the old AOL Prince board there was once a long assed thread about people who thought that "Raspberry Beret" was "funky" and a funk song. And a handful of people who would roll our eyes and and say "that ain't funk". "Raspberry Beret"? "funky"? Exactly. And while I will say Prince has done some funk songs. That is not one of them.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ThirdStrike said: If you get past the FUNK thing (and yourself) and look at the bigger pictute, it can be argued that these guys couldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Prince in that regard...plain and simple!!
You're right, George, James and Sly should never be mentioned in the same breath as the GENIUS who brought us 'Mr. Goodnight' and 'Jughead'! Surely the aforementioned trio could never even come close to writing such works of art! Oh Prince  It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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FuNkeNsteiN said: ThirdStrike said: If you get past the FUNK thing (and yourself) and look at the bigger pictute, it can be argued that these guys couldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Prince in that regard...plain and simple!!
You're right, George, James and Sly should never be mentioned in the same breath as the GENIUS who brought us 'Mr. Goodnight' and 'Jughead'! Surely the aforementioned trio could never even come close to writing such works of art! Oh Prince One who goes 2 EXTREMES 2 prove his point.....had no point at all. | |
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Graycap23 said: FuNkeNsteiN said: You're right, George, James and Sly should never be mentioned in the same breath as the GENIUS who brought us 'Mr. Goodnight' and 'Jughead'! Surely the aforementioned trio could never even come close to writing such works of art! Oh Prince One who goes 2 EXTREMES 2 prove his point.....had no point at all. Exactly what I was thinking Gray! I guess FuNkeNsteiN is the kind of person who believes the height of Muhammad Ali's career is his loss to Leon Spinks...
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MrSoulpower said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Were they popluar? Did they chart? What was the position? What were the singles or hits from them. I'm not talking about compiliations, reissues, or greatest hits with bonus tracks things like that I'm talking about flat out full new albums that generated a funk hit. What does this have to do with hits and chart success? Brown was never about that. He never even had a #1 hit on the pop chart. He was successful on the R&B chart only. I argued that Brown has released some great albums in the mid- to late 1970s, and it would be hard to argue against that. As I posted before: Hell was released right after Payback. I don't think you'd argue against tracks like Papa don't take no mess, would you? That album was followed by Reality, which had Funky President. Then came Sex Machine Today, Mutha Nature, Get up offa that thing, Bodyheat, Jam 1980s and more ... Well I asked if it was popular because that's what the portion of this debate I was responding to. A poster said that "funk was damn near dead" by the time Prince came along. I took that to mean on a decline as a specific popular urban music genre. Popular meaning the singles/albums released were successful with their target audience as a whole. I agreed with that part of the posters statement and provided some examples. I didn't say any of the artists I listed quit putting out albums/singles. I said they weren't as successful in the funk genre as they once were. But please answer the question, where did JB songs you listed chart? And no, I don't think Prince revived the funk genre specifically when he came along. Over time be began fusing a lot of different genres to create a unique new sound. and his first two albums were basically post disco R&B with a little rock flavor sprinkled in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ButterscotchPimp said: laurarichardson said: ----- "I said he's not a funk artist and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as George, James and Sly as far as "funk" goes." We all get what you are saying we just don't agree. P is a funk artist and he deserves to be mention in the same breath as George, James and Sly. He is the only guy trying to do "funk" now and selling out large venues, which means people are interested in hearing what he is doing. In my opinion he deserves a medal for keeping "funk" as a musical genre around. Yes, we definately disagree as i maintain Prince has done NOTHING to "keep funk alive". Not the genre. But we can have different opinions, i just wanted to understand the mindset and i get it now. It was pretty much what i thought. The music-heads get what i'm saying and the fams once again take any criticism of Prince even if it's constructive as a personal attack and want to crucify the messenger. Ah, i love the Org. ----- Keeping a genre alive would mean actually performing that style of music. As far as I know, P is still performing “funk” cuts live as well as recording. I do not see the old funk mob doing too much recording these days and few bands are out on the road but they do not and well not ever have the showmanship that P has therefore, right now, he is the torchbearer for funk. You do not have to like it but the facts are the facts. The issue is you do not care for his “funk” but the vast majority of music scholars and critics would disagree with you as well as the music buying and listening audience. The music-heads that agree with you are never going to give P the “funk’ title because he mixes it and delves in other genre which, according to the funk gods is not allowed. I say more power to Prince for being mulit-talented across many genres and all the haters can claim that he has Purple-Kool-Aid drinkers in his camp but you cannot keep a career going for 30 plus years from a few crazed fans. You have an opinion I have the facts. Deal with it. | |
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You know what the main problem is that I have with how you are arguing your points Butterscotch? It's not the criticisms of P, but how you are stating them as fact.
You say you are offering your opinion, but then make declarations like "Prince has done NOTHING to "keep funk alive". How is that opinion when you state is as fact? One could of course argue that he's keeping FUNK alive as I type this! I mean, is there any real, true funk acts in today's musical climate? Sure, you have some of the artists you've mentioned still performing. But, how many of them are releasing new music on a regular basis? And, if any of them were to do so, most would look at the material as a rehashing of old shit. That's the problem with being one-dimensional...it can be easily predicted... I'm all about open debate. And, I do have respect for others' opinions. But, when I'm being dictated to, expect an aggressive retort... | |
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ThirdStrike said: You know what the main problem is that I have with how you are arguing your points Butterscotch? It's not the criticisms of P, but how you are stating them as fact.
You say you are offering your opinion, but then make declarations like "Prince has done NOTHING to "keep funk alive". How is that opinion when you state is as fact? One could of course argue that he's keeping FUNK alive as I type this! I mean, is there any real, true funk acts in today's musical climate? Sure, you have some of the artists you've mentioned still performing. But, how many of them are releasing new music on a regular basis? And, if any of them were to do so, most would look at the material as a rehashing of old shit. That's the problem with being one-dimensional...it can be easily predicted... I'm all about open debate. And, I do have respect for others' opinions. But, when I'm being dictated to, expect an aggressive retort... Co sign. | |
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The Funk is a living creature about the size of a medicine ball covered in tits.
It crashed down on Bootsy Collins house and the tasty shakes coming from those titties made Bootsy slap the base like some kind of delirious funky priest. George Clinton was goofing around with the funk and kicked it off the mothership on July 2nd 1979... But that's all right cause the Funk said he was done with that shit, cause they didn't listen to him anyway, they just wanted him for his funky produce. I believe Old Greg is in possesion of the funk now... | |
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ThirdStrike said: ButterscotchPimp said: ...dude. seriously. Exactly Butterscotch! I mean we're on like what...the 9th page of this nonsense! Prince is funky, but not a FUNK artist? Like you said...dude, seriously? I mean, I can put in a light bulb. Does that mean I'm electric, but not an electrician? You see how dumb that sounds? According to your argument, Prince isn't a FUNK artist to be mentioned in the same breath as someone like say...Sly, Mr Clinton, or JB. Although I'd aggressively disagree, I'll humor you and roll with that for a second. What you should then point out is how P is far more musically versatile then they were (or continue to be). If you get past the FUNK thing (and yourself) and look at the bigger pictute, it can be argued that these guys couldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Prince in that regard...plain and simple!! Just my 2 cents...
what is obvious to some, is clearly difficult for others to wrap their brain around. Prince isn't a "funk artist" in my mind. Yes, that is different from him being "funky" on occasion. Notice how i said "in my mind" back a few words ago? No one is saying that Prince isn't the more versatile and talented musician OVERALL. but that wasn't the question/discussion. for the millionth time i was trying to get at the root of where some people got the idea that Prince is a "funk artist" when in my mind he's obviously not. he's a pop artist that uses elements of other genres (yes, even funk) in creating his own distinct sound. that is drastically different from him being viewed as a funk artist or even being prolific in the genre. there have been on this thread, a few examples of tracks that are certainly "funky" but as far as the funk genre is concerned may not be considered "funk". So yes, where Prince cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the aforementioned funk legends as far as pure funk is concerned, no one is saying that these guys can be mentioned in the same breath as Prince from a pop or even overall musicianship standpoint. good lord, some of ya'll have your purple panties in a bunch as far as i'm concerned. and i didn't get your little "electrician" example at ALL. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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FuNkeNsteiN said: ButterscotchPimp said: and you go all "Wayne's World" on me. dude. seriously. Too bad it's "A sphincter says what?"
'azzfinkersaidwhat' Yeah, i was thinking about pointing that out and decided against it. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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FuNkeNsteiN said: ThirdStrike said: If you get past the FUNK thing (and yourself) and look at the bigger pictute, it can be argued that these guys couldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Prince in that regard...plain and simple!!
You're right, George, James and Sly should never be mentioned in the same breath as the GENIUS who brought us 'Mr. Goodnight' and 'Jughead'! Surely the aforementioned trio could never even come close to writing such works of art! Oh Prince http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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Much of his stuff is not actually funky, only from a colder place. Hard to dance to lots of his grooves. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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On a one to ten, with ten being the funkiest, what would we score Erotic City. I feel it deserves to be labled funky.
I don't think we should just call anything with Camele's (spelled wrong I know) voice in it as funky.Even though the voice could be thought of as a little funky, a funky bone does not make a funky body. Also, Fruit on the bottom? I don't know this song. We are all so full of  here | |
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laurarichardson said: ButterscotchPimp said: Yes, we definately disagree as i maintain Prince has done NOTHING to "keep funk alive". Not the genre. But we can have different opinions, i just wanted to understand the mindset and i get it now. It was pretty much what i thought. The music-heads get what i'm saying and the fams once again take any criticism of Prince even if it's constructive as a personal attack and want to crucify the messenger. Ah, i love the Org. ----- Keeping a genre alive would mean actually performing that style of music. As far as I know, P is still performing “funk” cuts live as well as recording. I do not see the old funk mob doing too much recording these days and few bands are out on the road but they do not and well not ever have the showmanship that P has therefore, right now, he is the torchbearer for funk. You do not have to like it but the facts are the facts. The issue is you do not care for his “funk” but the vast majority of music scholars and critics would disagree with you as well as the music buying and listening audience. The music-heads that agree with you are never going to give P the “funk’ title because he mixes it and delves in other genre which, according to the funk gods is not allowed. I say more power to Prince for being mulit-talented across many genres and all the haters can claim that he has Purple-Kool-Aid drinkers in his camp but you cannot keep a career going for 30 plus years from a few crazed fans. You have an opinion I have the facts. Deal with it. That is so cute! You told me!!!! "you have an opinion, and i have FACTS!"
The fact that you think the Prince has "kept the funk going" by "performing funk cuts" is an opinion darlin, not a fact. and is quite debatable, which was the point of this. but again, i don't get why ya'll keep running in here LATE trying to make your points NOW when the convo is over for the most part. Prince isn't "the torchbearer for the funk" and never was. and a self admitted kool-aid-kid certainly isn't going to concede that Prince isn't the master of any genre of music, so i get where you're coming from. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ThirdStrike said: You know what the main problem is that I have with how you are arguing your points Butterscotch? It's not the criticisms of P, but how you are stating them as fact.
You say you are offering your opinion, but then make declarations like "Prince has done NOTHING to "keep funk alive". How is that opinion when you state is as fact? One could of course argue that he's keeping FUNK alive as I type this! I mean, is there any real, true funk acts in today's musical climate? Sure, you have some of the artists you've mentioned still performing. But, how many of them are releasing new music on a regular basis? And, if any of them were to do so, most would look at the material as a rehashing of old shit. That's the problem with being one-dimensional...it can be easily predicted... I'm all about open debate. And, I do have respect for others' opinions. But, when I'm being dictated to, expect an aggressive retort... Again, for the zillionth time, a lot of ya'll don't like me. I get it!!! But how many times during the course of this thread have i said over and over and over again, about these being my opinions, or qualifying statements with "in my mind" or ending with "we'll just have to disagree" before ya'll actually listen to what i'm saying? I swear it's like ya'll see my name and don't even bother to read what i'm writing. You have an idea in your head that i'm a "Prince-hater" that's just around to cause trouble and put the man down and insult some kool-aid-kids. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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2freaky4church1 said: Much of his stuff is not actually funky, only from a colder place. Hard to dance to lots of his grooves.
Co-sign. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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hollywooddove said: On a one to ten, with ten being the funkiest, what would we score Erotic City. I feel it deserves to be labled funky.
I don't think we should just call anything with Camele's (spelled wrong I know) voice in it as funky.Even though the voice could be thought of as a little funky, a funky bone does not make a funky body. Also, Fruit on the bottom? I don't know this song. Again, for Erotic City being "funky" i'd give it a ten cuz i love the song. HOWEVER, i wouldn't necessarily call Erotic City a "funk" song. I know that it's confusing as hell for some of ya'll to grasp the difference, but there is one. I know a lot of the fams are guilty of everytime P dusts off the "Camille" voice they think it's "funky". Fruit On The Bottom is the title track from Wendy and Lisa's sophomore release on Columbia from 1989. It definately in my mind has a "Revolution" feel to it. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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