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Reply #30 posted 07/22/08 3:15pm

TheEnglishGent

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A worse change was:

23 scriptures in a one night stand
Gett Off.

As sung on the Rave Un2 the year 2000 DVD.
[Edited 7/23/08 7:44am]
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Reply #31 posted 07/22/08 3:19pm

vainandy

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No, it didn't make me mad. The song sounded the same. As for the name change, I just thought he had slipped a little more into La La Land than he already was.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #32 posted 07/22/08 3:33pm

gyro34

TheEnglishGent said:

A worse change was:

21 scriptures in a one night stand
Gett Off.

As sung on the Rave Un2 the year 2000 DVD.


nod Larry, the Tommyknocker had taken Prince's brain hostage.
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Reply #33 posted 07/22/08 5:18pm

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remko said:

viewaskew said:

As stupid as 1999: The New Master.



1999 the new master, now that is a total and utter rape of the original. What was he thinking?

It could be worse, he could have said "There's a Bible in my pocket and I'm ready for praising the Lord.."
Not too far from "23 scriptures in a 1 night stand.."
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Reply #34 posted 07/22/08 6:06pm

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I'm not religious, but I never had a problem with it. The song was always about Jesus anyway, so it's not as though he 'changed' the meaning of the song or anything.
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Reply #35 posted 07/22/08 6:36pm

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Genesia said:

First of all...spell it correctly. It's "The Christ." Christ - not Crist. (That's what the "go back to school" comment was about.)

Secondly...what's the big deal? The Cross was a metaphor for Christ. He just dumped the metaphor in favor of a more literal lyric. Big whoop.


I know that with Jesus...there are many perspectives of the crucifixion...Through my eyes..."The Christ," is a perspective of Jesus waiting in pain...and "The Cross," is the revelation of the ascension....I won't put a cross with Jesus hanging on it in my home...I only involve myself with the escape from pain...

The symbol is dying to the personality...that is the last nail...that in turn opens the grave...as we surrender to Jesus on the throne of our hearts....Not at the crossroads where all people can meet at the door. dove
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Reply #36 posted 07/22/08 7:53pm

jmfd

yes.
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Reply #37 posted 07/22/08 8:12pm

jonnymon

I think that I've posted on this before....the lyric change didn't bother me, but the speech I heard during the Jam of the Year Tour did. I remember his words exactly as he explained the greek word in the bible that people translated as "Cross" was "Staros", which could mean a long straight beam or pole. This means if it were a straight pole, Christ would have been crusified not on a cross, but with his arms nailed above his head. Anyway, he said:

"Staros. Perhaps someone lied about the way someone died."

Just plain arrogant in my opinion. Larry Graham tells him, 'Yo man, Jesus died on a stake, not a cross," and this MF has to go out and cast doubt in people's minds about the long believed method of his saviors death. Dumb.

Hey P, how about this.... "It ain't the way, but the why."
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Reply #38 posted 07/22/08 9:22pm

jstar69

my response is simple - why fuck with something that was perfect from the get-go....

we never hear him utter the original lyrics live on stage again (damn blast and set fire to it), BUT thankgod we have the live SOTT version (which rocks) - he cant take that away from us...
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Reply #39 posted 07/23/08 5:00am

remko

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jstar69 said:

my response is simple - why fuck with something that was perfect from the get-go....

we never hear him utter the original lyrics live on stage again (damn blast and set fire to it), BUT thankgod we have the live SOTT version (which rocks) - he cant take that away from us...


Thats is absolutely great, better than the one during the Lovesexy show (my pipi, she might be small eek ) But I must say i also like the Rave DVD-version. (except the part with Larry singing).
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Reply #40 posted 07/23/08 5:01am

DANGEROUSx

The Christ. neutral
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Reply #41 posted 07/23/08 6:23am

abigail05

jonnymon said:

I think that I've posted on this before....the lyric change didn't bother me, but the speech I heard during the Jam of the Year Tour did. I remember his words exactly as he explained the greek word in the bible that people translated as "Cross" was "Staros", which could mean a long straight beam or pole. This means if it were a straight pole, Christ would have been crusified not on a cross, but with his arms nailed above his head. Anyway, he said:

"Staros. Perhaps someone lied about the way someone died."

Just plain arrogant in my opinion. Larry Graham tells him, 'Yo man, Jesus died on a stake, not a cross," and this MF has to go out and cast doubt in people's minds about the long believed method of his saviors death. Dumb.

Hey P, how about this.... "It ain't the way, but the why."


I remember, and that shit did piss me off. Larry Graham, you ass...
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Reply #42 posted 07/23/08 7:50am

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abigail05 said:

I wouldn't say it made me mad as hell, but it definitely annoyed me.

Same with whatever the hell cd that was...Gold Experience? when he stopped saying "May U Live 2 See the Dawn" and instead wrote "Welcome 2 the Dawn". I was just like, what the hell? I thought you were talking about Jesus, not this stupid-ass album with no good songs.

Pretty much the last nail in that coffin as far as I was concerned. I haven't truly been a fan since. Very disappointing.


'The Gold Experience' was a terrible album, but i don't mind the dawn change.

As far as the subject, I didn't mind the change 2 "The Cross", but I do prefer the original lyrics. It really doesn't matter, as the song is about suffering, sacrifice, and having faith through it all. The cross represents sacrifice, as does Jesus' life, so there U have it.
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Reply #43 posted 07/23/08 7:51am

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Genesia said:

First of all...spell it correctly. It's "The Christ." Christ - not Crist. (That's what the "go back to school" comment was about.)

Secondly...what's the big deal? The Cross was a metaphor for Christ. He just dumped the metaphor in favor of a more literal lyric. Big whoop.


RIGHT ON!


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Reply #44 posted 07/23/08 9:54am

viewaskew

UniversalSon said:

remko said:




1999 the new master, now that is a total and utter rape of the original. What was he thinking?

It could be worse, he could have said "There's a Bible in my pocket and I'm ready for praising the Lord.."
Not too far from "23 scriptures in a 1 night stand.."


He saved that nonsense for his reworked version of "I Feel For You." "Spiritually attracted to you?" PLEASE rolleyes
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Reply #45 posted 07/23/08 10:12am

Imago

TheEnglishGent said:

A worse change was:

23 scriptures in a one night stand
Gett Off.

As sung on the Rave Un2 the year 2000 DVD.
[Edited 7/23/08 7:44am]


The worst thing about that wasn't the religous aspect but the fact that it just didn't make any sense. lol
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Reply #46 posted 07/23/08 10:20am

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abigail05 said:

I wouldn't say it made me mad as hell, but it definitely annoyed me.

Same with whatever the hell cd that was...Gold Experience? when he stopped saying "May U Live 2 See the Dawn" and instead wrote "Welcome 2 the Dawn". I was just like, what the hell? I thought you were talking about Jesus, not this stupid-ass album with no good songs.

Pretty much the last nail in that coffin as far as I was concerned. I haven't truly been a fan since. Very disappointing.



i have taken that saying as may u wake up 2 c another day but now, if u listen 2 the original version of come where he's saying "this is the dawning of a new spirtiual revolution" could b quite interepeted as when he was saying may u live 2 c the dawn, well the dawn has arrived 2 a new spiritual way of life..
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #47 posted 07/23/08 10:21am

syble

remko said:

viewaskew said:

As stupid as 1999: The New Master.



1999 the new master, now that is a total and utter rape of the original. What was he thinking?



yup!!!!! awful!
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Reply #48 posted 07/23/08 10:22am

bjt57

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Never was one of my favorites either way you say it
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Reply #49 posted 07/23/08 10:53am

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"4 those of u that miss the old lyrics, that says more about u than me" - prince xenophobia celebration 2002

and this is very true, a lot of times on threads people r quick 2 blame larry or can't accept that prince's religious views have changed which is his right 2 do so. but since JW's r quick 2 be damned and burned at a stake i often wonder if prince chose 2 b another devout of another religion, would people b quick 2 condemn him 4 changing the lyrics 2 reflect those views then. everyone has their own belief in God (or not) and prince has his own.

like some have said in other threads about prince's music, it's not the 1st time nor likely the last he will include spiritual messages in his music.

peace
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #50 posted 07/23/08 2:16pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

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like some have said in other threads about prince's music, it's not the 1st time nor likely the last he will include spiritual messages in his music.

peace


You mean The Cross did not include a spritual message? wink
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Reply #51 posted 07/23/08 3:09pm

TheEnglishGent

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Imago said:

TheEnglishGent said:

A worse change was:

23 scriptures in a one night stand
Gett Off.

As sung on the Rave Un2 the year 2000 DVD.


The worst thing about that wasn't the religous aspect but the fact that it just didn't make any sense. lol
Exactly! So stupid.
RIP sad
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Reply #52 posted 07/23/08 6:31pm

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i love all his quirky shit, anyway i thought he was supposed 2 be the king of re hash?
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Reply #53 posted 07/24/08 5:37am

viewaskew

L4OATheOriginal said:

"4 those of u that miss the old lyrics, that says more about u than me" - prince xenophobia celebration 2002

and this is very true, a lot of times on threads people r quick 2 blame larry or can't accept that prince's religious views have changed which is his right 2 do so. but since JW's r quick 2 be damned and burned at a stake i often wonder if prince chose 2 b another devout of another religion, would people b quick 2 condemn him 4 changing the lyrics 2 reflect those views then. everyone has their own belief in God (or not) and prince has his own.

like some have said in other threads about prince's music, it's not the 1st time nor likely the last he will include spiritual messages in his music.

peace


Yes, it says more about us than him. We appreciate quality & context. Not idiotic revisionism.

Bizarre nature of the JW "faith" aside, there has always been a spiritual element to Prince's music & to a degree, it has been appreciated & has even made some of his music more powerful. But when the spirituality bunk gets poured too heavily into the mix (Gett Off, I Feel For You, etc.), it's invasive.

When he goes back & changes lyrics to suit his new beliefs, it spoils the recollection of what made the song memorable in the first place? If he felt that strongly, shouldn't "The Cross" have been renamed "The Stauros?" It should have, but he probably realized that some concessions still need to be made to good sense. I wish he'd realize that more often.
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Reply #54 posted 07/24/08 7:34am

jcurley

I thought it was rather arsey of Prince to change it. It's almost as if he doesn't understand his own lyrics. The Cross is a burden in the lyrics and supposedly he's saying we all have one. The jehovah take that the actual cross is a misrepresentation of what happened is irrelevant and Prince as a grown man should understand that. The symbolic history of the cross should surely be the pertinent aspect of the lyric. I don't believe P should constantly "Re educate" because he has "Evolved". It comes across soo pompously it makes you wonder why he would need God in the first place
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