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Thread started 07/22/08 2:52am

bigben07

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Did "The Crist" make you mad?

When he changed "The Cross" to "The Crist" I really became pissed off. "The Cross" was a very powerful song in his live set but since he changed the lyric it just makes me sick! Now just because he doesn't believe in the cross as a religious symbol anymore why can't he still just sing about it? Songwriters are storytellers. 99% of the time fiction story tellers. Was "Sister" fiction? "Bob George"? What, at the time was he a pimp threatening to kill his hoes? I know this "The Crist" thing happened years ago but I just watched "The Cross" from the end of the Sign Of The Times film and man that was a great ending to a great show.
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Reply #1 posted 07/22/08 4:56am

Dayclear

Go back to school
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Reply #2 posted 07/22/08 5:14am

Tame

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The Christ...is just as nice as The Cross...I don't get upset about that kinda stuff...I just don't like it when Jesus is hangin' on the wood...It is better when He get's off of it. cool
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Reply #3 posted 07/22/08 5:18am

NouveauDance

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Mad? Nahhhh.

Arguing over whether in the story it was a cross, a pole, a stake or even a tree all seemed to be completely missing the point. But what the hey. shrug
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Reply #4 posted 07/22/08 5:32am

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Dayclear said:

Go back to school

Oh wow, what do we have here? You think you can take me to school well try me. Can you explain your comment or is mommy getting you dressed?
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Reply #5 posted 07/22/08 5:37am

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NouveauDance said:

Mad? Nahhhh.

Arguing over whether in the story it was a cross, a pole, a stake or even a tree all seemed to be completely missing the point. But what the hey. shrug

Ok. Ya'll missing my point. I'm more pissed about changing the title of the song after it was recorded. It's as bad as George Lucas going back and adding CGI crap to scenes of Star Wars. Do you know what I mean? You sing along to and jam to a song since '87 and then, BAM!, it's not the same song. You dig?
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Reply #6 posted 07/22/08 5:54am

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bigben07 said:

NouveauDance said:

Mad? Nahhhh.

Arguing over whether in the story it was a cross, a pole, a stake or even a tree all seemed to be completely missing the point. But what the hey. shrug

Ok. Ya'll missing my point. I'm more pissed about changing the title of the song after it was recorded. It's as bad as George Lucas going back and adding CGI crap to scenes of Star Wars. Do you know what I mean? You sing along to and jam to a song since '87 and then, BAM!, it's not the same song. You dig?


I understand where you're coming from, but The Christ makes a lot more sense with that lyric change than the change he made to I Feel For You - "i'm spiritually attracted to you" he sung on the 21 Nights tour.
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Reply #7 posted 07/22/08 6:09am

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I wouldn't say it made me mad as hell, but it definitely annoyed me.

Same with whatever the hell cd that was...Gold Experience? when he stopped saying "May U Live 2 See the Dawn" and instead wrote "Welcome 2 the Dawn". I was just like, what the hell? I thought you were talking about Jesus, not this stupid-ass album with no good songs.

Pretty much the last nail in that coffin as far as I was concerned. I haven't truly been a fan since. Very disappointing.
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Reply #8 posted 07/22/08 6:19am

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First of all...spell it correctly. It's "The Christ." Christ - not Crist. (That's what the "go back to school" comment was about.)

Secondly...what's the big deal? The Cross was a metaphor for Christ. He just dumped the metaphor in favor of a more literal lyric. Big whoop.
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Reply #9 posted 07/22/08 7:20am

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At the time, a lot of fans were vocal about their dislike of this track change, but then there were a whole load of other things people didn't care for either at the time.

Personally, I think things should be left as they are. See also: Sexuality/Spirituality (I think this change is rather more rather nauseating).
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Reply #10 posted 07/22/08 7:27am

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I was baffled by it. I remember seeing the NAACP Awards in 1998 and him singing it and I had a friend who didn't know who Prince was sitting with me and with that speech and the lyric change, I was embarrased like a mug. I respect that it's his song, but I saw no need to change the lyrics to it. It was fine as it was but I can agree with the person who had said earlier that if any song HAD to have a change, The Cross/Christ would be the one to have it. I may not agree but it's better than the changes he did with I Feel For You and D.M.S.R. nod
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #11 posted 07/22/08 7:31am

Genesia

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purplecam said:

I was baffled by it. I remember seeing the NAACP Awards in 1998 and him singing it and I had a friend who didn't know who Prince was sitting with me and with that speech and the lyric change, I was embarrased like a mug. I respect that it's his song, but I saw no need to change the lyrics to it. It was fine as it was but I can agree with the person who had said earlier that if any song HAD to have a change, The Cross/Christ would be the one to have it. I may not agree but it's better than the changes he did with I Feel For You and D.M.S.R. nod


I was baffled primarily by the speech (which he also did on the Jam of the Year) tour). I mean...you want to change the lyrics - fine. But hold the propoganda.

I'm a firm believer in Elbert Hubbard's adage:

Never explain. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe it, anyway.
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Reply #12 posted 07/22/08 7:34am

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Genesia said:

purplecam said:

I was baffled by it. I remember seeing the NAACP Awards in 1998 and him singing it and I had a friend who didn't know who Prince was sitting with me and with that speech and the lyric change, I was embarrased like a mug. I respect that it's his song, but I saw no need to change the lyrics to it. It was fine as it was but I can agree with the person who had said earlier that if any song HAD to have a change, The Cross/Christ would be the one to have it. I may not agree but it's better than the changes he did with I Feel For You and D.M.S.R. nod


I was baffled primarily by the speech (which he also did on the Jam of the Year) tour). I mean...you want to change the lyrics - fine. But hold the propoganda.

I'm a firm believer in Elbert Hubbard's adage:

Never explain. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe it, anyway.

nod I'm with you 100%
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Reply #13 posted 07/22/08 7:34am

GiGi319

Prince is just adjusting his lyrics as he evolves on his never ending spiritual journey. I guess we have to respect his reasons for the lyric changes even if it gets to be annoying at times.
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Reply #14 posted 07/22/08 8:01am

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Dayclear said:

Go back to school

Nice. We have people here that get off on seeing typos. Nevermind what a fellow-Prince fan is saying, let's just make fun of a typo. Nice job acting like a 12 year old.
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Reply #15 posted 07/22/08 8:07am

Tremolina

Not mad, more sad.

It was sad to see him sing that way in concert and trying everybody to sing along, but everybody was like: WTF dude, what the hell did you do that for?
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Reply #16 posted 07/22/08 8:09am

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If u like the song so much...y not just listen to it..no one is stopping you.

Prince has moved on. his beloefs are different now.

Y shouuld it make me mad?...im happy for him.

if i want to listen to the cross...i pull out my cd wink

not to mention i wear a cross around my neck everyday. smile
Prince did an interview with a woman at Record World. They talked about whatever, then he asked her: "Does your pubic hair go up to your navel?" At that moment, we thought maybe we shouldn't encourage him to do interviews.
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Reply #17 posted 07/22/08 8:09am

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Genesia said:



I was baffled primarily by the speech (which he also did on the Jam of the Year) tour). I mean...you want to change the lyrics - fine. But hold the propoganda.

I'm a firm believer in Elbert Hubbard's adage:

Never explain. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe it, anyway.


Oh, I like that. Very true.

I remembering being rather disappointed with the lyric changes. These were songs I loved!! And if it ain't broke don't fix it! But if the changes meant it was the only way he was every going to perform these songs again; then what's a little word swap here or there?
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Reply #18 posted 07/22/08 8:16am

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metallicjigolo said:

If u like the song so much...y not just listen to it..no one is stopping you.

Prince has moved on. his beloefs are different now.

Y shouuld it make me mad?...im happy for him.

if i want to listen to the cross...i pull out my cd wink

not to mention i wear a cross around my neck everyday. smile

If he would of "moved on" he wouldn't of "went back" into '87 to perform The Cross/Christ in the first place. All of the lyric changes make me sick. He should respect the fans that supported those songs by not altering the lyrics. Remember when Coke tried the New Coke thing? It wasn't Coke, it became something else. If he wanted to sing about Christ he should of wrote a new song.
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Reply #19 posted 07/22/08 8:25am

purplecam

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bigben07 said:

metallicjigolo said:

If u like the song so much...y not just listen to it..no one is stopping you.

Prince has moved on. his beloefs are different now.

Y shouuld it make me mad?...im happy for him.

if i want to listen to the cross...i pull out my cd wink

not to mention i wear a cross around my neck everyday. smile

If he would of "moved on" he wouldn't of "went back" into '87 to perform The Cross/Christ in the first place. All of the lyric changes make me sick. He should respect the fans that supported those songs by not altering the lyrics. Remember when Coke tried the New Coke thing? It wasn't Coke, it became something else. If he wanted to sing about Christ he should of wrote a new song.

Truth be told, it's not like he changes the lyrics to EVERY song of his, it's just a few and he hasn't done The Cross or whatever it is since the late 90's, I think. Who knows what the future holds regarding his view of lyrics, just wait and see. That's all I can tell ya.
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Reply #20 posted 07/22/08 9:14am

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I actally prefere The Christ to The Cross because the song itself is about Jesus not the thing he died on, also I think changing your lyrics to what your beliefs are now, is a very good thing because you are singing something that you believe and what comes from the heart. Imagine singing about something you didn't agree with anymore.
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Reply #21 posted 07/22/08 10:12am

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Prince deserve do what he want to do about his lyrics, we all have to respect him
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Reply #22 posted 07/22/08 12:35pm

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I kinda do when Prince changes lyrics to songs. I mean especially when it's a song that I really dig. I rather him not sing it at all than change the lyrics to fit his new religious life.
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Reply #23 posted 07/22/08 12:42pm

Imago

Of course

I wanted to fuck somebody up!
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Reply #24 posted 07/22/08 12:43pm

Imago

How dare he change a song and not include Doug E. Fresh or Tony M. rap seques in the song!
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Reply #25 posted 07/22/08 2:18pm

gyro34

No.
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Reply #26 posted 07/22/08 2:23pm

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bigben07 said:

I just watched "The Cross" from the end of the Sign Of The Times film and man that was a great ending to a great show.


Great song, (Chross or Crist, i don't mind wink ) but by my knowledge not the ending of the show, only of the movie.
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Reply #27 posted 07/22/08 2:36pm

viewaskew

As stupid as 1999: The New Master.
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Reply #28 posted 07/22/08 2:59pm

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viewaskew said:

As stupid as 1999: The New Master.



1999 the new master, now that is a total and utter rape of the original. What was he thinking?
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Reply #29 posted 07/22/08 3:08pm

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I don't know.

I've only seen it sung on Rave to the year 2000 - and I actually really liked it.

It was like he was proclaiming his love for Christ.

It changed the song slightly. Deepened it.

I respect Prince for going all out and singing it as a true religious song.

Infact I'm going to listen to it now..

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