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Thread started 04/17/08 3:26pm

AriesIII

If All Yall Went Away

If all you unofficial Prince fan sites went away, would Prince resurrect his own site?
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Reply #1 posted 04/17/08 3:46pm

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but if all the unofficial sites went away how would we know about his site if he did resurrect it confused
With Love there is no Death
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Reply #2 posted 04/17/08 3:55pm

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b3xy said:

but if all the unofficial sites went away how would we know about his site if he did resurrect it confused


lol So true!
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Reply #3 posted 04/17/08 4:03pm

Dayclear

Fan sites are not his only problem with the internet, I really don't think he wants to be bothered anymore. confused
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Reply #4 posted 04/17/08 4:08pm

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You say "Y'all" like you didn't sign up for this site and choose to post here.

Look around the internet, large unofficial fansites and communities aren't restricted to just the Prince fanbase.

Back in the 80s and early 90s, do you think if there were no unofficial fanzines, Prince's official fanzine would've been the shit?
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Reply #5 posted 04/17/08 5:14pm

nurseV

eek You're on here right?
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Reply #6 posted 04/17/08 5:18pm

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Does a bear crap in the woods?
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Reply #7 posted 04/17/08 6:11pm

AriesIII

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eek You're on here right?


That's besides the point. lol
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Reply #8 posted 04/17/08 6:19pm

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Does a bear crap in the woods?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it..... does it make a sound?
PRINCE IS WATCHING U evillol" When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate

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Reply #9 posted 04/17/08 8:38pm

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It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #10 posted 04/18/08 5:48am

AriesIII

Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.


I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.
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Reply #11 posted 04/18/08 6:02am

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Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.

confuse This makes no sense to me.
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Reply #12 posted 04/18/08 6:03am

SquirrelMeat

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AriesIII said:

Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.


I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


He does have the control. He can choose to remove himself from the public domain.

No once should expect to sell themselves to the public, but be allowed control what is said about them. Thats just a form of dictatorship.
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Reply #13 posted 04/18/08 6:12am

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chillichocaholic said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Does a bear crap in the woods?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it..... does it make a sound?


yes
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Reply #14 posted 04/18/08 6:15am

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SquirrelMeat said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


He does have the control. He can choose to remove himself from the public domain.

No once should expect to sell themselves to the public, but be allowed control what is said about them. Thats just a form of dictatorship.


maybe he has simply realised that he needs to please God and himself- that's it
LOVE HARD.
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Reply #15 posted 04/18/08 6:23am

Tame

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AriesIII said:

Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.


I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


I empathize with what Prince has had to tolerate....I have seen it myself here on this site...Some people just like to hurt and wound a sensitive person. I think it's terrible.
Silly jokes occasionally, or differences of opinion is not the upsetting factor...It's the gossip about...Prince did this or that, when where why who...
When we are all new people everyday.
Anybody that is going to throw 5 minutes ago in Prince's face to hurt him...has not had the grace of an understanding veil lifted. And we, that love Prince, are gathered here like wings that Prince should trust to lift him above all that jazz.
As much as Prince would like to throw away the whole basket of apples for a few sour fruits...I don't think He will...and when someone loves Prince as a man...His strength to tolerate those bad apples will be easier.
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #16 posted 04/18/08 6:30am

AriesIII

SquirrelMeat said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


He does have the control. He can choose to remove himself from the public domain.

No once should expect to sell themselves to the public, but be allowed control what is said about them. Thats just a form of dictatorship.


Prince is not a commodity, or a share of stock, he's a man. A man with feelings same as you. Just because he has a gift that many enjoy does not mean he automatically has to put up with other people's b.s.

You say it's dictatorship? I mean damn, that's a bit extreme. The problem is folks cross the line. The line of respect. He is a musician, not a thing...some of yall need to remember that.
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Reply #17 posted 04/18/08 7:46am

AriesIII

Tame said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


I empathize with what Prince has had to tolerate....I have seen it myself here on this site...Some people just like to hurt and wound a sensitive person. I think it's terrible.
Silly jokes occasionally, or differences of opinion is not the upsetting factor...It's the gossip about...Prince did this or that, when where why who...
When we are all new people everyday.
Anybody that is going to throw 5 minutes ago in Prince's face to hurt him...has not had the grace of an understanding veil lifted. And we, that love Prince, are gathered here like wings that Prince should trust to lift him above all that jazz.
As much as Prince would like to throw away the whole basket of apples for a few sour fruits...I don't think He will...and when someone loves Prince as a man...His strength to tolerate those bad apples will be easier.


I feel you. I sense some feel Prince owes them something. Like they have authority to say whatever because they buy a CD or download or concert ticket...that makes them an authority on the man. I can't really say I blame him, is it really worth all that? I come here not to discuss Prince, cause, really, I don't know the man besides what I've heard with my own ears. I wish that he will get past this thing with the fansites and get on with the business of doing his thang.

Prince, if you're out there can you come wid it please. My ears are aching for some P-funk, some P-jazz, some P-rock...please, with sugar on top? I need a concert bad, I mean really bad. You're like a drug, I ain't had a fix in about a million years. I know you're getting pissed from stupidity, but sweety, you still got the magic touch. Don't let others control your destiny...You the Man! Now bring it...on the stage is where you belong (especially where I can see you), and you know it...so stop being mad...let's forgive and forget, ok?

And for all you heartbreakers out there, give the man a little breathin room...he ain't yo damn daddy.
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Reply #18 posted 04/18/08 5:16pm

meow85

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AriesIII said:

Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.


I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.

Sorry, but no.

There's this groovy little thing called freedom of speech and freedom of opinion. We are, as fans, within our rights to criticize or disagree with the man. "True" fandom, in spite of what the nutjob FAMS think, does not involve blind worship. If Prince does or says something stupid -and he has on several occasions - we are not obligated to spin it into something cute or praiseworthy.

Personally, if I were Prince, I'd be more bothered by the pointless, inane discussions that overstuff this forum and others like it about the shape of my ass and which colour I look hottest in, than any criticism or commentating on one of my albums or movies.
"A Watcher scoffs at gravity!"
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Reply #19 posted 04/18/08 5:18pm

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Tame said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.


I empathize with what Prince has had to tolerate....I have seen it myself here on this site...Some people just like to hurt and wound a sensitive person. I think it's terrible.
Silly jokes occasionally, or differences of opinion is not the upsetting factor...It's the gossip about...Prince did this or that, when where why who...
When we are all new people everyday.
Anybody that is going to throw 5 minutes ago in Prince's face to hurt him...has not had the grace of an understanding veil lifted. And we, that love Prince, are gathered here like wings that Prince should trust to lift him above all that jazz.
As much as Prince would like to throw away the whole basket of apples for a few sour fruits...I don't think He will...and when someone loves Prince as a man...His strength to tolerate those bad apples will be easier.

rolleyes
I don't even know where to start with this craziness. You're "wings that Prince should trust to lift him above all that jazz"? As if he knows you from Adam.

Prince needs to file a restraining order against some of y'all
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Reply #20 posted 04/18/08 6:37pm

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chillichocaholic said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Does a bear crap in the woods?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it..... does it make a sound?


If the Pope shits in the woods and a tree falls on him, can you hear him scream?
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #21 posted 04/19/08 12:15am

AriesIII

meow85 said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.

Sorry, but no.

There's this groovy little thing called freedom of speech and freedom of opinion. We are, as fans, within our rights to criticize or disagree with the man. "True" fandom, in spite of what the nutjob FAMS think, does not involve blind worship. If Prince does or says something stupid -and he has on several occasions - we are not obligated to spin it into something cute or praiseworthy.

Personally, if I were Prince, I'd be more bothered by the pointless, inane discussions that overstuff this forum and others like it about the shape of my ass and which colour I look hottest in, than any criticism or commentating on one of my albums or movies.


That is exactly what I'm talking about, so Sorry, but yes. I got no issues about freedom of speech. But that has to have a barrier too. There's also a right called personal privacy. I think some Prince fans need to get a grip. Prince is not going to materialize in your bedroom with his assout pants and lace gloves with the ruffles on top...I mean damn, some folks I know been on here for 10 years or more talking about the same thing...nothing.

There is nothing wrong with critique, not every song is going to be a hit, but some folks act like he deliberately made a bad song just to piss them off. That's were the line gets crossed. It's psychotic at times, imo.
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Reply #22 posted 04/19/08 2:42am

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Prince is an adult, a public figure, has been in the business for 30 years, and has seen and dealt with a lot of shit through all this time.

Therefore I doubt that at this point he is as emotional as some of you here seem to suggest as to sit and weep about what's being written about him on the Net - about a fan saying he/she hates the color of his suit at his last public appearance or his latest actions to control the use of his material online.

He has said it himself that he doesn't spend time on stupid stuff and misconceptions voiced about him, that he is quick to ignore them and see beyond.
So I doubt that the petty ramblings on the Net is what has made him leave it. If it was, he would have done it earlier it seems to me. Plus, he must be used by now of criticism - he must have encountered it in his career even before the age of the Net. Maybe not on such a scale, but perhaps from people who were close to him, which may hurt just as much, if not more.
So my guess is that he has left the Net for other, more important reasons, namely, issues related to his IP rights, among others perhaps - OR maybe because he is simply bored with it - boredom being quite a strong factor in most Geminis' decisions:).. Unless, he is concocting something all his own, something better - being the visionary that he is:)..
But because of some fans saying they don't like him? I Don't buy it.

And I'll finish with: Long Live Free Speech! Yes, words can and do hurt. But learning how to cope with criticsm and disagreement, how to handle one's emotions in the face of offensive speech is what I see as necessary if we want to be members of a society that's free and open. Words do hurt, but learning to cope with those words rationally and without fear is part of what it means to reach maturity.

God knows what a doting, incurable fan of Prince I am. But that doesn't mean I don't trust him to be mature and smart enough to cope with criticism, online and off-.
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Reply #23 posted 04/19/08 2:54am

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I don't quite agree with 'you had no control over what was said?'

That's the beauty and power of the Net: every participant in it has the ability to voice his/her opinions and to redress any errors, misconceptions, in fact anything that's being said about one's person/actions. In other words, you can answer back and give your side of the story. Everybody has the freedom, rights and tools to do this, Prince included.

In fact I think it's one of the best ways to deal with hurtful or incorrect factual claims about oneself, much better than banning such speech - you do it yourself, in your own words.
If he wants, Prince is free to do this, with a website, or via other online means.






AriesIII said:

Tame said:

It would only depend on one thing...If Prince was truly in love with someone He believed was God's choice in this life...Prince would continue to be a part of his fan base...but Prince would realize the difference between, the last 50 years of his life as a musician, and as a man that needs to be loved.


I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.
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Reply #24 posted 04/19/08 7:53am

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yes he would still put up his own site
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Reply #25 posted 04/19/08 9:27am

mayebelle81

meow85 said:

AriesIII said:



I believe his true fans will support him no matter what. It's the ugliness, and meanness displayed on fanbased websites that is discouraging. Would you want all that b.s. associated with your name and you had no control over what was said? At some point every human being has a fed up point with b.s. He's getting older, (I know the feeling) and his tolerance level is probably shrinking...damn, I miss him. I feel like a part of my musical spirit has been put on hold.

Sorry, but no.

There's this groovy little thing called freedom of speech and freedom of opinion. We are, as fans, within our rights to criticize or disagree with the man. "True" fandom, in spite of what the nutjob FAMS think, does not involve blind worship. If Prince does or says something stupid -and he has on several occasions - we are not obligated to spin it into something cute or praiseworthy.

Personally, if I were Prince, I'd be more bothered by the pointless, inane discussions that overstuff this forum and others like it about the shape of my ass and which colour I look hottest in, than any criticism or commentating on one of my albums or movies.


If I were him, I would like people talking about my butt!! wink
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Reply #26 posted 04/19/08 9:28am

AriesIII

Flo6 said:

Prince is an adult, a public figure, has been in the business for 30 years, and has seen and dealt with a lot of shit through all this time.

Therefore I doubt that at this point he is as emotional as some of you here seem to suggest as to sit and weep about what's being written about him on the Net - about a fan saying he/she hates the color of his suit at his last public appearance or his latest actions to control the use of his material online.

He has said it himself that he doesn't spend time on stupid stuff and misconceptions voiced about him, that he is quick to ignore them and see beyond.
So I doubt that the petty ramblings on the Net is what has made him leave it. If it was, he would have done it earlier it seems to me. Plus, he must be used by now of criticism - he must have encountered it in his career even before the age of the Net. Maybe not on such a scale, but perhaps from people who were close to him, which may hurt just as much, if not more.
So my guess is that he has left the Net for other, more important reasons, namely, issues related to his IP rights, among others perhaps - OR maybe because he is simply bored with it - boredom being quite a strong factor in most Geminis' decisions:).. Unless, he is concocting something all his own, something better - being the visionary that he is:)..
But because of some fans saying they don't like him? I Don't buy it.

And I'll finish with: Long Live Free Speech! Yes, words can and do hurt. But learning how to cope with criticsm and disagreement, how to handle one's emotions in the face of offensive speech is what I see as necessary if we want to be members of a society that's free and open. Words do hurt, but learning to cope with those words rationally and without fear is part of what it means to reach maturity.

God knows what a doting, incurable fan of Prince I am. But that doesn't mean I don't trust him to be mature and smart enough to cope with criticism, online and off-.


You mean Prince WAS a public figure. It's his choice, not the fans. That's the difference. That's what you guys (or gals) don't understand. This PFU is not a good thing. The acronym (sp?) says it all, so fuck who? fuck you (not you Flo6) but fuck you web based fans who want to dictate the webdome of the man instead of him dictating it. So who has the ultimate power? Who has the last say? Guess...

I agree with you regarding the free speech thing, as I've stated before. I don't think this is about free speech, it's about respect. Some people have a hard time respecting the wishes of others because they are so used to always getting what they want regardless of what they have to do to get it, even biting the hand that feeds it sometimes. As was the case with PFU and as long as this PFU is on the net, we may never see a Prince sponsored website again. So eh, Ben, give it a break, aiight...please...just letitgo? Take down the PFU, be nice, let's just see what happens afterwards.

I know sometimes folks can be headstrong...eh, I'm an Aries, the headbutting Ram with several planetary bodies in Aries at birth (hence the AriesIII), so ain't nobody more headstrong than me, but, I have learned the hard hard way that being too headstrong can be detrimental...compromise can go a long way in ultimately getting way you want, on all fronts, both sides can enjoy the essence of the situation.

Take down PFU, ok?
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Reply #27 posted 04/19/08 9:45am

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chillichocaholic said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Does a bear crap in the woods?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it..... does it make a sound?

lol U took that out of my mouth.. eek lol lol
follow the leader follow the leader
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Reply #28 posted 04/19/08 9:50am

AriesIII

Tamera1 said:

chillichocaholic said:


If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it..... does it make a sound?

lol U took that out of my mouth.. eek lol lol


Do you believe fat meat is greasy?
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Reply #29 posted 04/21/08 6:30pm

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"You mean Prince WAS a public figure."

Well, legally speaking at least, he still is a public figure.
I don't know enough about the ups and downs of the PFU saga to comment, but I totally agree with you that compromise is the way to go. This is what I advocated in earlier threads, making a pitch for a new model of music distribution and fan-artist relationship that would make everybody happy, both Prince and the fans - no matter how Utopian that sounds...
So I'm not sure someone must have the last world, as you say, and should dictate to the other side. That seems to contradict your earlier pitch for compromise - or am I misunderstsanding somthing?..

Also, I agree respect is beautiful and this world is in dire need of it, but it's business we're talking about [the music industry], and judging from what I see all around, I'm not sure it always has a place in even the most successful deals, sadly...






AriesIII said:

Flo6 said:

Prince is an adult, a public figure, has been in the business for 30 years, and has seen and dealt with a lot of shit through all this time.

Therefore I doubt that at this point he is as emotional as some of you here seem to suggest as to sit and weep about what's being written about him on the Net - about a fan saying he/she hates the color of his suit at his last public appearance or his latest actions to control the use of his material online.

He has said it himself that he doesn't spend time on stupid stuff and misconceptions voiced about him, that he is quick to ignore them and see beyond.
So I doubt that the petty ramblings on the Net is what has made him leave it. If it was, he would have done it earlier it seems to me. Plus, he must be used by now of criticism - he must have encountered it in his career even before the age of the Net. Maybe not on such a scale, but perhaps from people who were close to him, which may hurt just as much, if not more.
So my guess is that he has left the Net for other, more important reasons, namely, issues related to his IP rights, among others perhaps - OR maybe because he is simply bored with it - boredom being quite a strong factor in most Geminis' decisions:).. Unless, he is concocting something all his own, something better - being the visionary that he is:)..
But because of some fans saying they don't like him? I Don't buy it.

And I'll finish with: Long Live Free Speech! Yes, words can and do hurt. But learning how to cope with criticsm and disagreement, how to handle one's emotions in the face of offensive speech is what I see as necessary if we want to be members of a society that's free and open. Words do hurt, but learning to cope with those words rationally and without fear is part of what it means to reach maturity.

God knows what a doting, incurable fan of Prince I am. But that doesn't mean I don't trust him to be mature and smart enough to cope with criticism, online and off-.


You mean Prince WAS a public figure. It's his choice, not the fans. That's the difference. That's what you guys (or gals) don't understand. This PFU is not a good thing. The acronym (sp?) says it all, so fuck who? fuck you (not you Flo6) but fuck you web based fans who want to dictate the webdome of the man instead of him dictating it. So who has the ultimate power? Who has the last say? Guess...

I agree with you regarding the free speech thing, as I've stated before. I don't think this is about free speech, it's about respect. Some people have a hard time respecting the wishes of others because they are so used to always getting what they want regardless of what they have to do to get it, even biting the hand that feeds it sometimes. As was the case with PFU and as long as this PFU is on the net, we may never see a Prince sponsored website again. So eh, Ben, give it a break, aiight...please...just letitgo? Take down the PFU, be nice, let's just see what happens afterwards.

I know sometimes folks can be headstrong...eh, I'm an Aries, the headbutting Ram with several planetary bodies in Aries at birth (hence the AriesIII), so ain't nobody more headstrong than me, but, I have learned the hard hard way that being too headstrong can be detrimental...compromise can go a long way in ultimately getting way you want, on all fronts, both sides can enjoy the essence of the situation.

Take down PFU, ok?
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