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PrintableClaire73 said: chillichocaholic said: of course not, though what leather has to do with being a vegan is beyond me,,,oh wait...are we talking animal activist here?  sorry
They wear natural cotton and hemp fabrics...I think  I was a vegan years ago,and that means no animal bi products whatsoever. Oh God, now i have to start apologizing to my shoes!  | |
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iloveannie said: KidaDynamite said: I thought you were a girl! 
wait....are you a girl?! I'd like to be now! Woo hoo! Come on seriously, I swear like a trooper, have a completely male sense of humour (I hate woman deep down. It's my mum's fault.), have mentioned many times that I went to see the shows last year with my wife and daughter and finally my username. Did you really think I have a love of musicals with gingers!? Still, you've got me thinking of lesbians now at 08:38 so that's no bad thing.
iloveannie said: And I also have a piercing through my cock. Not that you can tell from a forum but it's there nonetheless.
Wow. That must have been an.....umm....'interesting' experience! surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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aubergine said: estelle81 said: I still don't understand veganism or vegetarianism. If God didn't make cows, chickens, pigs, and fish for eating purposes, than what else would we do with them? They would over-populate the earth and the dead and rotting ones would cause disease to spead. Plus, it's no different from killing a head of lettuce or ripping a head of broccoli from it's roots to me. Vegetables are alive too, but once it's ripped from it's life source, steamed, and put on a plate, it's no longer alive...that broccoli died for them, just as much as that cow died for me. I don't agree with raising minks in small, overpopulated cages, but that's not going to make me stop eating meat...I just won't buy a fur coat. I won't buy a diamond ring either, because of blood diamonds...someone's child died for a shiny rock, which I find to be ridulous, but I'm sure there are vegans and vegetarians who will sport a diamond ring without even thinking about whether it's a duty-free diamond or not. I've met too many vegans who have more respect for animals than for people which is ignorant because humans are animals too.
You can ask any doctor and they will all tell you that neither of these two diets are healthy, because meat has riboflavin, something that the body needs, so if you don't eat meat, you probably have to take some good old man-made vitamins, which is just as bad if not worse than just eating the meat. I am an omnivore and at the top of the food chain, that is how God made me. I'm sure the lion doesn't feel bad when it eats the baby gazelle, so why should I? They don't call it the circle of life for nothing.I've been a vegetarian for 8 years and I don't eat meat because I really don't want to eat flesh, blood, muscle, skin, ligaments and things of the like. When I was young I was always disturbed by what I was eating, but being a vegetarian didn't "make sense" to anyone in my family, so I was forced to continue eating meat although I hated the very thought. so I pushed away thinking about what I was eating and continued to eat all sorts of meats until I finally woke up one day and knew I was through eating the stuff for good. People thought it would never last, but I don't miss it at all and I AM healthy. My blood work / yearly physical always amazes my doctor and she tells me to keep doing what I'm doing. When I was a meat eater, I used to get debilitating migraines, that used to cause blurry vision and paralysis on one side of my body, the face, neck, arm & hand. Doctors thought I had a brain tumor but fortunately MRI's showed nothing, no doctor could explain why this would happen to me. Since I have stopped eating meat I have not had a single one of those migraines. What a miracle! I tell doctors and they say: "I don't know, it's strange you don't get them anymore". They don't want to admit all the bad things that are found in our food supply, not just in meat (ie. growth hormones, antibiotics, etc. although there's always Organic Farm Raised alternatives) but in the entire food supply found in your regular supermarkets. If you read labels, you get scared because most food products do not contain good, wholesome foods, but man-made ingredients and preservatives for long shelf life. It's all quite scary, but I don't impose my vegetarianism on anyone, everyone I know eats meat - everyone has the right to do what they want. I wear leather and I sell animal products in my business, so I am a contradiction really - although I don't eat meat because I don't like to eat flesh, not because of killing animals (although cruelty to animals in terrible) you can kill them as food if you wish. btw, I believe you are referring to "CONFLICT FREE DIAMONDS" not "DUTY FREE DIAMONDS". Duty Free is when you don't pay the tax at the airport when traveling abroad.  Sorry about that. Of course, if they were duty free that wouldn't be a bad thing either
 I appreciate your post btw. If meat was causing you to have problems like that, than I don't blame you for not eating it. You're 100% right that these companies are adding soo many chemicals to all foods now that I'm getting to the point where eating anything has me somewhat uneasy. In fact, what people choose to eat is solely up to them, because it's that individual's body. I wish all vegetarians and vegans shared your open-mindedness, but unfortunately, I've met a lot who become extremely rude and want to nail you to the cross if you don't feel the same way they do...and that's when there's a problem. This is the main reason why I can never join PETA....that and Pamela Anderson  . I don't agree with everything that everybody does, but who am I to try and force someone to change?
I love animals...I work with them everyday and get upset with pet owners who don't take better care of their pets. I realize it's expensive to have a pet, but they need to realize that a pet is a luxury, not a necessity, and if they aren't ready to treat their puppy or kitty like they would any other member of the family, then they need to think more seriously about owning a pet, but that's just the way I feel. Some cases are borderline neglect to me but the owners don't feel that way and when their pet gets sick from something they did wrong, it's our fault and never theirs...  , but that's a whole different story right there. Prince Rogers Nelson
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Dsoul said: Ugh, talk about speaking without any knowledge at all. "Gods" didn't create shit, there is no moral equivalence between killing sentient beings with central nervous systems and plants, riboflavin/B2 is a nutrient found in leafy greens, soya beans, yeast and almonds and as others have stated the cause you claim to care so much about is "Conflict free diamonds" not "duty free".
Apart from that... "gods"? Where did I say anything about "gods", my friend? Living things are living things to me, so regardless of whether it walks around or stays planted in the soil doesn't make me appreciate it any less, but that's just me and how I feel. You obviously feel differently, so more power to you...I ain't mad at cha.  I do apologize for the wrong phrasing however. Plus, this is what I've been told by doctors and not all doctors are right, but not all of them are wrong either. The human body is unpredictable, which is why medicine is not always 100% right. Everybody is different. For some people, caffeine wakes them up, but it does nothing at all for me. Mmm, almonds sound good right about now  [Edited 4/22/08 15:16pm] Prince Rogers Nelson
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Rococomojo said: chillichocaholic said: of course not, though what leather has to do with being a vegan is beyond me,,,oh wait...are we talking animal activist here? sorry
They wear natural cotton and hemp fabrics...I think chillichocaholic, your apathy, is, bleh... Actually it has everything to do with it, Vegans do not purchase leather, it's not just a simple dietary choice but an ideological one, based on the premise that animals are not property to own or be used as commodity for the interests of profit. Vegans believe that animals have intrinsic value, that the life of a living, feeling, emotional being should not be reduced to the whims of capitalist desire, that the treatment afforded to them should be one of respect, the pleasure an animal seeks will not be found in the slaughter house, the factory farm or the end of a rifle. Vegans believe in social justice for all, and that crimes of violence and patriarchy are further intrenched by the eating and wearing of animals, that nothing less than the abolition of the property status of animals will achieve this. Prince was vegan, he was a lot of things, he used to be libertarian too, my how things change! [Edited 4/22/08 4:57am] Apathy my ass I dont see how what I said was apathetic at all....Im just not anal about certain things  so Bleh right back to u smarty pants 
As u can see I didnt know the answer and I was just hazarding a guess so there  PRINCE IS WATCHING U  " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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I used to date an animal activist when I was single. However I think his views on animal killing for food, clothing and sport are idealistic. I am vegetarian to begin with and so I did not become vegetarian when we were dating.
Some of the things he did were kinda punkish, like looking for puddles and splashing women in fur coats with dirty water (while driving). Verbally abusing women who wore fur coats. Stalking women at the meat counters in the supermarket. Yes, he did go to the extremes but he was very passionate about his ideas, that's part of the reason we broke up. I am more of the belief to live and let live. I am currently married to someone who is not vegetarian and who is also a hunter (something he hid from me when we were dating  ) I don't like hunting and my husband is not allowed to bring animal carcasses home
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estelle81 said: Dsoul said: Ugh, talk about speaking without any knowledge at all. "Gods" didn't create shit, there is no moral equivalence between killing sentient beings with central nervous systems and plants, riboflavin/B2 is a nutrient found in leafy greens, soya beans, yeast and almonds and as others have stated the cause you claim to care so much about is "Conflict free diamonds" not "duty free".
Apart from that... "gods"? Where did I say anything about "gods", my friend? Living things are living things to me, so regardless of whether it walks around or stays planted in the soil doesn't make me appreciate it any less, but that's just me and how I feel. You obviously feel differently, so more power to you...I ain't mad at cha. I do apologize for the wrong phrasing however. Plus, this is what I've been told by doctors and not all doctors are right, but not all of them are wrong either. The human body is unpredictable, which is why medicine is not always 100% right. Everybody is different. For some people, caffeine wakes them up, but it does nothing at all for me. Mmm, almonds sound good right about now
[Edited 4/22/08 15:16pm] You said "god" singular and I widened to include whichever one you refer to and all the other god myths. You claim to see no difference in how we treat brocolli and sentient animals and then go on to say people shouldn't have pets unless they will treat them as members of the family. By your logic you must feel the same way about brocolli welfare too. Visiting the fruit and veg counter is a family visit to you I guess. | |
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Dsoul said: estelle81 said: "gods"? Where did I say anything about "gods", my friend? Living things are living things to me, so regardless of whether it walks around or stays planted in the soil doesn't make me appreciate it any less, but that's just me and how I feel. You obviously feel differently, so more power to you...I ain't mad at cha. I do apologize for the wrong phrasing however. Plus, this is what I've been told by doctors and not all doctors are right, but not all of them are wrong either. The human body is unpredictable, which is why medicine is not always 100% right. Everybody is different. For some people, caffeine wakes them up, but it does nothing at all for me. Mmm, almonds sound good right about now
[Edited 4/22/08 15:16pm] You said "god" singular and I widened to include whichever one you refer to and all the other god myths. You claim to see no difference in how we treat brocolli and sentient animals and then go on to say people shouldn't have pets unless they will treat them as members of the family. By your logic you must feel the same way about brocolli welfare too. Visiting the fruit and veg counter is a family visit to you I guess. 
If I had meant any other God besides the one I mentioned, I would have used that being's earthly name...ie Allah, Buddha, Jehovah, etc., but I'm pretty sure I put "God" (even capitalized it), so that was an assumption on your part. Actually, I don't own any pets because I don't have the financial means or the time to support one properly...and I work at a veterinary hospital. This is also the main reason I don't have any children, so my logic goes off of having to see pet owners everyday who own pets but can't afford to help them when they have pain and discomfort due to things like severe skin infections as a result of flea bites. They can't afford to treat the pet's pain and they also can't afford to threat the fleas, which are just infesting their homes and biting not only their pet, but also them...and it gets even better because even though they can barely afford the pet they have, they go out and get another pet. If you can't afford to take care of it, than why keep it around just to watch it suffer?
I'm going to be flat-out blunt with you; I have no problem whatsoever euthanizing any animal dying from cancer or some other uncurable illness, because watching them suffer is awful and wrong IMO....and I feel the same way about a plant or my own mother. I refuse to watch any living creature suffer and die slowly for my own selfish reasons. Like I said in a previous post, pets are a luxury, not a necessity and they can become very expensive, something that many people don't think about when they become pet parents. Yes, if feel that plants can very much be a part of someone's family. A person's love for their dog is no different than another person's love for their fern, palm tree, or rose bushes. If I had a garden and some of the plants started to wilt and slowly die, yes, I would call a plant specialist to come and look at my plants....why not? If it's something that brings me joy, why not love it and take care of it, regardless of whether it walks on four legs or not? I do visit the fruit and veggie section when I am in need of some produce to eat because since it's at the veggie counter, it's no longer connected to it's life source, just like the meat in the butcher section is no longer grazing in the field. The only emotional attachment I have to either of the two is the nourishment that they will give me after I cook them. If you choose to mourn the beef cutlets in the deli section than more power to you, sir, but I don't go to the supermarket to mourn. Prince Rogers Nelson
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that's right he will tear up some coochie meat | |
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AHEM *cough*
SOme people might want to take their little soap box and move it to Poloitics and Religion PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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mayebelle81 said: that's right he will tear up some coochie meat
Good Gawd..... surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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