wlcm2thdwn said:

prince aint no brother...he only started claiming black when his career was in trouble just like most entertainers

I think the conflict is:

prince fans lost in nostalgia vs. prince wanting to experiment.


I don't think he's lost it, he's just not using it?

happyhappy said:

wait a minute...i can't speak for anyone but myself but i sure the hell am not hoping for a purple rain 2 or a SOTT sequal...for once I would like to be re-challenged by a prince cd just like i was challenged by Meshell and Radiohead's new music...they are not releasing equals of their work from ten or fifteen years ago..they are finding new ways to innovate...and before anyone says, well prince has been doing it for much longer i would like to call your bluff by pointing out Kate Bush released one of her best works last year....and she has been in the business just as long as Prince...

and one final comment...i love how folks bring up the whole "nostalgic" argument yet never point out the fact that prince himself has been stuck in nostalgic mode releasing the same ole sappy r&b ballads album after album and playing hits tours over and over...

maybe prince needs to stop believing his own bs comments like: "my only competition is me in the past".

LIES!!!

mirrorbestfriend said:

Agreed!!

sosgemini said:

first of all YAY FOR RADIOHEAD REFERENCES! I love In Rainbows. (I don't really listen to Kate Bush though :-\ )


And while you are in a different (and more agreeable in my opinion) mindset, a lot of the criticism he gets/has gotten has come from a person who has wanted another Purple Rain. I remember playing Planet Earth recently in an art class, and another student saying "Ugh, Old Prince was great, but I don't know about this"

I guess the point the I was trying to make was that sometimes when Prince tries to experiment, people are easy to be more conservative and criticize something new because it differs from what they're comfortable with, and what works for them.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

Ha!

Chelsea Rogers is a Joss Stone ripoff, complete with cheesy 70's sound!

That shit ain't funky. Put that next to Let's Work! It's no comparison.

Old Prince is better than Prince after 1998!

prettymansson said:

Right on!
/peace Manki

williamb610 said:

some of us mis-understand the funk running through Prince's blood to make the music he does. how many of us could write, arrange and then slap down all the instruments to create funk like Prince does? how many of us have that running through our blood to make people dance?

to compare Prince's funk from earlier days to now, imo, is also pointless; why not accept that people grow and that Prince himself chooses to explore different outlets for his music?

also, let's write to him and ask him to come out with his pubes showin' from his drawls coz we think it's funky

happyhappy said:

I think its the otherway around, Pre 88 was all experimenting

88- present has been mostly re-done pre-87 songs and his attemps to copy and ape the current fads in music,
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Prince has never been all about funk, that's just part of his style. I don't think he could limit himself to just one thing.

When you see Prince live you see he hasn't lost anything except maybe hip flexibility.

But he's had trouble capturing his mastery on record lately. My feeling is he gets an idea for a record that starts strong, and he goes through the motions somewhat in order to finish it--ie. he layers beautiful harmonies all over a weak melody/lyric.

Around the Black Album, I feel Prince started to focus less on composition of songs and more on their arrangement.

violetblues said:

You can still be a funky 60 or 70 year old. Whether that 60 year old still fits yours taste that's for you to decide but being old doesn't mean you can't be funky. People may say James Brown was a caricature of his old days by the 80's and 90's but he was WAY funkier than most of the people doing music in those 2 decades. That's why I responded the way I did.

AvramsDad said:

You must be talking about yourself from what I've read!

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

NDRU said:

ye speaketh the truth. funk is only one genre Prince has mastered.
any musician also wants to please their listeners, and some times
i think he wants to please too many people, or cover too many
grounds at once. for example, if he came out with an all-funk album,
from the first track to the end, then the nay-sayers would have to
re-think the willie nelson/bruce springstein dance moves when he
slapped the chicken grease on them. lawd knows tis the truth ruth.
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LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

cha know, im really starting to sense a bit of prejudice in these willie nelson/bruce springsteen comments...do you mind expanding your thoughts to correct my assumption.

sosgemini said:

prejudice? please explain yourself.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

what's up with the willie nelson/bruce springsteen comments?

I was listening to some outtakes from the 80's earlier today..and i must say..Prince lost A LOT ! of what made him special back in the days..
he was funky and sounded like nobody else on the planet ! when the 90's started..I think he started trying to create more "traditional" forms of soul and funk..and the PRINCE of old Died !
Listen to
Purple Music..
the madhouse tracks..
The shelia E tracks..
The time..
Vanity 6
Appolonia 6
Prince pre 88'
That man is LONG GONE !

sosgemini said:

i'm more than willing to answer you, but don't understand your sense of prejudice. plz explain.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

you keep pointing out people who dance like bruce springsteen and like willie nelson music...well, that could be perceived a a slight towards certain people...hence me asking for you to clarify your comments...

sosgemini said:

which people?

don't play coy.

sos's confusion aside,

my reference to willie nelson and springstein is motivated by this:

1) there was a time when Prince himself, don't know where but some of y'all will, admonished his audience and said something like "clap on the 2 and 4, this ain't a Bruce Springstein concert." not the exact words, but something like that.

2) 2ndly, the way i also see it, is that some people who can't even dance or
pick up an instrument and make music are questioning the funkiness of a man who has been doing his thang for almost 30 years...when Prince shows up at any gig, everybody knows he's gonna turn it out.

sosgemini said:

coy? no, perhaps u need to deal w/ some personal insecurities.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

So you're saying that the audience (some of them) do Bruce & Willie dance moves? I didn't understand that either, I thought you meant Prince was doing them.

NDRU said:

I cannot explain those 2 points any clearer than I have, honestly. No, I did not mean that Prince was doing those moves.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

why don't you stop worrying about other people's taste and judging them on exterior appearances...it's silly when prince does it and it's silly when his fans pick up on it and use it in an argument.
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sosgemini said:

look, i'm not worrying about anybody. please know that. also, when you hint at prejudice it's a serious thing, and you still have not explained yourself. i don't like negative vibes amongst orgers, and have seen mods tell users to take their personal beefs private. so please, if you don't understand something i say, rather avoid false assumptions like "worrying" and if you are going to hint at prejudice, then be bold enough to explain yourself. in addition, feel free to orgnote me if you are still baffled. thx.

prettymansson said:

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

it's not a personal beef...i don't even know you.

now, you keep making vague statements that some could perceived as offensive and i asked you for clarification. you gave the clarification and decided to take a dig at me while doing it. and after giving your explanation i must say your comments are indeed offensive.
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