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Reply #30 posted 11/08/07 4:31pm

roanmairin

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FunkyBrotha said:

Im sorry but this whole thing has blown way out of control, unofficial fan sites should not feature princes image, his music, lyrics or any other intellectual property which is Princes god given right to control.

We are all obeying the same universal laws and if someone uses your image without your permission wouldnt you be pissed off.

I know I am posting this on the org. an unofficial fansite but im sorry you must afford prince the same courtesy you would expect other sites to afford you.

Lets all put housequake and prince.org symbols across our websites and bebo profiles and rename all of our sites in the respective names and see how quickly the unofficial fan sites get pissed off.


That is complete bullshit!!!

This will do nothing but hurt Prince.

He is wrong on this one. Acting a fool really.

It is very sad to watch as a fan.
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Reply #31 posted 11/09/07 7:02am

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roanmairin said:

FunkyBrotha said:

Im sorry but this whole thing has blown way out of control, unofficial fan sites should not feature princes image, his music, lyrics or any other intellectual property which is Princes god given right to control.

We are all obeying the same universal laws and if someone uses your image without your permission wouldnt you be pissed off.

I know I am posting this on the org. an unofficial fansite but im sorry you must afford prince the same courtesy you would expect other sites to afford you.

Lets all put housequake and prince.org symbols across our websites and bebo profiles and rename all of our sites in the respective names and see how quickly the unofficial fan sites get pissed off.


That is complete bullshit!!!

This will do nothing but hurt Prince.

He is wrong on this one. Acting a fool really.

It is very sad to watch as a fan.

I agree with you, but u must remember....he is only targeting people who frequent fansites and post on them. He is not targeting the casual listener
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Reply #32 posted 11/09/07 7:16am

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This rubbish about images is a smokescreen, it's the first salvo in what Prince's ultimate aim is...control, full and absolute.

He has always wanted and sought total control over everything, every aspect of his life is tightly regimented and controlled, from his music to his band and his private life.

This current crop of BS is a recurring motif with Prince, he wants to control what is said about him on these websites, anything negative is deemed unacceptable and must be stopped.


Well what's so wrong about this?
He has always wanted and sought total control over everything, every aspect of his life is tightly regimented and controlled, from his music to his band and his private life.
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Reply #33 posted 11/09/07 1:50pm

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I wish peeps would get over the whole Prince controvery over control and blah blah blah. Personally all I truly care about is Prince's music especially is older stuff. He's a great entertainer. Now ya'll see most of the recent topics are all locked because of all of the extra drama from some fellow members. Geez...Let the man do what he gotta do...its's business...
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Reply #34 posted 11/13/07 9:14am

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daPrettyman said:

roanmairin said:



That is complete bullshit!!!

This will do nothing but hurt Prince.

He is wrong on this one. Acting a fool really.

It is very sad to watch as a fan.

I agree with you, but u must remember....he is only targeting people who frequent fansites and post on them. He is not targeting the casual listener


So. How can people discussing their favorite artist do anything but help his career?.

The man has always been out of touch. This is a foolish mistake targeting fans for being ... fans.
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Reply #35 posted 11/13/07 9:55am

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Prince is gonna havta learn how to pick his battles. Woulda thought he'd learnt that by now.
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Reply #36 posted 11/13/07 2:12pm

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Funkmeimfamous said:

I wonder - If Prince's people didn't throw the 'copyright' legal jargon around and instead said that due to his religious beliefs and his opposition to idol worshipp, the images are asked to be removed in good faith... would it have made a difference.

You people are acting like he killed your mother or something.
[Edited 11/8/07 15:19pm]


Then why did he release his latest album with a picture of him on the cover? Why did he take, approve and put up so many air-brushed photos of him promoting his stay in Las Vegas?

Your "religious beliefs" based on his opposition to "idol worship" does not make sense to me.

It is not about his religious beliefs, it is about control.







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[Edited 11/13/07 14:20pm]
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Reply #37 posted 11/13/07 3:02pm

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Mindflux said:

daPrettyman said:


If you want to talk "legal rights"...Prince doesn't own the rights to a lot of the photographs that are displayed on this and other fan sites...including album covers. It's not that I don't agree with some of the things he is fighting for, I just don't agree with how he's going about it. It's like he's disrespecting his true die-hard fans. Come on, to say that I can't display a pic of my "prince" tattoo is too obsurd. So is sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top.
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]


But he does own the trademark image depicted in the photos, so there is a legal precedent for it, despite him not having the copyright on the image. Not saying its right or wrong, just pointing out how something as seemingly innocent as a photo of a tattoo might constitute an infringement.

It is absurd, but I am sure that's not what this is about. As a defence, people will often blow the proportion of the wording (paticularly something as meticulous as a legal document) to make the request seem unfair, agressive, whatever. I highly doubt there has been a specific request for photos of tattoos etc to be removed, just that the wording of the cease and desist order could be taken to mean that it would cover such images. So, what's being argued is principles and clarity over ambiguity - but that doesn't stop people jumping to conclusions here. Like your statement "sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top." - no-one got sued!

In fact, NO-ONE has yet been sued. The THREAT has been implied, but only as what would be the logical answer as to the conclusion of what would happen should those who have been asked to comply with his requests not do so.


That is the 100% truth.
The issue that I have with Prince is that if it was not for the Uptown's,Housequake's,and Prince.Org's he would not have a third of the publicity he is getting now.

The issue that I have with the Uptown's,Housequake's, and Prince.org's is that Prince is still the reason why we are here and for the most part his wishes need to be followed.

I just wish that Prince could "contract" out to these sources to get the music out to those who desire it. The current state of the biz now will not allow those things to occur and the now greedy music public will not "buy" the products when they can get them for free via internet.
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Reply #38 posted 11/14/07 2:16pm

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muleFunk said:

the now greedy music public will not "buy" the products when they can get them for free via internet.


Actually a recent study commissioned by the government of Canada found exactly the opposite was happening.

At least in Canada anyway.
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Reply #39 posted 11/14/07 3:03pm

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FunkyBrotha said:

Im sorry but this whole thing has blown way out of control, unofficial fan sites should not feature princes image, his music, lyrics or any other intellectual property which is Princes god given right to control.

We are all obeying the same universal laws and if someone uses your image without your permission wouldnt you be pissed off.

I know I am posting this on the org. an unofficial fansite but im sorry you must afford prince the same courtesy you would expect other sites to afford you.

Lets all put housequake and prince.org symbols across our websites and bebo profiles and rename all of our sites in the respective names and see how quickly the unofficial fan sites get pissed off.


Finally a sane voice of reason is upon us.
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Reply #40 posted 11/14/07 3:33pm

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Reply #41 posted 11/14/07 3:34pm

m3taverse

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daPrettyman said:


If you want to talk "legal rights"...Prince doesn't own the rights to a lot of the photographs that are displayed on this and other fan sites...including album covers. It's not that I don't agree with some of the things he is fighting for, I just don't agree with how he's going about it. It's like he's disrespecting his true die-hard fans. Come on, to say that I can't display a pic of my "prince" tattoo is too obsurd. So is sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top.
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]


But he does own the trademark image depicted in the photos, so there is a legal precedent for it, despite him not having the copyright on the image. Not saying its right or wrong, just pointing out how something as seemingly innocent as a photo of a tattoo might constitute an infringement.

It is absurd, but I am sure that's not what this is about. As a defence, people will often blow the proportion of the wording (paticularly something as meticulous as a legal document) to make the request seem unfair, agressive, whatever. I highly doubt there has been a specific request for photos of tattoos etc to be removed, just that the wording of the cease and desist order could be taken to mean that it would cover such images. So, what's being argued is principles and clarity over ambiguity - but that doesn't stop people jumping to conclusions here. Like your statement "sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top." - no-one got sued!

In fact, NO-ONE has yet been sued. The THREAT has been implied, but only as what would be the logical answer as to the conclusion of what would happen should those who have been asked to comply with his requests not do so.


1. The examples of the tatoo and the license plates are real, these were actually demanded to be taken down. There have also been demands to have control over how we refer to Prince. There is a demand that the word Prince cannot be used in things such as search engines on these sites. Some day all the documents come out and I will be here to remind you of this post.

2. Saying that noone has been sued yet is a red herring, and it's dubious you would put this out there under the guise of a valid argument. Actual people are being threathened with actual fines and actual jailtime. Besides, please realise that threathening people with lawsuits is a crime in itself if 1. you know you are wrong but count on your bigger wallet to win by default or 2. you never had the intention of following through. So your very argument, if true, makes Prince and his team criminals under American law.
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Reply #42 posted 11/14/07 8:16pm

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liberation said:

This rubbish about images is a smokescreen, it's the first salvo in what Prince's ultimate aim is...control, full and absolute.

Well, it's like an addiction.
I'm sure that if Prince had a choice, he would'nt want to be like that.
See,
I can kind of emphasize with the ol' boy.
I used to be addicted to full & absolute control.
To the point where,
that at one juncture in my life,
I actually owned a vast army of killer cyber-drones which I controlled from afar with my fissioned-powered encephaphalometronic module (which over the years has been modified to incorporate all of the functions of my head, which, I had surgically removed & replaced with this state-of-the-art yet delicate piece of sophisticated equipment. It's one of the main reasons why I almost never go outside. As a matter of fact, if i didn't live in an area where the all of the mailboxes were posted on wooden poles outside near the curb, therefore requiring that I venture out-of-doors daily to pick it up ,
I would never even an excuse to pass thru the front door.
And I know, I know... maybe I should consider moving someplace where the post is delivered to a slot in the door, but this is a good & quiet nieghborhood. And the yards are not only huge, but full of dark, enriched soil, full of nutrients that keep the lawns lush & vegetable gardens chockful of produce of abnormally substantial mass & growth. Since I've lived here, I've been growing tomatoes the the size of baby-heads!
Oh, and the scenery. It's just so beautiful, serene & quiet out here.
Plus, I got this place for a real bargain. It was owned by a sweet old lady, who's husband had built the place with nought but the aid of his brother, the sweat of his brow & the focused determination that is resonant with that of an immigrant with a dream. After he passed away, she just couldn't handle the upkeep & had to unload it for the sake of her aged health & her now limited pension earnings.
But,
I friggin' digress....). I was so bad, that, at the time, I settled for nothing less other than absolute rule of this godforsaken planet.
Well,
the fact that none of y'all is currently cowering under my thumb can give you an indication of just well that plan panned out.
(Take it from someone who knows, kids. Get-rich-quick schemes never work.)


I say, if we let the natural course of things to flow alone,
Prince will come to learn the same lesson that I did.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

As the saying goes,
"When Man plans,
God laughs."

Everytime I look in the mirror,
I am humbly reminded of this.
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Reply #43 posted 11/14/07 8:19pm

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Illustrator said
As the saying goes,
"When Man plans,
God laughs."

i like this! smile
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Reply #44 posted 11/14/07 8:20pm

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lottielooloo1968 said:

Illustrator said
As the saying goes,
"When Man plans,
God laughs."

i like this! smile


the other stuff was a bit over my head lol
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Reply #45 posted 11/14/07 8:27pm

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FunkyBrotha said:

Im sorry but this whole thing has blown way out of control, unofficial fan sites should not feature princes image, his music, lyrics or any other intellectual property which is Princes god given right to control.

We are all obeying the same universal laws and if someone uses your image without your permission wouldnt you be pissed off.

I know I am posting this on the org. an unofficial fansite but im sorry you must afford prince the same courtesy you would expect other sites to afford you.

Lets all put housequake and prince.org symbols across our websites and bebo profiles and rename all of our sites in the respective names and see how quickly the unofficial fan sites get pissed off.


It is Prince protecting his work and his rights as a musician...
I posted this on another thread about illegal use of his photographs (pictures for Americans)
Prince’s image is copyrighted. The photographer or Prince has rights to photographs of his image unless the photographs are sold to a periodical. Unless the photographer or Prince give the individual permission to use photographs of his image, it is illegal to use it.
Scanned photographs from periodical etc are ILLEGAL.
The photographs used were photo-shopped (illegal), not promoting science or arts and so NOT “fair use”.
They were disparaging, humiliating, damaging to Prince’s public profile (of which he derives income, boy can I go on and on here) etc.
They were used for commercial website for commercial gain (generating traffic / ad space rental).

Prince’s legal team served the DCMA and the web pages were removed…
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Reply #46 posted 11/14/07 8:42pm

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Mindflux said:

daPrettyman said:


If you want to talk "legal rights"...Prince doesn't own the rights to a lot of the photographs that are displayed on this and other fan sites...including album covers. It's not that I don't agree with some of the things he is fighting for, I just don't agree with how he's going about it. It's like he's disrespecting his true die-hard fans. Come on, to say that I can't display a pic of my "prince" tattoo is too obsurd. So is sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top.
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]


But he does own the trademark image depicted in the photos, so there is a legal precedent for it, despite him not having the copyright on the image. Not saying its right or wrong, just pointing out how something as seemingly innocent as a photo of a tattoo might constitute an infringement.
It is absurd, but I am sure that's not what this is about. As a defence, people will often blow the proportion of the wording (paticularly something as meticulous as a legal document) to make the request seem unfair, agressive, whatever. I highly doubt there has been a specific request for photos of tattoos etc to be removed, just that the wording of the cease and desist order could be taken to mean that it would cover such images. So, what's being argued is principles and clarity over ambiguity - but that doesn't stop people jumping to conclusions here. Like your statement "sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top." - no-one got sued!

In fact, NO-ONE has yet been sued. The THREAT has been implied, but only as what would be the logical answer as to the conclusion of what would happen should those who have been asked to comply with his requests not do so.


Just as Nike owns Trademark to the swoosh logo and no one else can use it on their product... so does Prince of his symbol. Use of the symbol on anything means that it "belongs to or is a Product manufactured by" Prince. Now the problem is when fans use it as a tattoo.. (a big issue). Can they do it, sure they can (discreetly). Can they do it and post pictures of it on the internet for millions of their "friends" to view it and infringe on his trademark, (debatable). They should at least ask permission I think. The internet laws are still in their infancy. I am not a lawyer, I am speculating....
[Edited 11/14/07 21:23pm]
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Reply #47 posted 11/14/07 8:44pm

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FunkyBrotha said:

Prince didnt agree to you posting pictures advertising 21 nights in London.

Also public airing of music without a license is illegal and sites such as YouTube should be liable under those laws.

The use of your image without your permission is also illegal when it is side by side with copyrighted material, copyright doesnt have to be enshrined in some document somewhere.

Im glad Prince is fighting for this, he is a pioneer and Im sure the European Intellectual Property Commission will be pleased he is putting up a fight on this one.


I so love you whoever you are, it is about time someone stepped up and took Prince's side and let in the light biggrin
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Reply #48 posted 11/14/07 8:57pm

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Mindflux said:

daPrettyman said:


If you want to talk "legal rights"...Prince doesn't own the rights to a lot of the photographs that are displayed on this and other fan sites...including album covers. It's not that I don't agree with some of the things he is fighting for, I just don't agree with how he's going about it. It's like he's disrespecting his true die-hard fans. Come on, to say that I can't display a pic of my "prince" tattoo is too obsurd. So is sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top.
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]
[Edited 11/8/07 11:17am]


But he does own the trademark image depicted in the photos, so there is a legal precedent for it, despite him not having the copyright on the image. Not saying its right or wrong, just pointing out how something as seemingly innocent as a photo of a tattoo might constitute an infringement.

It is absurd, but I am sure that's not what this is about. As a defence, people will often blow the proportion of the wording (paticularly something as meticulous as a legal document) to make the request seem unfair, agressive, whatever. I highly doubt there has been a specific request for photos of tattoos etc to be removed, just that the wording of the cease and desist order could be taken to mean that it would cover such images. So, what's being argued is principles and clarity over ambiguity - but that doesn't stop people jumping to conclusions here. Like your statement "sueing a kid for dancing to one of his songs in a video is way over the top." - no-one got sued!

In fact, NO-ONE has yet been sued. The THREAT has been implied, but only as what would be the logical answer as to the conclusion of what would happen should those who have been asked to comply with his requests not do so.


Thank-you for the clarification and I agree 100%
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Reply #49 posted 11/14/07 9:04pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

Mindflux said:


But he does own the trademark image depicted in the photos


Does he? I though he couldn't get it bacuause of it's similarity to the sign for soapstone?

Regardless, he distributed it into the free market for use as him name, for public use. He even sent the font out for us to use!


Was that in a special letter to squirrel? hmmm What else did he send you? wink

He didn't distribute it, he came out and made people aware of it (trademark).
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Reply #50 posted 11/14/07 9:19pm

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roanmairin said:

daPrettyman said:


I agree with you, but u must remember....he is only targeting people who frequent fansites and post on them. He is not targeting the casual listener


So. How can people discussing their favorite artist do anything but help his career?.

The man has always been out of touch. This is a foolish mistake targeting fans for being ... fans.


Not everyone on these sites are his fans... there are some "fans" who are particularly hateful to him and his image. They call him vulgar names, post photoshopped pictures of him and damage his image with disparaging remarks. He can only protect his pictures, videos, songs, lyrics not his image (which he relies on for his income?) The mods here are not that strict. Sorry I disagree.
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Reply #51 posted 11/15/07 12:03am

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FunkyBrotha said:

Im sorry but this whole thing has blown way out of control, unofficial fan sites should not feature princes image, his music, lyrics or any other intellectual property which is Princes god given right to control.

We are all obeying the same universal laws and if someone uses your image without your permission wouldnt you be pissed off.

I know I am posting this on the org. an unofficial fansite but im sorry you must afford prince the same courtesy you would expect other sites to afford you.

Lets all put housequake and prince.org symbols across our websites and bebo profiles and rename all of our sites in the respective names and see how quickly the unofficial fan sites get pissed off.


lol but thats what fansites are for.: pics,lyrics,discussion,etc. he wants it his way like this is burger king.hes throwing out these threats like a kid throwing toys out of the box cause they're being a brat.
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Reply #52 posted 11/15/07 7:25pm

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That is the reason for my earlier post.
The fansites are free advertising for the artist until the image gets misused.
Everybody is right and everybody is wrong.
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