he's from detroit-a dj-bit of a muso,hiphop head etc(his day job is emergency doctor)

anyway he made the following point and i was pretty much speechless.....

he said the great artists like The beatles,the stones,bob dyllan,michael jackson,stevie wonder....

you can dig and dig and eventually you WILL come to a bottom

but prince? you can dig and dig and dig and THERE IS NO BOTTOM-

(he made this comment whilst listening to the RAINBOW CHILDREN for the first time)

he is so utterly multifacetted-

....and after being a fan for 20 years it was one of the most PRECISE things id ever heard about P and to me it makes perfect sense.

prince? keep on digging and you will never get there.....i like that!

So true..

hes got a point

agreed

unless your friend defines what that bottom is that those other musicians have but Prince doesn't, he has said absolutely nothing. what does that mean, he has no bottom? it is absoultely meaningless.

and what are you guys agreeing with, what he said has no meaning, it is simply nonsense that Prince fams can use to make themselves feel better about themselves for being Prince fans. "look, my idol has no bottom. isn't he great, which makes me great for liking him."

yeah, that's great. but what does it mean?

"it means he has no bottom."

but what does that mean?

"it means he's multifaceted."

how does having no bottom mean he is multifaceted?

"it just does because it makes Prince great! shut up!"

typical Prince fan nonsense.

dumbass said:

well it came from a non-prince fan and it just.....sort of makes sense-quit analysing if its getting you tetchy and please please stop using that word FAM!

He's a bottomless pit of talent.Very cool!

jonylawson said:

langebleu said:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

.....

a little corny,but true.

A bottomless pit
But what does it mean?
They flashed my picture
But I was NOT at the scene

Flowerz said:

I'm gonna seek this thing like some buried treasure...

That's what I typically do when I listen to him, especially the more thought-provoking work. And I feel like I always have to take things to another level.
Like with "The Beautiful Ones." At one time, I knew what he meant, but I'm thinking that there has to be something more 2 it.
That's why Prince is great. There's always something new to figure out in his music and/or about him. And I like learning as much as I can about that extraordinary we all "know" and "love".

Maybe if you're talking in terms of volume of music. But in terms of figurative "depth," I'd tend to disagree.

As much as I love Prince as the artist most responsible for my love of music as a whole, I'd submit that there are many artists who can match if not exceed his "depth." A Love Supreme and Kind of Blue contain more depth than most of his catalogue.

And I think it all depends on your perspective. Some feel feel the same about Dylan, Hendrix, Stevie, et al.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Ain't no mystery involved in what he's seeking in that song.

Music from the likes of artists such as Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind and Fire, and the Beatles beg to be rediscover over and over, I love Prince's music, but he is not the only artist with "multi-layered" music. There is alot of treasure diggin' to had with lots of other music as well. Props to your friend for enjoying Prince.

paintedlady said:

Heh, I know that. But I think I plain don't want to believe that anyone else is multi-layered.
Cuz I really only have the time and stamina for Prince and he already gives me a run for my money. I picked him out of all the other "multi-layered" artists cuz I could not only relate to him, but I saw him first.



I know, I couldn't resist.

dumbass said:

Dumbass, you have a right to your opinion. I mean no disrespect to other wonderful artists. They shine in their own spotlight and I am sure their catalog\s support them and their families, to this day - if their music and performances sale records and concert tickets. (I worked in the music industry for nearly 29 years; 22 as a Music Royalties Supervisor. All a song writer needs is a great song, that a lot of people identify with
and their music will sale from generation to generation. e.g. A parent plays their favorite music, their children grow-up and purchase these songs, just on the nostalgia factor, alone. Another, if a song written years before is used in a commercial or a movie; it generates record sales.)

From day one (perhaps not so, today) Prince’s record sales - were at best - mostly weak compared to other artists; air play - close to non-existent. These were the “staples” of the music industries besides the concerts. Prince has “staying power”, if only on the laurels of his live performances. Name the artist\s that perfom for two to three hours, then play another two hours during an After Show? Now let’s go to his song writing...Prince has written some of the more creative lyrics I have heard. Sure some of his lyrics and songs are not spectacular but the a lot of them are. Add to this song writing talent (words are powerful tools IMHO), his musical genre fusions, his looks, his swagger, his “pushing the envelope” (2004: SoundScan and Billboard revised their policies because of Prince’s idea of including a cd with the ticket sales), the God and sex ideas. Oh yeah, those high heels! Anyone... fan or not will utter “There’s only one Prince.”

Your remarks about Orgers: The Org has taken a life of it’s own, not only because we have Prince in common but because we are cool with each other. For the most part. Sappiness alert - but I’m not lying The warmth for one another on this website, is genuine. I have laughed out loud (oops...meant LOL) and been brought to tears, thanks to a lot of humorous posts. Thanks Orgers, @)-}-----

My . :
[Edited 9/26/07 11:53am]

jonylawson said:

For jonylawson, @)-}-----

dumbass said:

Wow. What a SCREED. Maybe we need to visit the other forums before we make any sweeping judgments, what about it sport?

Graycap23 said:

somebody please make him stop!

Tis very true indeed....

I am a HUGE fan and own everything released commercially (and my boots are
laced up pretty high too)...and I haven't heard TONS of his music.

And lets not even talk about live performances and the different variations
of the same songs that he pulls out LIVE...

bottomless pit for real.

jonylawson said:

I think it's interesting that your friend is a "hip hop head". I'm guessing, but that could possibly make him more suseptable to overstating Prince's considerable talents than those of either the Beatles or Dylan? (not much Dylan played by the hip hop DJ's).

I'm a Prince fan of 23 years and have all the released stuff and have pretty much delved as far into him as I have the Beatles, of whom ive been a fan for some 27 years. In terms of numbers of different styles and subjects covered in their music, I don't see Prince as being any more complete an artist, even though his catalogue is at least TWICE the size of the Beatles and he's operated as a recording artist some 3 1/2 times longer than the Beatles paltry 8 years.

I don't really accept as correct something a friend might say, just because it fits in with what I want to be true. I guess I can only compare my thoughts on Prince with those on the Beatles as a long term fan of BOTH MYSELF, with complete collections and therefore little if any bias towards either.(I notice, you say you've been a Prince fan for 20 years. How long have you been a Bealtes or Stones or Dylan fan, in order to compare fairly and PERSONALLY their bodies of work, and thus deem your friend to be correct and DEEP)? In that sense I base my observations on knowing the material of both artists equally, and not relying on some off the cuff comment of a friend, be he emergency room doctor or shelf stacker.

"Deep" tends to be a reaction to a statement that we want to think is right. Had I said the same to you in reverse about the Beatles or Stevie Wonder or Frank Zappa, you might have thought I was talking bulsh*t rather than deep? My own experience as a huge fan of both Prince and the Beatles is that for my money, in my collection of 3,000+ C.D's, they are two of the acts that I probably feel most proud to have in my collection, and I don't feel one has to be deemed any deeper or more bottomless than the other.

So without knocking Prince and his music in any way, I disagree with ur Hip Hop head friend's analysis of the Beatles, Stones or Dylan, and don't see where the relevence of his job comes into the opinions he has on music! That seemed a curious () to include in the framework of your thread. Does his medical prowess make his comments on music any deeper than those of a guy/girl flipping burgers? I found that part of your validation of the correctness of his "deep" statement worrying. (Do you know what I do for a living, or anyone else on here? If I'm a top, respected cardio vascualr consultant...does that make me right 2 on Prince)?

Deep? Nah Brah. If we really wanted to, we can find Prince's bottom. It's pretty obvious sometimes to see who inspired Prince. It's cool your friend has such a reverence for him though.

Sowhat said:

Your friend hasn't heard Poom Poom obviously.

prettylies said:

I'm a hip-hop "head" and a Beatles fan, as well as a fan of many other genres of music. So that remark can be construed as more than a little condescending. Given that DJ's and hip-hop heads rely heavily on sampling, I'd submit that their knowledge of many types of music can meet or exceed those of many "music fans."

But I'm sure you didn't intend it to come off that way.



You raise a very good point. "Depth" in this context can be interpreted several ways. The depth of one Beatles song could match or exceed that of dozens of Prince songs combined. Or vice versa, depending on your POV.



How long have you been listening to Prince and the Beatles again? I don't think you mentioned it anywhere.

just kidding.

In any event, I think you read too much into what jony said. IIRC, Jony's a knowledgeable fan. It could be that this friend's comment simply boiled down Jony's own perceptions about Prince into one sentence. Jony may not necessarily have been agreeing with his friend's perceptions of Prince vis-a-vis those other artists. It could be you're reading too much into what Jony is saying.




Tell us more about your collection!!!!! That's a big "trough o' tunes" you got there, champ!



But it all depends on perspective and context. One person's Prince is another person's pauper. Reasonable minds can disagree. If Jony or Jony's friend plumbs the depths of Prince and finds his music deeper than other artists, who are you, or I, to question that perspective?

But you do raise a valid point. One's perspective is more persuasive if he actually knows a lot about the artists whose names he drops.



I think you're taking it out of context. Jony's introductory sentence was incidental to the story, i.e., "an ER doc and a DJ . . . go figure!" As I read the post, Jony wasn't trying to establish this person's qualifications to render the opinion.

NDRU said:

Now, see.