christos7 said:

yeah, that's me alright.
and spare me the "prince-speak".
you may think that he'll stroll in here and "befriend" you or give you a job or something, but it's not gonna happen.



THAT'S WHAT THE INTERNET IS. THAT'S WHAT YOUTUBE IS.
it's a way to share it with friends that don't live around the corner from you.

Believe me, if i were throwing a party in Detroit where i live, and promoted the hell out of a Prince video night, charged NO MONEY and 1000 people showed up, you don't think i'd get a cease and desist from the purple midget's lawyers? You KNOW i would.

So it's all about the size of the issue, and not the issue. AGAIN, Prince only goes after people if he thinks there's some money to be made/saved by shutting someone else down. Even if they're not in it for the money.

I'll stop trying to convince someone, who's obviously blindly down for the purple cause.

I'll like to sue him for poisoning the airwaves with "Future Baby Mama". Great PR move, Prince. Meanwhile "Planet Earth" is plummeting down the charts.

emesem said:

EXACTLY.

The ONLY reason why Prince "gives away his music" is to manipulate Soundscan to make it seem like he's selling more albums than he actually is.

Has NOTHING to do with the fans. He's a HYPOCRITE.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Mhm..thought so...
Brother, 4 all u know, I AM prince, and I already work 4 him.

Now lemme pull out The Motels CD and listen 2 Total Control...
U may have 2 do a search on that 1.

PleasurePrinciple said:

that's Prince's fault for having so many adoring fans. shame on him

VickiWaiting said:

yep they do get paid for videos... thing is I know he has lots of money but other jobs you do the work and you get paid... why should he offer stuff for free? The gig tkts at the O2 are £31.21 and a'shows(which have been AMAZING)are such a bargain at £25, he is nice to his fans not like Led Zeppelin who charge £125 a ticket and do one night!

The man is a fool!

aymiderham said:

say that again 2 the fans that were shut out of the hampton shows which were $1500 per ticket. tell that 2 those that couldn't get in2 the roosevelt shows in LA which were $3121 bucks. tell that 2 those that DID shell out $312.01 4 the new years party in vegas.

acts like the police and led zepplin, are acts that aren't producing and putting out material like prince is. in fact, one key memember of led zepplin is no longer with us. there shouldn't b a problem with them charging what they charge compared 2 what prince does charge 4 his shows. so ur getting a break in london which translates 2 roughly 60-75 bucks in US currency. Prince IS just as "greedy" as every artist out there right now. don't b fooled.

I read this a little while ago and had to shake my head. You know, I was just telling the Mrs that there is a website that I frequent on a daily basis that has the link to every single one of his albums, unreleased projects, side projects, and live albums and it's all FREE! All you have to do is click the file and there you have it. I am not trying to put salt into Prince's wound because I love and respect the man to the utmost but let's be real -- there is no way to control this thing called the World Wide Web. Okay, so he can take action against YouTube and eBay but someone somewhere will place that material elsewhere for people to get it.

I am disappointed because it was Prince that wanted to "free the music" several years ago. He had a good thing with the NPG Music Club where folks could see videos (Sheila E's "Koo Koo") and hear songs that were never released. People were actually paying good money for this stuff and then what? He takes the site down. People want their Prince fix so they go places where they can get the music. You can't do that to your fans and expect people to continue to support you. And why is Prince always wanting to sue a fan or any type of entity that he feels is a threat to his music or his legacy? I think this is a ridiculous lawsuit and it's only gonna make him look bad.

Prince. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt at times and he pulls a stunt like this. Oh well. How ironic considering that earlier today I went out and copped the "Musicology Tour" on a bootleg DVD?

poeticrockstar said:

This is just when I want to ask for an orgnote

bboy87 said:

(ROTFLMAO)

I'm so ashamed.

poeticrockstar said:

EXACTLY - what happened with all that "you're not my fan you're my friend shit"! He manipulates the system to what works best for him. I love him, but why does he have to always be the crusader? It makes him look like an extremist that's really not about the music at all, just all about the principal of the matter.

Such a sad occupation! I don't believe it will lead to True Happiness! I understand the need to control-but then 1 might as well disappear from anything public period! It's gettin old right about now-just like the direction of this Country! God just needs to come around now & stop all the hidden evil-as well as that out in the open-neither is better-1 is just sneakier than the other-people know it too!Not just a select few need to open their eyes!Got anymore games to play???

VickiWaiting said:

I just shake my head at this. I don't know... maybe it's to draw attention to the fact that "Planet Earth" didn't sell well. I'm just baffled because he can "give" his CD's away in newspapers and then attack websites that show his old videos. It's almost like a slap in the face, really. Besides, what's the big deal? Madonna, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, and many others have content on those respective sites and you don't see or hear them griping about anything.

I really miss Prince before all this resurgence kicked in. Before the "Musicology" project, you could pay to see him in an intimate setting and even get to speak to the man. He was just a bit more fan friendly and accessible. Now? Please!

christos7 said:

So therefore, your argument is INVALID.
Don't pretend to speak for the fans,
when you are no longer one of them.

You're on the payroll,
so therefore everything you SAY is suspect.



late.

Wow, and these are fans? O yee of little faith. Just a week ago you all were showing pictures, talking about what it would be like to meet Prince, how much you love him, etc. This week, you're ready to tar and feather him in the town square--get real!

1. Websites sell ad space and get PAID. This allows those of you who spend time on the sites to see whatever you're looking to see. The websites don't pay any royalties to anyone, except of course the shareholders who own stock in the corporate entity.

2. I've seen You Tube a couple of times and frankly, the concept of putting stupid videos of oneself on a public site which is not regulated makes me think the participants lack self-esteem, have no life and do it only because SOMEHOW they truly believe they might get "discovered" and become famous like some of the other non-talented reality-tv idiots. YOU BEEN HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZELED! - Our Man deserves to be in better company!

3. Grow up! Prince and the Record Industries have a legal right and obligation to protect their intellectual property (the music, videos, photos). That's business and it's really not--all about the $$. However, You Tube IS making money off of you and you don't even realize it. You support it! But when it comes to it is your belief that he should take the hit? (Of course this should be said for any artist.)

4. You say this should help Prince with marketing-- bull sh*t watching the videos on You Tube is not and does not make anyone go out and buy anything--that's the whole point of putting them on the website, HELLO. Be honest, you're not going to go out (and haven't gone out) to purchase any video you've seen on the ANY website. People download whatever they can these days (remember the pictures) and use them for their own purposes.

5. There have been photos of Prince on various websites that, well, let's say he probably would like out of circulation--we've all laughed at them, but imagine if it was you! I can honestly say that there's at least one picture of me in the 80s that I wouldn't want circulated. (And, I'm sure there's at least one photo of you--at some point of your life--that you would make you cringe. ) Just because Prince is famous doesn't mean he has no rights! Let's just suppose that he does want to start a family and change up his style a bit--shouldn't he have the right to determine how he is portrayed in the public?

6. The music business is having some problems by its own admission--much like the movie industry went into a dive when DVDs were first released. This is a corporate battle, plain and simple. Like the stock market adjusts itself, the same is true in this instance.

7. I believe as another Orger suggested, eventually all of this will make sense to us. You may have gotten mad at Prince before, but he always comes back with a solution. We should support him in this.

Twinkly1 said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

Twinkly1 said:

you can't be taken seriously.


no, really.

christos7 said:

RIGHT.

Twinkly1 said:

I'll speak on this in the AM, when i'm less coherent.

Twinkly1 said:

Twinkly1 said:

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i'll speak on this in the AM, when i'm more coherent.

so are you coherent or incoherent?

sosgemini said:

at this moment?

both.


which is not good.....

First of all

What is happening to music and movies has never happened before,..... where your product travels around the world in a blink of an eye without your consent and out of your control.

All the media giants that have made fortunes and empires, (Time Warner being one of them) should be worried.

How do you protect your intellectual properties that earn your money?

I certainly don't know.

Prince doesn't know.

Is THIS the right thing for him to do?

Will companies keep bankrolling movies or music if there is no profit?

The truth is something has got to be done, and will be done, if music and movies are to be business that are supposed to be profitable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...993752.stm

Pop star Prince is demanding that video sharing website YouTube removes clips of his recent concerts in London.

The singer says he is taking action against the site, and others like it, to "reclaim his art on the internet".

More than 1,000 unauthorised clips have been taken down in the last few days, according to Web Sheriff, the UK firm he has hired to enforce the ban.

The star is also targeting online shops which, he says, infringe his copyright by selling unauthorised merchandise.

"Prince believes strongly that... copyrights should be protected across the board," a spokesman for the star said.

rince has spent the summer playing 21 gigs at the O2 arena in London, which end next week.

Fans have been banned from taking photographs or video footage on their mobile phones, but many have still posted clips on YouTube.

John Giacobbi, managing director of Web Sheriff, said: "Some artists are very relaxed about the use of their image and music on the internet, some less so.

"Prince feels very strongly that people should remember his concerts as they were, not as some grainy mobile phone footage."

The artist has also instructed Web Sheriff to police unauthorised distribution of his music on file-sharing websites such as Pirate Bay, and is seeking to stop auction sites like eBay from selling unauthorised merchandise.

Mr Giacobbi said: "We are not targeting fans who might want to sell their copy of Purple Rain, we are targeting companies in China manufacturing Prince handbags and selling them in their thousands.

"Prince's actions are a brave and pioneering step to challenge the status quo and hand control over internet rights back to the artists."

Prince has been famously protective of his artistic rights, becoming embroiled in a squabble with record company Warner Brothers over the ownership of his master tapes in the 1990s.

As part of his protest, he changed his name to a symbol and wrote the word "slave" on his cheek during public appearances.

Since fulfilling his contract with the company, he has only released albums online or through special one-off deals with other record labels.

In the UK, his most recent album, Planet Earth, was given away free with the Mail On Sunday newspaper.

Several websites offered copies of the album for download as soon as the paper went on sale - despite the album being sold commercially in the rest of the world.

Imago said:

This statement from someone whose Avatar is a man's groin with a sock in it?