ugh Prince needs to shut the fuck up and go fuck himself.

Poosay!!!

theodore said:

Oh, shit, son! Where ya' been? How could the org just let you slip by? Listen, if you were reading that goodbye thread you made before you left and you see my first two comments, don't be angry. I sincerely apologize, dude. Peace.....
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In short it means that if I want to post a video of Prince's work on YouTube or anywhere else that I can discuss, criticize, or teach the younger generation what real music is, as long as I'm not selling it, thereby infringing upon the potential market for or value of said work...I CAN!!!

ugh Prince needs to shut the fuck up and go fuck himself.

Poosay!!!

Another pathetic move on Prince's part. He lives in an isolated world, has lived in one for decades, and it shows in moves such as this.

Since it's apparent he can no longer make music worthwhile, it's too bad he can't put this sort of energy into something more fruitful such as remastering his back catalog, a move that would make him a mint in the process.

Unfortunately he won't do the above because of his bizarre religious beliefs and I wouldn't be surprised if the Youtube move is being fueled by whatever sort of out of touch zealotry he subscribes to. He likely believes he can cancel out the years of his life which are the only ones 95% of the world care about.

Go into the studio and try to write something that doesn't sound like it was composed by Shania Twain or a 13 year old writing an essay on Earth Day or remaster the only music you made that mattered but don't be so dense as to try and halt what is ultimately free promotion. Moron.

Next topic.

Wall said:

Hitting the nail on the head!!!!

With a rusty old hammer.
Planet Earth is a groove.

whendovescry2000 said:

ugh Prince needs to shut the fuck up and go fuck himself.

Poosay!!!

I'll say this shit again:

If this leprecaun muthafucker cared about his work so much, why has he neglected his back catalog for so damn long and tries to forget what he's done in the past? I know alot of ya'll might hate me for saying this, but nobody gives a damn about Prince these days except for us! We're the ones who have been supporting his purple punk ass for the past 12 years while he was making "ok" music. I swear, growing up, I came to the conclusion that Prince fans and MJ fans are some of the most resiliant people in the world because we have to deal with alot of shit. On one hand, one hero is music's favorite oddball and people want him to self destruct, while the other hero sues his fans and basically wants to destruct his 30 year career!

Look at the 1978-1995 albums. They are in terrible quality but he doesn't give a damn.

I wonder how he still has fans

I'll say this shit again:

If this leprecaun muthafucker cared about his work so much, why has he neglected his back catalog for so damn long and tries to forget what he's done in the past? I know alot of ya'll might hate me for saying this, but nobody gives a damn about Prince these days except for us! We're the ones who have been supporting his purple punk ass for the past 12 years while he was making "ok" music. I swear, growing up, I came to the conclusion that Prince fans and MJ fans are some of the most resiliant people in the world because we have to deal with alot of shit. On one hand, one hero is music's favorite oddball and people want him to self destruct, while the other hero sues his fans and basically wants to destruct his 30 year career!

Look at the 1978-1995 albums. They are in terrible quality but he doesn't give a damn.

I wonder how he still has fans

bboy87 said:

I wonder more how he still has fanatics like you, both as a fan and as a "contributor" to this forum? Its odd to me that some on here, yourself included, can garner so much hatred for a musician (that very notion itself, is perplexing) and still frequent a fan-site? Bizarre behaviour

bboy87 said:

WHENDOVESCRY2000 RESPONSE TO Mindflux

Upon reading your response to the above posting I decided to reply .

I wonder more how he still has fanatics like you, both as a fan and as a "contributor" to this forum. Its odd to me that some on here, yourself included, can garner so much hatred for a musician (that very notion itself, is perplexing) and still frequent a fan-site? Bizarre behavior:-?

The anger/hatred is there because as a fan, there is a parameter that stars/celebrities/artist interact with their respective fan base. Red carpet premieres, book signing, cd release party and so forth, this also includes TV, cable interviews and the new format internet. I do not condone or support the fan that chases the subject in question into bathrooms and stalks their homes (David Letterman's uninvited guest comes to mind) but at the same time being a star does require you to acknowledge your fan base on some level. With avenues such as the internet and websites where people have taking the time to either create something devoted to said artist, or posted something displaying their talent without attempting to ridicule or demean said artist. Why attack and deny fans such an open safe avenue of interaction. It is not anger/hatred for the musician but for his inconsistent actions and failure to acknowledge his fans. Please note it is this same musician that FORCED thousands of fans to close their websites - websites that supported him!!! Why do some of us still come here even though there is anaomosity? You cane have anger towards someone and still like that same someone. Prince is a genius - I have said it for decades now, hence my willingness to come here from time to time. But I won't be buying anything of his creations/product for a long time.


Could it not be the case that, as Prince does not own the masters he cannot re-master them? Surely that would be a decision for Warner, as to whether to issue re-masters?

Prince does not own his masters, that is correct as much as I can ascertain, he still has the final say so. Example, Prince The Ultimate collection being held back because he didn't want erotic city, sexy mutha fucker on the release censoring himself even though his fans want it.



In what way is he trying to forget his past? His shows over here recently were laden with old material - that was someone embracing their back-catalogue, not forgetting it. And speaking of which, you reckon its only orgers that have supported him? Not just now, but for 12 years? I think you need to take that head of yours out of the orgs arse for a little while and realise that there are 400,000+ people in the UK that would disagree with that wild statement!

This statement is kinda harsh over all (and I know harsh statements - I have posted quite a few) but here is my attempt to address. He (Prince) changes his lyrics in concerts even DMSR he has changed, he denies people the opportunity to see his "old" stuff yet you can watch anything new, until the release is considered old. Performing his old songs in concert is a no brainer - he has to because that's what people want. I don't think any concert goer is going to pay to see Prince perform every track on Planet Earth and not even one song from Purple Rain. Orgs - well he was directing the comment to supporting adequate music for the past 12 years - I mean I recall a time when you could put a Prince cd on and never want to take it off because everyone was good. And now - shiiittt. I skip over nearly every third track. Prince's last consistent release I believe was emancipation - concise organized and each cd was... (READ THIS PRINCE!!! CONSISTANT). You stated that their are 400,000 + still he//she meant that over the past 12 years we orgs, 400,000+ UK have support cd's offering tracks of ego shit.

So you really think that you need to be resilient to be a fan of a musician? Wow - let's hope you don't actually encounter any serious problems in life, eh? I mean, if being a fan of a musician leads to the kind of turmoil that some seem to go through here and then leads to the vitriolic hyperbole that we have to trudge through ever day on this forum, then may I suggest you find some less-volatile past-time to indulge in? Flower-arranging, perhaps?

Pretty harsh - but what he/she said was true, we as fans of Prince must endure wave of ambivalent feelings and attacks. When you stand out on the edge to support/defend the imp - you stand alone. Years ago, after a major argument regarding Prince not being accessible to his fans I said how difficult it is for an artist and dealing with his own safety. Then BAM he starts the Prince Celebration. I looked like a fool. Then after it being praised and becoming acknowledged as a big annual event, BAM AGAIN!!! He stops it. The very same friends that I had argued with about it were planning to go with me the year he cancelled. SO as a fan of Prince he/she is correct one must be resilient.

And, in terms of production quality on his albums over the years (and not forgetting his current action against internet sites), I think it’s very obvious that he cares about quality.
Quality??? Please when you get a chance listen to Rave unto the joy fantastic and his version of Everyday is winding rode.

Clarity close to a tin can. Listen to the Kate Bush collaboration from Emancipation - can you even hear her voice??? How about New Power Soul cd. Maybe 3 songs on there worth keeping, five if you're on XTC.
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whendovescry2000 said:

Thank you whendovescry2000. That's EXACTLY what I mean. There was no damn reason for Mindflux to insult me how they did. This has been a thread that many orgers, including myself, are venting our frustration for a man who we all admire and some love. He's made music that's impacted our lives but I don't know.....
When I said that only fans care about him these days, it's very true, we're his FANBASE . In the US, how many people did you know ran out and bought Musicology, 3121, or Planet Earth?

There were other fans who felt similar to me, yet Mindflux, you came at me.

bboy87 said:

I wonder more how he still has fanatics like you, both as a fan and as a "contributor" to this forum? Its odd to me that some on here, yourself included, can garner so much hatred for a musician (that very notion itself, is perplexing) and still frequent a fan-site? Bizarre behaviour

Could it not be the case that, as Prince does not own the masters he cannot re-master them? Surely that would be a decision for Warner, as to whether to issue re-masters?

In what way is he trying to forget his past? His shows over here recently were laden with old material - that was someone embracing their back-catalogue, not forgetting it. And speaking of which, you reckon its only orgers that have supported him? Not just now, but for 12 years? I think you need to take that head of yours out of the orgs arse for a little while and realise that there are 400,000+ people in the UK that would disagree with that wild statement!

So you really think that you need to be resilient to be a fan of a musician? Wow - let's hope you don't actually encounter any serious problems in life, eh? I mean, if being a fan of a musician leads to the kind of turmoil that some seem to go through here and then leads to the vitriolic hyperbole that we have to trudge through ever day on this forum, then may I suggest you find some less-volatile past-time to indulge in? Flower-arranging, perhaps?

And, in terms of production quality on his albums over the years (and not forgetting his current action against internet sites), I think its very obvious that he cares about quality.

Well said.
This tired old 'It it wasn't for us, he wouldn't have anything' is always being fronted by the 'sherpy nerp nerps' who miss one vital point:
'Who wants them as fan anyway?'
They whinge and moan that the sky is all grey when it sho looks all blue to the funky people.
Who the f wants them?

This summer Prince has been extending out of his fan-base and impressing all and sundry in the process, converting media detractors, adding, adding, adding all the way and giving away more than enough to make up for his 'heinous crimes' of the past.

The only persistent detractors at this point are these 'sherpy nerp nerps' whose Prozac doesn't work because they don't take the f-ing tablets!

Your time is up, sherpies.
We're taking back the streets!

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excessex said:

Prince is touring and has some exposure, but this is a different era as well, MTV is not what it was, and the internet is the future and expanding. To deny videos on YouTube is denying a marketing medium, and preventing SOME future fans from learning what he's done or how he is live. "Oh Prince, he's that guy that did Purple Rain". Well there's so much more. And that will be harder for people to compare or taste his work against all the other work available by artists. It's his choice and future reprecussions will follow.

Long while back his First Ave performance from 83 was on Youtube, Electric Intercourse, Computer Blue, unbelievable stuff, said one of his best live shows and you can see it..ehr well... use to... That's fine, some of us will be heading to the bootleg underground.

jacobpb said:

Hello, old friend

Prince has already embraced new technologies - more than most and on his own terms - he doesn't need a third-party provider for that. Nor is YouTube a proven marketing-medium - far from it. At present, it is just a proven business model that makes decent profit via that fact is doesn't produce its own content - therefore low overheads. The concept of YouTube itself is a genius marketing idea, but not a proven marketing tool for others. You can't target your audience, you can't get meaningful statistics from its usage - in fact, there are so many marketing fundamentals that are lacking in YouTube, that if you were to suggest it in a genuine business meeting as a marketing idea for, say your record company, it would be laughed off the table.

Prince, off his own back, developed a far more effective channel in his use of the media - distributed his new album to almost 3 million people in one day, got over 400,000 people to witness him live, plus the coup of a worldwide broadcast to boot - I think Prince managed to reach more new, old and "used-to-be" fans in 2 months than you could hope to ever achieve by putting a video on YouTube and just hoping for the best! A wing, a prayer and an upload!

Prince is well aware that people will still locate this stuff in the "bootleg underground", his problem is more to do with, primarily, other large corporates making money off HIS COPYRIGHTED material with no permission and no set-up to re-compense the copyright holder either. Secondly, there is the aspect of controlling the quality and quantity of his products available.

I'm surprised that, as a musician yourself, you don't seem to recognise the value of protecting your work - though, of course, that largely depends on whether people are interested in hearing your work and you have the opportunity of some commercial gain from its creation.
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Mindflux said:

Oh I'd agree with some of what you said, hopefully he'll continue such tactics in the long term --- the last paragraph however was the usual off-base banter from sucking on too many exhaust pipes. Careful when you pass out the drugs around schools, you may run into a lovable character like myself who will make example of those who fleece the innocent.

whendovescry2000 said:

WHENDOVESCRY2000 RESPONDS IN THE BLACK:

Ok - so you too obviously feel there is a place for anger and hatred with regard to music. That's fine, if that's what fills your day, who am I to stop you going through that - I just think its unnecessary. Its need to be said (again it seems) that it is not the fans Prince is attacking, it is the companies that are making money off his products. He also acknowledged his fanbase plenty and there is more Prince product out there (albums, videos etc) than most artists have availble, so you can't really complain. And you boycott an artist, yet still go to his fan-site? Again, I find that bizarre - but horses for courses, eh?

You seem to have an answer for everything but truly you just have a clear affliction of tunnel vision. I can protest an artist that I like. I can have feelings about an artist regardless good or bad. As I have said before Prince has attacked his fans. It is obvious that you of 23 years of Prince worship and devotion have forgotten. Did he (Prince) not force websites all over to shut down with a cease and desist order. I know of because one of my friends received one, she still has it. Her site made no mony generated no revenue at all, but she still received this order. And she is...no was a fan. Based upon your view Prince was right and was defending his creativity and again based on your view she has no right to be angered. You state that "...Prince has more product out there than most artist have availble" Thats funny because you speak of pirated/bootleg material. In actuallity, Prince has only released 6 videos for purchase. Everything else is pirated. I bet you have a copy of his lovesexy tour, his nude tour, his 1st avenue concert (all of these are not legitimate releases these are bootlegs). I didn't say boycott, that was your misinterpretation of my action in not purchasing his material. Boycott would mean having nothing to do with and protesting of the same. I have said and will continue to say that Prince is a genius, but if I decided to not purchase any new product does not translate into a boycott. I don't buy McDonalds Big Macs anymore but Im not parading in front of their store protesting it and I still purchase a double cheese burger. Please note for correction this is not HIS fan site - 3121.com is HIS, look up at the top of your screen....it says in lower case letters "independent and unofficial Prince fan community site". This is not HIS site.
All of Prince's old stuff is out there and available to enjoy in its original format. If he chooses to change HIS lyrics to fit where he is at now, that is his perogative. If it makes you angry that he modifies his own work, then this seems to be symptomatic of your readiness to be angry about many things to do with this musician (or any celebrity, possibly). This level of stress is not good for you - trust me

Please don't attempt to analysis my person. You dont have the capability to nor the knowledge of such. Direct your comments to the issue of Prince and not who I am or am not.

Your opinion as to whether his later material is any good (something you clearly feel is not) is exactly that - your opinion. For someone who has apparenlty been shit for the last 12 years, a lot of people still wanted to see him at the recent concerts. Hence, it doesn't really matter whether you think he's any good or not - lots of people think he is. Your self-inflated ego even leads you to believe that Prince would take any interest in your assessment that his last consistent piece was Emancipation.

Seeing someone in concert and listening to a recent release are two different things. Prince puts on an excellent show PERIOD. You are right he has the right to change his lyrics, I did not complain about that I was simply stating fact - again YOU read something into what I stated and responded with that incorrect assessment. As for last consistent piece I would still argue it was for the sheer volume of material presented and the format with each cd being able to stand on it's own. "...self-inflated ego" Once again, which is what stated my intial response - you have a poor tendancy like a few others here to attack a person versus the idea or issues at hand. Your condecending nature, and little snips at people makes me question how decent you are. You state a few facts then ramble a bit directing negative or belittling comments at the person who posted his or her view. You must be from over seas.

I have been a fan for 23 years now and have never encountered this lonely precipice you speak of when "having to defend the imp" - defend him from what, or whom? What danger were you in, exactly? And how did you manage to fail in an argument about Prince being "inaccessible"? In what way has he been inaccessible? He's toured more than most, put out more product than most, held events at his own studios, was one of the first to connect with fans over the internet, is more honest and open about himself in his music than many other artists - how on earth is he inaccessible? What, because he doesn't have you round for dinner?

Of couse even when I present an arguement in which I supported the imp you decided to use this as an attack on me. Defending does not always mean someone was or is in danger (once again reading without understanding). Where did I say that Prince was LONELY???? (WTF!!!) But alas, I was at fault because I didn't present the ENTIRE arguement in the first place but didn't think it was necessary. I should have know better dealing with online individuals like yourself. I would not want to have dinner with Prince - you maybe just to give you a taste of reality.

I rarely stick Rave on, as its not my bag - I remember there being a brashness to the production of EIAWR, but its more a bold, up-front mix than a lack of clarity. My Computer, however, is one of my favourite songs and i can hear Kate clearly in the mix - even from the start. And its a stylistic decision to have her voice more computerised and down in the mix at the beginning of the song before building to the wonderful coda. Perhaps you need a better system to listen to it on, but it is all there. No problem with NPS's production (though, you seem to have switched to song quality with regard to this album, whereas we were originally talking about production quality, which is less subjective than whether or not you like a particular tune.

Mindflux said:

Well - I can almost see you defending Prince's choice of releasing Under the Cherry Moon (the film) and saying "...how I just didn't understand the use of black & white. And it was a brilliant film presenting ideas that are bold and fresh. WIth a direction of camera angles that show Prince as Prince. Just Brilliant!" - you sound like that agent from the Frasier show. Oh there is nothing wrong with my stereo system, the song sounds poor PERIOD. But your lala land of a musical ear can only hear (like your reading) what you chose to.

Well, you'd be wrong - cos I don't like the film! Love the album, but the film was far from successful, in my view. Your last statement is laughable - I'm a working, signed producer and musician, its what I make my living from, so I trust my musical ear - what do you do?

wow this has been a taxing response because I guess I will never understand why a person can say something about Prince here and end up having to defend themselves from attacks. That is the biggest problem with the online threads - NO ONE really addresses the issue without saying this about the poster or that about the poster. So sad. Where is Mister Rogers when you need him (oh for clarification I refer to the late childrens televison show host who taught children respect)[/color]

Taxing because you don't actually deal with the issues (as you say people should) and lower yourself to judging me (which you say people shouldn't)= cake and eat it? Or not even the ingredients to bake the cake? Hmmm...

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