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Printablesarkozyiszeman said: EmbattledWarrior said: Kiss? hard? thats a fucking one chord song lmfao this thread gets funnier and funnier 
yall some crazy muthafunkas lol I love the org. It's exactly my point, dumbass. It is very difficult to compose great songs based on very minimal arrangements and chords without sounding poor musically. In fact, Part of Prince's genius has been in his use of minimalism. i.e : no bass in WDC, just drums, voice, minimalist keyboards. Look at the 3-4 chords Dylan has used in some of his best tunes. he is amazing at composing amazing songs from simple stuff. Where others would sound "empty" and poor, he makes his music sound rich and right to the point. That's what prince has managed for many years as well. It is very hard. Listen to How come you don't call me anymore if you don't get it. [Edited 9/12/07 3:10am] than you must looooove hip hop lol and why you gotta call me a dumbass for? thats just in poor taste... Ive been all in this thread, never insulted anyone see, you was raised wrong I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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You fans don't even know how to fight your own battles well.
Not one of you mentioned Prince's improv skills, or his multi racial and multi genre appeal. How he brought people from one room funk and R&B and brought them into a totally different room, Country, Rock electronic music. Take the song purple rain, not a man and woman in this world don't know Purple rain, That song alone spans genres, He took a simple country chord progression, and made it into masterful composition... that meets rock, R&b and blues all at the same intersection. Where every race can enjoy it... thats genius..., thats creativity... Yall don't love prince, just a bunch of fans... if anything genius isn't your technical ability or how many notes you can play in a single minute... Its how much your song can influence the world... how many tears crash to the floor from it how many feet dance to it... how many grins, ... you people are rediculous... Prince is a genius because he got all of yall disgusting his "genius" the fact that we're here shit i don't even believe in "genius" and im doin better than yall... hehe im done lol I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: sarkozyiszeman said: It's exactly my point, dumbass. It is very difficult to compose great songs based on very minimal arrangements and chords without sounding poor musically. In fact, Part of Prince's genius has been in his use of minimalism. i.e : no bass in WDC, just drums, voice, minimalist keyboards. Look at the 3-4 chords Dylan has used in some of his best tunes. he is amazing at composing amazing songs from simple stuff. Where others would sound "empty" and poor, he makes his music sound rich and right to the point. That's what prince has managed for many years as well. It is very hard. Listen to How come you don't call me anymore if you don't get it. [Edited 9/12/07 3:10am] than you must looooove hip hop lol and why you gotta call me a dumbass for? thats just in poor taste... Ive been all in this thread, never insulted anyone see, you was raised wrong I have nothing against hip hop. There are some great talented musicians in the hip hop world. I love Blues more than anything else : simple chords structures (often 4-5 same chords) played with passion and soul with great solos. Or take examples off soul & gospel tunes like This little light of mine or mary don't you weep or Jacob's ladder : 4-5 chords and simple efficient melodies that put together sound richer and better than most of the music released for the last 30 years. That's the genius of blues, Gospel and Soul : simple, efficient, soulful, passionate, emotional and straight to the point... That's where Prince learnt from. | |
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onenitealone said: IwonderMe said: Here are more interesting quotes from an interview Morrissey made her in 1996:
"Like the first time I met Prince, you know, I put together two very unruly sentences in the course of the night and he corrected me. He said "a poet like you." I said, oh, God, like I have to -- I think I said I'm tireder -- he said are you tired or are you hungry? I think I said I'm tireder than I am hungry. It was some grammatical error. That still sounds right to me. But Prince corrected me, you know, like, and I said, "Oh, God, do I have to play the poet?" Here´s the link http://jonimitchell.com/l...cfm?id=678 Thank you for posting that, by the way. I have often wondered whether P considers himself a poet or not... Last I heard, he doesn't want to be a poet, 'cause he doesn't want to blow it. And he doesn't care to win awards.  | |
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There isnt a formula to create a great popular song.
There are good and bad songs full of complicated chord progressions and there are great and bad simple songs. Lots of 20th century greatest classics were made of 3 or 4 chords. |
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GustavoRibas said: There isnt a formula to create a great popular song.
There are good and bad songs full of complicated chord progressions and there are great and bad simple songs. Lots of 20th century greatest classics were made of 3 or 4 chords. Exactly. But I was talking about minimalism in Prince music. The concept goes beyond the number of chords used in a tune. I was mentionning the amazing minimalists arrangements in tune slike Kiss, When doves cry, If I was your girlfriend or Forever in my life. It is extremly hard to compose and arrange such tunes cuz you walk on a very thin line and finding the right balance is a nightmare. Prince's originality has shined in this minimalist style as well. [Edited 9/12/07 7:51am] | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: GustavoRibas said: There isnt a formula to create a great popular song.
There are good and bad songs full of complicated chord progressions and there are great and bad simple songs. Lots of 20th century greatest classics were made of 3 or 4 chords. Exactly. But I was talking about minimalism in Prince music. The concept goes beyond the number of chords used in a tune. I was mentionning the amazing minimalists arrangements in tune slike Kiss, When doves cry, If I was your girlfriend or Forever in my life. It is extremly hard to compose and arrange such tunes cuz you walk on a very thin line and finding the right balance is a nightmare. Prince's originality has shined in this minimalist style as well. [Edited 9/12/07 7:51am] Well, by this definition, R. Kelly is a genius, too. Hell, lots of artists would be considered genius from that perspective. You Prince fanatics kill me with rationalization of everything to fit Prince. Kiss is NOT a genius composition. Its a catchy tune with a basic blues progression for a structure with a different rhythm. I'm outta here. You can't have a reasonable discussion about music on this side of the board. Peace out, fanbots. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sarkozyiszeman said: Exactly. But I was talking about minimalism in Prince music. The concept goes beyond the number of chords used in a tune. I was mentionning the amazing minimalists arrangements in tune slike Kiss, When doves cry, If I was your girlfriend or Forever in my life. It is extremly hard to compose and arrange such tunes cuz you walk on a very thin line and finding the right balance is a nightmare. Prince's originality has shined in this minimalist style as well. [Edited 9/12/07 7:51am] Kiss is NOT a genius composition. Kiss' arrangements are genius. Same story for the Ballad of Dorothy parker for instance. A pure genius' song. They are works of art. Any great producer or arranger would have loved to come up with such tunes. Moreover R kelly is nowhere near as Prince in terms of minimalism. Prince is the best at it. By far. Bye by the way !  [Edited 9/12/07 8:09am] | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: You fans don't even know how to fight your own battles well.
Not one of you mentioned Prince's improv skills, or his multi racial and multi genre appeal. How he brought people from one room funk and R&B and brought them into a totally different room, Country, Rock electronic music. Take the song purple rain, not a man and woman in this world don't know Purple rain, That song alone spans genres, He took a simple country chord progression, and made it into masterful composition... that meets rock, R&b and blues all at the same intersection. Where every race can enjoy it... thats genius..., thats creativity... Yall don't love prince, just a bunch of fans... if anything genius isn't your technical ability or how many notes you can play in a single minute... Its how much your song can influence the world... how many tears crash to the floor from it how many feet dance to it... how many grins, ... you people are rediculous... Prince is a genius because he got all of yall disgusting his "genius" the fact that we're here shit i don't even believe in "genius" and im doin better than yall... hehe im done lol Prince does have a gift for pooling diverse influences and bringing them all under one roof. He appeals to blacks, whites, musicians, non-musicians, well-travelled worldbeaters, and sad shut-ins who rarely leave the house. Prince himself is a hermit recluse, shy, very private, and solitary. Which explains his appeal to loners and individualists. His lyrics often express an antagonistic/me versus the world attitude, like say, Chaos and Disorder. That was a bitter, angry album where his arrogance got the better of him. But that's part of his fighting spirit. Sometimes the guy gets downright rude and crude, but it's that core of honest integrity that got him where he is today. | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: EmbattledWarrior said: Kiss? hard? thats a fucking one chord song lmfao this thread gets funnier and funnier
yall some crazy muthafunkas lol I love the org. It's exactly my point, dumbass. It is very difficult to compose great songs based on very minimal arrangements and chords without sounding poor musically. In fact, Part of Prince's genius has been in his use of minimalism. i.e : no bass in WDC, just drums, voice, minimalist keyboards. Look at the 3-4 chords Dylan has used in some of his best tunes. he is amazing at composing amazing songs from simple stuff. Where others would sound "empty" and poor, he makes his music sound rich and right to the point. That's what prince has managed for many years as well. It is very hard. Listen to How come you don't call me anymore if you don't get it. I totally get what you're saying with the Kiss analogy. It's like looking at a Jackson Pollock painting....to the untrained (or unappreciative) eye it looks simple--anyone could drip and splatter paint on a canvas, right? Wrong. What a lot of people don't consider is that Pollock also had to choose when to stop, when to say, "that's enough paint I don't need anymore." And that is perhaps the more difficult thing to do/know. Or like Miles with the space/rests in the music. Without getting too much into the genius v. non-genius debate, I would only say that imvho, to think outside the box and make a great song like Kiss using only a few chords or have a song like When Doves Cry and not use bass, seems pretty fucking genius.  | |
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DevotedPuppy said: sarkozyiszeman said: It's exactly my point, dumbass. It is very difficult to compose great songs based on very minimal arrangements and chords without sounding poor musically. In fact, Part of Prince's genius has been in his use of minimalism. i.e : no bass in WDC, just drums, voice, minimalist keyboards. Look at the 3-4 chords Dylan has used in some of his best tunes. he is amazing at composing amazing songs from simple stuff. Where others would sound "empty" and poor, he makes his music sound rich and right to the point. That's what prince has managed for many years as well. It is very hard. Listen to How come you don't call me anymore if you don't get it. I totally get what you're saying with the Kiss analogy. It's like looking at a Jackson Pollock painting....to the untrained (or unappreciative) eye it looks simple--anyone could drip and splatter paint on a canvas, right? Wrong. What a lot of people don't consider is that Pollock also had to choose when to stop, when to say, "that's enough paint I don't need anymore." And that is perhaps the more difficult thing to do/know. Or like Miles with the space/rests in the music. Without getting too much into the genius v. non-genius debate, I would only say that imvho, to think outside the box and make a great song like Kiss using only a few chords or have a song like When Doves Cry and not use bass, seems pretty fucking genius. I could not agree more with you ! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Well, by this definition, R. Kelly is a genius, too. Hell, lots of artists would be considered genius from that perspective. You Prince fanatics kill me with rationalization of everything to fit Prince. Kiss is NOT a genius composition. Its a catchy tune with a basic blues progression for a structure with a different rhythm. I'm outta here. You can't have a reasonable discussion about music on this side of the board. Peace out, fanbots. - Now I am curious. You are in a Prince fansite. Why? Must be because you admire him somehow, even if you dont consider him a genius. If Kiss is only a catchy song, which are his songs that you consider masterpieces? Because most Prince songs dont have more than 5 chords... |
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GustavoRibas said: BlaqueKnight said: Well, by this definition, R. Kelly is a genius, too. Hell, lots of artists would be considered genius from that perspective. You Prince fanatics kill me with rationalization of everything to fit Prince. Kiss is NOT a genius composition. Its a catchy tune with a basic blues progression for a structure with a different rhythm. I'm outta here. You can't have a reasonable discussion about music on this side of the board. Peace out, fanbots. - Now I am curious. You are in a Prince fansite. Why? Must be because you admire him somehow, even if you dont consider him a genius. If Kiss is only a catchy song, which are his songs that you consider masterpieces? Because most Prince songs dont have more than 5 chords... Now thats the right type of queestion you didn't ask me this but i hope you allow me to answer it it really depends on what aspect of prince your looking at Composition prince... Prince's gratest compositions? N.E.W.S. itself is an incredible feat, whethere you like the music is an other story but it reallys hows Prince's improv skills and composition skills especially his ability to lead his band the whole album was recorded in one day the complexioty in the arrangements rivals stuff Miles Davis did in his later years... Sign O The times... to this day arguably his masterpiece album he has not been able to redo... every song on their is lyrically complex and the musicality of phenominal from the simple songs like IT and The Cross, to the more complex stuff like its gonna be a beautiful night, dorothy parker,. God the B-side from purple rain is an incredible instrumental composition which truly showcases Prince's awesome guitar style... Prince as a writer... I can truly go on and on with this The whole One Nite Alone album, is lyrical gold... Which shows that even in his later material he has only grown sweeter with age... even his most trite songs like Emale , are lyrically competent, which says that even Prince's worst songs are still pretty good sometimes... Prince is literally a man who doesn't believe in cliches... he creates new ones... The Bob Dylan of funk Rock Music... The Joni Mitchell of R&B i can go on and on and on... And with all that said about Prince... is he a genius? No... A remarkable contributor to the music club yes... Not a genius just one of the many musicians who pour their heart and soul into their music... The only reason we acknowledge prince is because he's famous... their are thousands of musicians that do the same thing prince does, except that they didn't have the luck to become famous, they're unknown Are they geniuses? no they like prince, just Love music... thats it... They breathe it, sleep it... will die for it... I don't know one musician who doesn't feel that way... even musicians for hire feel a certain attachment to their instruments... something deeply spiritual that connects them to it forget about chords and harmonies its all about love... don't mean to sound like a beatnik freak... its just the truth.. I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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sarkozyiszeman said: BlaqueKnight said: If you spent most of the time listening to Brahms, Vivaldi, Paganini or many many others then when you listen to Prince, he would sound simplistic by comparison because you are accustomed to more advanced listening; more changes, chord progressions, variances, advanced scales, etc. So, as an experience one wouldn't even consider Prince in the running. The same would hold true for hardcore jazz fusion fans.
Totally wrong again. You have an elitist vision of music. You think that filling compositions with complexed harmonies and lines make greater music. That is so wrong. When I talk to professional classical musicians, they say that the most difficult aspect of composition is to avoid that when you're good technically. My dad was telling me that compositions like Kiss and SOTT or When doves cry are far more difficult to come up with than fusion stuff. Aretha, JB, Ray Charles or Prince could have gone this way cuz technically they have the skills to do so. But they stick to the most precious gift in music : SOUL. Funny... but my next door neighbor, herself a virtuoso baroque violinist, has said the same sorts of things about Prince's compositions... and that she thinks he is a genius...  | |
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Heiress said: sarkozyiszeman said: Totally wrong again. You have an elitist vision of music. You think that filling compositions with complexed harmonies and lines make greater music. That is so wrong. When I talk to professional classical musicians, they say that the most difficult aspect of composition is to avoid that when you're good technically. My dad was telling me that compositions like Kiss and SOTT or When doves cry are far more difficult to come up with than fusion stuff. Aretha, JB, Ray Charles or Prince could have gone this way cuz technically they have the skills to do so. But they stick to the most precious gift in music : SOUL. Funny... but my next door neighbor, herself a virtuoso baroque violinist, has said the same sorts of things about Prince's compositions... and that she thinks he is a genius... Yah shes probably been brainwashed by her own classical background... i know... I took classicaly piano for 5 years before i went on my own and got enlightened on the classical BS (no offense to you classical cats) they basically shove it down your throat... Mozart is a genius, Beethoven, Pachelbell, Stravinsky, Veri , Bach, Tchaikovsky But when i asked Why Wagner wasn't considered a genius "Oh he's an anti semite" the fuck does that matter? ahhh sweet bruised memories... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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But I am sure Joni considers Prince a friend and that is all that really matters. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: Funny... but my next door neighbor, herself a virtuoso baroque violinist, has said the same sorts of things about Prince's compositions... and that she thinks he is a genius... Yah shes probably been brainwashed by her own classical background... i know... I took classicaly piano for 5 years before i went on my own and got enlightened on the classical BS (no offense to you classical cats) they basically shove it down your throat... Mozart is a genius, Beethoven, Pachelbell, Stravinsky, Veri , Bach, Tchaikovsky But when i asked Why Wagner wasn't considered a genius "Oh he's an anti semite" the fuck does that matter? ahhh sweet bruised memories...  you're not far from the truth on the "brainwashed" bit... she's trying to learn country fiddle right now, just to shake things up a bit. And she's having a bit of a hard time at it! | |
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Heiress said: EmbattledWarrior said: Yah shes probably been brainwashed by her own classical background... i know... I took classicaly piano for 5 years before i went on my own and got enlightened on the classical BS (no offense to you classical cats) they basically shove it down your throat... Mozart is a genius, Beethoven, Pachelbell, Stravinsky, Veri , Bach, Tchaikovsky But when i asked Why Wagner wasn't considered a genius "Oh he's an anti semite" the fuck does that matter? ahhh sweet bruised memories... you're not far from the truth on the "brainwashed" bit... she's trying to learn country fiddle right now, just to shake things up a bit. And she's having a bit of a hard time at it!that is so weird i have a classical guitarist friend been playing since he was like 4 so called prodigy... He trying to do stuff like Banjo playing And Steel pedal guitar playing... and he's havin a tough time at it... Meanwhile I , a person who has had minmal training, and tried my best to forget all my training, can play these instruments like nothing... Classical cats have a hard time with country, folk or jazz, because alot of it is OFF melody... So they can't get their mindset off of that classical thinking and cant fathom concepts like off melody or syncopation... They're like musical savants... they can only do classical and thats it... MEanwhile i know thousands of cats (like prince) without a lick of training and can do 20,000 genres and create their own... classically trained cats are quite limited sometimes... not all of course, but a fair bit... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: you're not far from the truth on the "brainwashed" bit... she's trying to learn country fiddle right now, just to shake things up a bit. And she's having a bit of a hard time at it!that is so weird i have a classical guitarist friend been playing since he was like 4 so called prodigy... He trying to do stuff like Banjo playing And Steel pedal guitar playing... and he's havin a tough time at it... Meanwhile I , a person who has had minmal training, and tried my best to forget all my training, can play these instruments like nothing... Classical cats have a hard time with country, folk or jazz, because alot of it is OFF melody... So they can't get their mindset off of that classical thinking and cant fathom concepts like off melody or syncopation... They're like musical savants... they can only do classical and thats it... MEanwhile i know thousands of cats (like prince) without a lick of training and can do 20,000 genres and create their own... classically trained cats are quite limited sometimes... not all of course, but a fair bit... hey, my neighbor was four when she started too! must be a standard age for the classically trained. i didn't start piano until age 6, and started playing mando only two years ago!
got some lessons from a classically-trained singer, but just a few sessions for breath-control notions. this singer friend warned me as well that too much classical voice training will mess up a singer for anything else! so i'm going it on my own. | |
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Heiress said: EmbattledWarrior said: that is so weird i have a classical guitarist friend been playing since he was like 4 so called prodigy... He trying to do stuff like Banjo playing And Steel pedal guitar playing... and he's havin a tough time at it... Meanwhile I , a person who has had minmal training, and tried my best to forget all my training, can play these instruments like nothing... Classical cats have a hard time with country, folk or jazz, because alot of it is OFF melody... So they can't get their mindset off of that classical thinking and cant fathom concepts like off melody or syncopation... They're like musical savants... they can only do classical and thats it... MEanwhile i know thousands of cats (like prince) without a lick of training and can do 20,000 genres and create their own... classically trained cats are quite limited sometimes... not all of course, but a fair bit... hey, my neighbor was four when she started too! must be a standard age for the classically trained. i didn't start piano until age 6, and started playing mando only two years ago!
got some lessons from a classically-trained singer, but just a few sessions for breath-control notions. this singer friend warned me as well that too much classical voice training will mess up a singer for anything else! so i'm going it on my own. lol yah! i made that mistake too with my vocals... You don't necessarily have to go alone, Just try t find a teacher who knows about singing Various forms of POP music ( a hard teacher to find,) Classical singing training are good for basics, but if your a pop stylist, like R&B, or country it will fuck you up... cause you need a different approach... Im glad to have a found a teacher whos extremely varied... I sing alot of country rock and R&B so i have to be extreeemly versatile... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: hey, my neighbor was four when she started too! must be a standard age for the classically trained. i didn't start piano until age 6, and started playing mando only two years ago!
got some lessons from a classically-trained singer, but just a few sessions for breath-control notions. this singer friend warned me as well that too much classical voice training will mess up a singer for anything else! so i'm going it on my own. lol yah! i made that mistake too with my vocals... You don't necessarily have to go alone, Just try t find a teacher who knows about singing Various forms of POP music ( a hard teacher to find,) Classical singing training are good for basics, but if your a pop stylist, like R&B, or country it will fuck you up... cause you need a different approach... Im glad to have a found a teacher whos extremely varied... I sing alot of country rock and R&B so i have to be extreeemly versatile... Oh wow, I'm country rock too! This is a funny conversation.
I just need to do my exercises; haven't done them for a while. Sang for four hours straight at a street music festival, but was getting pretty haggard at the end... that's WAAAAYYYY too long. Especially doing "Me & Bobby McGee" about four times at full throttle! The training helped, because the guitarist who didn't sing even half as much as I did lost his voice long before I did. | |
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Heiress said: EmbattledWarrior said: lol yah! i made that mistake too with my vocals... You don't necessarily have to go alone, Just try t find a teacher who knows about singing Various forms of POP music ( a hard teacher to find,) Classical singing training are good for basics, but if your a pop stylist, like R&B, or country it will fuck you up... cause you need a different approach... Im glad to have a found a teacher whos extremely varied... I sing alot of country rock and R&B so i have to be extreeemly versatile... Oh wow, I'm country rock too! This is a funny conversation.
I just need to do my exercises; haven't done them for a while. Sang for four hours straight at a street music festival, but was getting pretty haggard at the end... that's WAAAAYYYY too long. Especially doing "Me & Bobby McGee" about four times at full throttle! The training helped, because the guitarist who didn't sing even half as much as I did lost his voice long before I did. Are you pushing, it might be because of that? Because when im good and warmed up i can sing for hours (i just need alot of water) I did a show few months ago, had to sing for like 4 hours... Because the other bands who were scheduled to appear got stage fright So me and my friend (not a real band) just jammed songs for like ever... It was a country rock like festival, so we were singing stuff like Loretta Lyn, Johnny Cash, GRam Parson etc... Ryan Adams... Which can be destructive, cause you have to go slightly off key and nasal To do songs like Carolina Rain or Lay Lady Lay... But my best advice for that is just don't puch and try to let it flow naturally... And then versatile songs like Angels from montgomery (well not really versatile, i just sing it that way) because theirs alot of register movement, gave me a bit of trouble... But you just gotta remember... Audiences are pretty much dumb when it comes to music... so as long as you dont screw up too much you'll be fine... How long u been singing? I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: Oh wow, I'm country rock too! This is a funny conversation.
I just need to do my exercises; haven't done them for a while. Sang for four hours straight at a street music festival, but was getting pretty haggard at the end... that's WAAAAYYYY too long. Especially doing "Me & Bobby McGee" about four times at full throttle! The training helped, because the guitarist who didn't sing even half as much as I did lost his voice long before I did. Are you pushing, it might be because of that? Because when im good and warmed up i can sing for hours (i just need alot of water) I did a show few months ago, had to sing for like 4 hours... Because the other bands who were scheduled to appear got stage fright So me and my friend (not a real band) just jammed songs for like ever... It was a country rock like festival, so we were singing stuff like Loretta Lyn, Johnny Cash, GRam Parson etc... Ryan Adams... Which can be destructive, cause you have to go slightly off key and nasal To do songs like Carolina Rain or Lay Lady Lay... But my best advice for that is just don't puch and try to let it flow naturally... And then versatile songs like Angels from montgomery (well not really versatile, i just sing it that way) because theirs alot of register movement, gave me a bit of trouble... But you just gotta remember... Audiences are pretty much dumb when it comes to music... so as long as you dont screw up too much you'll be fine... How long u been singing? I did push it a bit much, and drank four beers throughout. I'm sticking to water now - the beer gunks up my throat, I think. The other problem was, our sound was not so hot. I couldn't hear the band and they couldn't hear me. But we were playing on the street and not well set-up as we could be. There's some issues to resolve on that subject. I've been singing since forever - at least 20 years... but only recently have I tried to apply any kind of technique to it. Taught myself to sing as a kid, in my closet, with Linda Ronstadt and Billie Holliday. :lol | |
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Everyone can simply solve their disagreements by realizing that all musicians
have been ripping off David for years...The Harp started it all.  Then
again, I would bet Adam had some kind of instrument besides eve. "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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Tame said: Everyone can simply solve their disagreements by realizing that all musicians
have been ripping off David for years...The Harp started it all. Then
again, I would bet Adam had some kind of instrument besides eve. ...and how about all those "stringed instruments" they're talking about in the psalms that are not harps?
there might have been some mad early guitar solos going on back then, who's to say?  | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: you're not far from the truth on the "brainwashed" bit... she's trying to learn country fiddle right now, just to shake things up a bit. And she's having a bit of a hard time at it!that is so weird i have a classical guitarist friend been playing since he was like 4 so called prodigy... He trying to do stuff like Banjo playing And Steel pedal guitar playing... and he's havin a tough time at it... Meanwhile I , a person who has had minmal training, and tried my best to forget all my training, can play these instruments like nothing... Classical cats have a hard time with country, folk or jazz, because alot of it is OFF melody... So they can't get their mindset off of that classical thinking and cant fathom concepts like off melody or syncopation...They're like musical savants... they can only do classical and thats it... MEanwhile i know thousands of cats (like prince) without a lick of training and can do 20,000 genres and create their own... classically trained cats are quite limited sometimes... not all of course, but a fair bit... On the other hand, try to get, let's say, Prince to play a Bach fugue or a Mozart piano concerto... Btw, are you familiar with contemporary 'classical' music? Stuff like Stockhausen or Ligeti? That's not exactly melodic, and some of Ligeti's stuff is rythmically so complex, it makes a John Blackwell drum solo sound like a marching band!
And the classically trained folks can play different 'genres' as well. Unless you want to tell me that Chopin and Schoenberg are the same genre...  | |
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Heiress said: EmbattledWarrior said: Are you pushing, it might be because of that? Because when im good and warmed up i can sing for hours (i just need alot of water) I did a show few months ago, had to sing for like 4 hours... Because the other bands who were scheduled to appear got stage fright So me and my friend (not a real band) just jammed songs for like ever... It was a country rock like festival, so we were singing stuff like Loretta Lyn, Johnny Cash, GRam Parson etc... Ryan Adams... Which can be destructive, cause you have to go slightly off key and nasal To do songs like Carolina Rain or Lay Lady Lay... But my best advice for that is just don't puch and try to let it flow naturally... And then versatile songs like Angels from montgomery (well not really versatile, i just sing it that way) because theirs alot of register movement, gave me a bit of trouble... But you just gotta remember... Audiences are pretty much dumb when it comes to music... so as long as you dont screw up too much you'll be fine... How long u been singing? I did push it a bit much, and drank four beers throughout. I'm sticking to water now - the beer gunks up my throat, I think. The other problem was, our sound was not so hot. I couldn't hear the band and they couldn't hear me. But we were playing on the street and not well set-up as we could be. There's some issues to resolve on that subject. I've been singing since forever - at least 20 years... but only recently have I tried to apply any kind of technique to it. Taught myself to sing as a kid, in my closet, with Linda Ronstadt and Billie Holliday. :lol you drank beer... thats a no no lol least not before or during a set... after sure... Beer dries you out... And i think Some prominant guitar solos were done waaay before david... I know cats were rockin the Lute and sitars in asia... wayy before David I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: Funny... but my next door neighbor, herself a virtuoso baroque violinist, has said the same sorts of things about Prince's compositions... and that she thinks he is a genius... Yah shes probably been brainwashed by her own classical background... i know... I took classicaly piano for 5 years before i went on my own and got enlightened on the classical BS (no offense to you classical cats) they basically shove it down your throat... Mozart is a genius, Beethoven, Pachelbell, Stravinsky, Veri , Bach, Tchaikovsky But when i asked Why Wagner wasn't considered a genius "Oh he's an anti semite" the fuck does that matter? ahhh sweet bruised memories... This story might be of interest to you: Germany's most famous literature critic, Marcel Reich-Ranicki, once was asked how he could like Wagner. (Background info: Mr. Reich-Ranicki is Jewish and survived the Warsaw ghetto - his parents were killed in gas chambers.) His answer: "There also have been and still are many good people in the world, but none of them composed 'Tristan' or 'Meistersinger'." That pretty much sums it up, I guess. | |
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EmancipationLover said: EmbattledWarrior said: Yah shes probably been brainwashed by her own classical background... i know... I took classicaly piano for 5 years before i went on my own and got enlightened on the classical BS (no offense to you classical cats) they basically shove it down your throat... Mozart is a genius, Beethoven, Pachelbell, Stravinsky, Veri , Bach, Tchaikovsky But when i asked Why Wagner wasn't considered a genius "Oh he's an anti semite" the fuck does that matter? ahhh sweet bruised memories... This story might be of interest to you: Germany's most famous literature critic, Marcel Reich-Ranicki, once was asked how he could like Wagner. (Background info: Mr. Reich-Ranicki is Jewish and survived the Warsaw ghetto - his parents were killed in gas chambers.) His answer: "There also have been and still are many good people in the world, but none of them composed 'Tristan' or 'Meistersinger'." That pretty much sums it up, I guess. Brilliant quote!, im using that when somebody Blasts him again i love Wagner, one of my fav composition is Siegfried's idyll I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Heiress said: I did push it a bit much, and drank four beers throughout. I'm sticking to water now - the beer gunks up my throat, I think. The other problem was, our sound was not so hot. I couldn't hear the band and they couldn't hear me. But we were playing on the street and not well set-up as we could be. There's some issues to resolve on that subject. I've been singing since forever - at least 20 years... but only recently have I tried to apply any kind of technique to it. Taught myself to sing as a kid, in my closet, with Linda Ronstadt and Billie Holliday. :lol you drank beer... thats a no no lol least not before or during a set... after sure... Beer dries you out... And i think Some prominant guitar solos were done waaay before david... I know cats were rockin the Lute and sitars in asia... wayy before David you know they were. oh, you're right about the beer, i know. won't do that again. | |
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