sarkozyiszeman said:

oh no we're passed that now i want to know why...

i want hardcore scientific proof of it
and stop going to wikipedia, thats as irrelevent as bob saget...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Why do they think so ? because they are not as deaf and blind as you are.

What is obvious to many is no too you. probbaly because you're a bit too complicated and have a tendancy to overanalyze everything which makes you miss the obvious in the first place.
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sarkozyiszeman said:

The consequence of not overanalyzing is ignorance...
so your saying the cliche ignorance is bliss?
You may very well be right
but i'd rather see and interpret the world as a mysterious sphere
than still think of it as a flat doldrum

To non musicians creating music is some type of magic that they do....
And its beautiful, that you want to think of it that way,
Musicians play because they can, and their love for it is the magic
not the actual song being played...
see the magic is that with each song, you're seeing a different shade of an artist's soul
thats the genius...

Calling someone a musical genius is like saying they are the scientific paragon of music...
And that doesn't exist...
No musican makes better music than the other.
its all a matter of syntax of the fans mother tongue
Labeling someone a genius is opening the door to the mindless duality of antithesis.
Meaning if their is a genius somewhere, than those below this generalization of genius is inferior
which can't be measured when it comes to the arts...
Genius, is a scientific realm
so if you want to hypothesize that Prince or any other artist is a genius, do it by the limits of the scientifc method.
So i want a problem, a result and a conclusion
specifics... on why you come to that conclusion
and if its deemed infallable, it could be considered a universal fact...

so there you are...

Where is the love in this thread, people?
Can't we all just get along and agree to disagree sometimes?

EmbattledWarrior said:

Right from the start you're wrong. Overanalyzing is negative. Analyzing is good. There is a massive difference here.

IF YOU DO NOT SEE... that a man who can master studio technology, who has produced, arranged, composed and performed albums that are considered as masterpieces by millions of music lovers around the world, who is an amazing stage performer who can sing, dance, play many instruments live as easy as it is for you to breath, who electrifies and hypnotises people during stunning aftershows, who is considered by his pairs as one of the best multi instrumentalists in the world, who has redefined the music business, IS A GENIUS... well, then, I just feel sorry for you supposedly great sens of analysis.

If you were the President of Mauritania, there would be no sand left after a few months.

- Well, I am not trying to be a ´fam´ here but I would say this reviewer exaggerated a lot. Like I said before, Prince doesnt have the speed of Paul Gilbert or the knowledge of Pat Metheny, but comparing him to garage bands is nonsense. Even musicians like Miles Davis, Foley, Vai, Jeff Beck, Clapton and Santana praised his guitar playing. He is very versatile, a great rythm player and, when he wants to, he does some great solos (´While my guitar gently weeps´ was better than the original, IMO)

For me, the greatest thing about Prince is that he combines several things: there are lots of great songwriters that dont play well; lots of great musicians who cant write; lots of great musicians/writers who can´t sing. And Prince does it all well. And he is a great producer/arranger when he wants to and is definitely creative and influenced lots of people until today .

Great point. Did anybody catch him at the Sept 1st aftershow switching between lead vox, vocoder/keyboard fills and 'talkin' lead guitar throughout the song (sorry slips my mind which one just now). I was just, like, laughin' at this because it was nearly inconceivable to be able to keep track of these three linear elements. And he was also puttin in some moves as well. Jaw-drop sheeeit.

sarkozyiszeman said:

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sarkozyiszeman said:

excessex said:

Hmm? I wonder where we saw that exact same post? Ah yes! Mine on page 4 Reply #117 posted 09/09/07 11:45pm.

Now how come it's so hard for some in here to see that but others see it so easily? Answer: It's the arrogance of small-time musicians that feel musicianship should be this "God only" event.

sarkozyiszeman said:

No, it has to be said by some random guitar magazine writer.

God, some of you all really know how to suck the fun out of a discussion.

MuthaFunka said:

Oh, God forbid that someone would have a less than holy opinion of Prince. You are hopeless...

MuthaFunka said:

That's because it's the "small-time" musicians around here who are the most rational and objective

sarkozyiszeman said:

That's nothing new: http://www.youtube.com/wa...WziGyXsSPM

JesseDezz said:

Or they're "purple" with envy.

Weak retort.

JesseDezz said:

But true nonetheless.

viewpoints people, viewpoints

EmbattledWarrior said:

That's not an accurate view of things.

The word 'genius' does have a lot of baggage attached to it. It's an isolating term, there are freak-ish connotations to it, eccentricity, the saying "There's a fine line between genius and insanity" and all that junk. So there's a good deal of crap associated with the term.

But usually, in everyday common usage, when people call another a genius, it's a respectful gesture. It's a way to acknowledge someone's talent and achievement, whatever level they may be at. Most people don't care about the exact definition or scientific proof verifying their genius status.

So if someone wants to call Kid Rock or Li'l Bow Wow a genius, I say hey, knock yourself out.

krayzie said:

I love Mutha, I really do but I gotta say:

The Prince scream: Betty Davis
The Prince dress: Little Richard
The Prince sound: Sly, Jimi, etc.

Prince was able to carve out a niche for himself though and deserves many props but for people to diss the genius that is Joni, one of Prince's own influences, is insane to me.

MuthaFunka said:

You muthafunka

JesseDezz said:

Stop the violence, yo!

But seriously, it's all good, bro! We differ and that's cool. I respect your opinion as well.

Lothan said:

Lo-Lo, if you loved me, you'd be down with me.

But yeah, no one is saying P was never influenced by anyone, all we're saying is that the definition of genius is just too rigid in some people's minds while it's pretty open for interpretation in other's.

MuthaFunka said:

I'm definately down....keeping...dirty..thoughts...to...myself....

But my opinion is Ms. Mitchell would know what genius is. In his own way, yeah, the guy is genuis but we both know Prince fans ain't the most rational.

Lothan said:

No, release those thoughts! I wanna hear!

MuthaFunka said:

let your mind run wild.

Lothan said:

!

JesseDezz said:

Your video is dated July 2007. hahahaha

Moreover what I saw Prince doing on guitar and keyboards at the same time was far superior than what Stanley Jordan does on this video. The little bastard was even dancing at the same time.

And I don't know why you're so obsessed with the adjective "new".

And by the way, how many flies have you sodomized today ?

Lothan said:

Oh God, no, we're back to influences !

Do you know one great artist who has not been massively influenced by others ?
Uh ? It is just your lack of musical culture that prevents you from linking hendrix or Richard to the artists who have influenced them int he first place. That's all.
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MuthaFunka said:

How weird ! When Clapton or Parker call Prince a genius, they know shit about what they're talking about.
But when a small exceprt from a very old interview by Joni Mitchell states he is not, it is suddenly true.
I really hate FAMS but I really dislike HATERS as well.

When he is dead, you'll be all crying like babies and there will be no debate about the term Genius cuz he is a GENIUS. Prince is music.

Some of you need to seem him in a crazy aftershow and you'll come here to apologize.

Now talking about Mitchell, as much as I love he rmusic, she is not a genius. prince has a far wider range of skills than she has. I don't even know where to start !
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