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Printablelinus4000 said: Well, you cannot say charts don`t matter because they mean actual sales and
people willing to spend money to hear your new music. Otherwise Prince would not signed a distribution deal with a major label. See, this is why i wish prince would just go the aimee mann and ani difranco route and just make it all about the music...and don't tell me they are too indie because they have their records in the targets and bestbuys of the world...(difranco has sold millions)... im cool with the music giveaway... but how about selling live shows right following the concert (like some artist do)?...that would really rock. and go indie for real!!! Space for sale... | |
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linus4000 said: Well, you cannot say charts don`t matter because they mean actual sales and
people willing to spend money to hear your new music. Otherwise Prince would not signed a distribution deal with a major label. And like i said before i`m still dissapointed that it is apparently selling so low. Dont tell me Prince doesn`t care about charts... It`s the same with his words that this time he is performing his hits the latest time...  Most people here only say charts and radio don't matter when Prince slacks on them. Then when there's a glimmer of hope for either, you get threads of people charting the charts. Of course chart positions matter and of course Prince cares about them. He gave away his music in the UK because he got paid a large sum to do so. He made lots of money off it, that's why he did it. As far as Planet Earth being #2, it's certainly not a bad spot, but it's as high as he's going to go and it shows that his popularity in the public sphere is cooling. The file-sharing argument holds no water because FLASHBACK to 3121 -- that album was available online long before it came out and it still sold more copies than Planet Earth. Prince could do more to make this album stick around for a few weeks by promoting it in the US, but the days where a Prince album was on the charts for longer than a month are long, long gone. No hard feelings. | |
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sosgemini said: difranco has sold millions
thats misleading ,in total yeah over her career shes sold over 3 million , but have any of her albums sold over a million individually , I posted a link to an article a few weeks ago stating her first 13 albums sold a total of 3 million , that means at her very best she was probably selling the same as Prince sold at the lowest points in his career , you can't compare the 2 . sosgemini said: just make it all about the music
thats what GIVING AWAY over 2 million copies of the album was about , spreading the music , yes he made money on the deal , but he also gave a lot of people who were already Mail On Sunday readers the chance to hear his new album for absolutely nothing , how can that possibly NOT be all about freeing the music ? Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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moonshine said: sosgemini said: difranco has sold millions
thats misleading ,in total yeah over her career shes sold over 3 million , but have any of her albums sold over a million individually , I posted a link to an article a few weeks ago stating her first 13 albums sold a total of 3 million , that means at her very best she was probably selling the same as Prince sold at the lowest points in his career , you can't compare the 2 . sosgemini said: just make it all about the music
thats what GIVING AWAY over 2 million copies of the album was about , spreading the music , yes he made money on the deal , but he also gave a lot of people who were already Mail On Sunday readers the chance to hear his new album for absolutely nothing , how can that possibly NOT be all about freeing the music ? since that article (which i believe was 2002 or 3) her popularity has only risen...and like i said both she and aimee mann have effectively got their cds placed in all the major retail outlets...so what's the difference? and stop taking my comments out of context and splicing them...not cool.  like i said in the part of my comment you so convienetly forgot to post, im cool with the music giveway..because it is all about the music.[Edited 7/29/07 16:13pm] Space for sale... | |
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linus4000 said: Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan sold so much more the first week.
Anybody got the numbers for the first week sales of Dylan's & McCartney's latest cds? I'm curious how they compare. | |
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Wall said: Of course chart positions matter and of course Prince cares about them. He gave away his music in the UK because he got paid a large sum to do so. He made lots of money off it, that's why he did it.
and in the process made it ineligible for the charts , you've succeeded in proving yourself wrong , brilliant .
Wall said: the days where a Prince album was on the charts for longer than a month are long, long gone.
according to : http://www.billboard.com/ 3121 was on the charts 24 weeks Musicology was on the charts 38 weeks even TRC was in the charts 17 weeks the days of Prince being in the charts more than a month never stopped seemingly , just like the days of you pulling ludicrous facts out of your ass seem to go on and on and on .... Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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65980 said: Remember the "old" days when an album would get released, sell only to the artist's hardcore fans in the first few weeks, then slowly rise up the charts IF it had mainstream appeal and have its sales peak about 4 months after its release? Now, Prince drops a new album which has been available for about 3 hours and y'all are pissing on him for "only" being #2 in the nation.
Prince's chart "comeback" since Musicology is very impressive, but this kind of thing has always been on Prince's terms. There was a period there in the mid- to late-90s where I think he was confused about why he couldn't reach a mass audience anymore; this was due to any number of factors from the change in people's tastes to the changes in the industry. Obviously at some point he decided to become relevant in the popular perception again and he has since crafted three tight, economical albums and gone on tour to promote himself. As far as the chart peak of his latest album, who cares one way or the other? Prince has obviously decided to focus on releasing brief, straighforward albums each year or so, without the promotion and ass-kissing that he hates. He's probably making more money now on 200,000 sales than he used to from 2,000,000, so he's laughing either way. In the US market, chart performance is completely irrelevant, and I doubt Prince is losing any sleep over it. Exactly, it amazes me how everyone is a chart GURU of all sudden in this soundscan era. Everyone now is quoting numbers and drop-offs like the shit really matters, do you know how rigged the soundscan numbers are anyway, people these are still sales to stores, not over the counter sales, soundscan is very flawed. Its just a tracking by stores of what they ordered and an inventory of re-orders, its not much different than the way certifications are done. But yeah think back in the day when an album or song would climb to its peak, not peak then fall. And also do you think Prince gives a rats ass where this record debuted or what it sold? apparently not if he gave away 3 million copies of it. I dont know what everyone wants from Prince at this point, would it make your life better if it sold 300,000 and debuted at number 1, would that make it better for you? its funny how all of a sudden we are Prince's advisors, telling him do this do that. Its just amazing how much people care about a meaningless think like how much he sold week 1 and how much it will end up selling. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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sosgemini said:[quote] moonshine said: since that article (which i believe was 2002 or 3) her popularity has only risen...and like i said both she and aimee mann have effectively got their cds placed in all the major retail outlets...so what's the difference? the difference is record companies know Prince is a hugely marketable commodity and are more eager to sign him up , its easier for the Ani's and Aimee's of this world to go independent as -however much their popularity may be increasing - they're not THAT POPULAR and presumably won't be getting big money offers so theres no temptation to take them up . Prince wants to be successful , we know that , and going the independent route isnt the way to get his music across to a worldwide audience , he's looking for different ways to mass-distribute his music , and he's doing it , good luck to him and good luck to Ani and Aimee too . Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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moonshine said: Wall said: Of course chart positions matter and of course Prince cares about them. He gave away his music in the UK because he got paid a large sum to do so. He made lots of money off it, that's why he did it.
and in the process made it ineligible for the charts , you've succeeded in proving yourself wrong , brilliant . Fair enough. But he knew how low he'd chart in the UK and took the large pay off instead. I don't see him giving away the cd in America or anywhere else in the world. If he really wanted to 'give it away' and didn't care about chart positions, he could have posted it on his website for everyone to download. Wall said: the days where a Prince album was on the charts for longer than a month are long, long gone.
according to : http://www.billboard.com/
3121 was on the charts 24 weeks Musicology was on the charts 38 weeks even TRC was in the charts 17 weeks the days of Prince being in the charts more than a month never stopped seemingly , just like the days of you pulling ludicrous facts out of your ass seem to go on and on and on .... Forgive me, I should have been more specific -- a chart position that reflects actual albums being sold, not four spots behind a Garth Brooks best of compilation that came out in 1998. How long were any of the above in the top 10? No hard feelings. | |
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Ok newsflash for everyone, if you chart Prince's career, hes been a modest seller with the exception of....
Purple Rain ATWIAD (which rode off PR 's success, he could have put anything out) Batman (the movie caused all the HYPE, anyone could have done the music) Diamonds and Pearls 1999 (though it can be argued alot of sales came after Purple Rain) and guess what, thats it, everything else has been gold or above or missed. The pre-purple rain albums all surged after that success so that gets discounted, that was just part of the Purple Mania. SOTT was certified 1.8 million in sales, but thats RIAA certified, soundscan didnt exist so the total was lower. Parade also was certified 1.8 million in sales but once again thats RIAA certification Lovesexy around a million but RIAA certified Graffitti Bridge the same deal Well during the soundscan era what U will find is pretty steady sales 1800newfunk, its really unknown what this sold COME 345,000 Gold experience 530,000 Chaos 140,000 Emancipation 600,000 (counting as one) Crystal Ball 100,000 (according to SS) 250,00 to Prince New Power Soul 200,000 the Vault 140,000 Rave 500,000 and after that u have Rainbow Children no actual account though i have heard about 200,000 NEWS i havent seen numbers but probably 50,000. Musicology did do 1.3 million of actual sales not giveaways, but look at what he was doing that year, it was his year, he was COOL again. 3121 did around 500,000 maybe and well PE will land somewhere between Rainbow and 3121. So u see PRINCE has always had modest SALES so stop worrying people, get some rest. So as U see PRINCE has always had Steady sales, amongst his loyal fans and on occasion caught on with "mainstream" just like any other artist that has had a long career. [Edited 7/29/07 16:54pm] [Edited 7/29/07 17:05pm] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Wall said: If he really wanted to 'give it away' and didn't care about chart positions, he could have posted it on his website for everyone to download.
He did that with The Rainbow Children though , he's not as chart-hungry as people might think Wall said: Forgive me, I should have been more specific -- a chart position that reflects actual albums being sold, not four spots behind a Garth Brooks best of compilation that came out in 1998. How long were any of the above in the top 10?
You're making no sense now , every chart postion I posted represents sales . As for the top 10 , who knows , who cares , I just posted facts that proved you wrong , you're just moving the goalposts now to try and come out on top , I'll leave you to troll merrily on . [Edited 7/29/07 17:01pm] Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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moonshine said: Wall said: If he really wanted to 'give it away' and didn't care about chart positions, he could have posted it on his website for everyone to download.
He did that with The Rainbow Children though , he's not as chart-hungry as people might think Free of charge? You're making no sense now , every chart postion I posted represents sales .
Obviously they represent sales. My point being after the first few weeks the number of sales drops drastically. As for the top 10 , who knows , who cares ,
Prince. I just posted facts that proved you wrong , you're just moving the goalposts now to try and come out on top ,
I'll leave you to troll merrily on . Thanks for playing. No hard feelings. | |
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Wall said: linus4000 said: Well, you cannot say charts don`t matter because they mean actual sales and
people willing to spend money to hear your new music. Otherwise Prince would not signed a distribution deal with a major label. And like i said before i`m still dissapointed that it is apparently selling so low. Dont tell me Prince doesn`t care about charts... It`s the same with his words that this time he is performing his hits the latest time... Most people here only say charts and radio don't matter when Prince slacks on them. Then when there's a glimmer of hope for either, you get threads of people charting the charts. Of course chart positions matter and of course Prince cares about them. He gave away his music in the UK because he got paid a large sum to do so. He made lots of money off it, that's why he did it. As far as Planet Earth being #2, it's certainly not a bad spot, but it's as high as he's going to go and it shows that his popularity in the public sphere is cooling. The file-sharing argument holds no water because FLASHBACK to 3121 -- that album was available online long before it came out and it still sold more copies than Planet Earth. Prince could do more to make this album stick around for a few weeks by promoting it in the US, but the days where a Prince album was on the charts for longer than a month are long, long gone. That's life though. Record sales are even lower for everyone than when 3121 came out. People are just buying less and less recorded music. I think new music as a whole is irrelevant these days. There's too much other stuff to do. There's file sharing. Radio is corrupt. Plus, all the great songs have already been made, and -everything- else is inferior. That's why Prince is smart, getting the money from someone else for his albums, instead of relying on record companies, promotion, radio. All three of those things are of a dying breed.It's just a different world than it was even ten years ago. No one really cares about music anymore. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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Wall said:[quote] moonshine said: according to : http://www.billboard.com/
3121 was on the charts 24 weeks Musicology was on the charts 38 weeks even TRC was in the charts 17 weeks the days of Prince being in the charts more than a month never stopped seemingly , just like the days of you pulling ludicrous facts out of your ass seem to go on and on and on .... Forgive me, I should have been more specific -- a chart position that reflects actual albums being sold, not four spots behind a Garth Brooks best of compilation that came out in 1998. How long were any of the above in the top 10? People miss the point a lot when Prince "gives" albums away. The end user is getting it free or at minimal cost, however Prince has already been paid, several hundred thousand dollars by someone else who is including it with their product. Nothing free about it, really. I'd like to see Prince cut a deal to release an album through papers or magazines throughout the world. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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Only Prince fans could make a number 2 entry on the Billboard 100 a negative occurence. | |
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Comparing with Paul McCartney
Paul's new album debuted at #3 with 160,000 sold. His last album in 2005 debuted at #6 with 90,000 so think Prince is pretty comparable to Sir Paul's sales with 3121 and PE in reverse order and Prince having higher chart position due to coming out with less competition. Starbucks did better promoting Paul also, with the commercials coinciding with the release whereas P's verizon ads came out way too early for the release date and Sony not really advertising the album like they should. Overall, #2 is not bad for PE. The only people of Prince's age that still have huge success with album sales are Madonna, who sells out and does whatever is trendy to sell music and MJ who releases an album every 10 years. Prince is still doing well for himself with as much music as he releases. If he would wait 5 years between albums, he'd probably have more platinum plaques also but we wouldn't have as much music to listen too. | |
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blumer said: Comparing with Paul McCartney
Paul's new album debuted at #3 with 160,000 sold. His last album in 2005 debuted at #6 with 90,000 so think Prince is pretty comparable to Sir Paul's sales with 3121 and PE in reverse order and Prince having higher chart position due to coming out with less competition. thanks...i don't think i agree with your assesment that they are on par because starbucks is an ongoing partnership that will put just as much effort into his next album while prince has no business relationship and is going to have to rely on some new gimmick to get his album heard...which is why i think he should just go the full indie route...or sign up with starbucks.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: blumer said: Comparing with Paul McCartney
Paul's new album debuted at #3 with 160,000 sold. His last album in 2005 debuted at #6 with 90,000 so think Prince is pretty comparable to Sir Paul's sales with 3121 and PE in reverse order and Prince having higher chart position due to coming out with less competition. thanks...i don't think i agree with your assesment that they are on par because starbucks is an ongoing partnership that will put just as much effort into his next album while prince has no business relationship and is going to have to rely on some new gimmick to get his album heard...which is why i think he should just go the full indie route...or sign up with starbucks. Yeah, Im hoping he does consider signing with starbucks, could happen, especially since they were supposedly in talks and Joni Mitchell just signed with them so Im sure he will be watching how well it works for her. | |
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OperatingThetan said: Only Prince fans could make a number 2 entry on the Billboard 100 a negative occurence.
My thoughts exactly. "Only #2"? As if the hype machine for this record has been rolling non-stop since the Super Bowl and radio has been flooded with Prince singles the last two months. Some people are truly amazing. | |
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also remember people that prince has put out an album every year almost...sometimes double and triple albums !!!...he has always saturated the market with his music....i think this is a big reason why he hasnt had a lot of massive selling albums....but a million albums worldwide isnt to be sniffed at...it only seems like yesterday that 3121 came out and now he has another new album out !!...your normal joe soap cant keep up with him and the music he puts out...i mean ...who puts out an album only 9 months after a huge album while he is still touring the previous one like he did with purple rain ... | |
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I said it before and I'm sticking by it - Prince doesn't care that much about the charts anymore. He's found a way to keep his name in the public eye and rake in millions of dollars without having to stay at the top of the charts and sell millions of albums. His business moves lately do not reflect those of a man obsessed with chart numbers.
After his wildly successful Musicology tour, he easily could have released the record only to stores and still sold a large number based on the momentum of the tour. Yet he gives away millions of copies at his concerts (and I don't believe he cares one bit about Soundscan's hissy fit over that scheme - he already had the money). He releases no singles thus far for Planet Earth, and gives away 3 million copies in the UK, knowing that they don't count towards sales figures. Again, if you sell out 21 shows, chances are that people will buy the new album in anticipation of the shows. Still, he did the smart thing - got his money, and is playing the live shows. I firmly believe that Prince saw the demise of the record business a long time ago, and is taking countermeasures to make sure that his music will still be heard by as many people as possible without relying on Soundscan figures, while still getting paid very well along the way. | |
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TOMORROW'S TOP 10 TODAY: UTV/UMe's Now 25 will top tomorrow's HITS Album Sales chart, with a total that looks to be in the 150-155k range, followed, in turn by New Line's resilient Hairspray soundtrack (101k), Disney's Hannah Montana 2 (90.1k), Columbia's debuting Prince (86.8k), Grand Hustle/Atlantic's T.I. (66.5k), Interscope/A&M's Fergie (53.6k), Island/IDJ Top10 newcomer Sum 41 (46k), WB's Linkin Park (42k), Universal Republic's Amy Winehouse (42k) and Hollywood's Plain White T's, making their Top 10 bow with 40k. (7/30p) really dissapointing... Not the # 3 position, but the sales number... Only hardcore fans bought it apparently...  | |
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linus4000 said: Hitsdaily:
TOMORROW'S TOP 10 TODAY: UTV/UMe's Now 25 will top tomorrow's HITS Album Sales chart, with a total that looks to be in the 150-155k range, followed, in turn by New Line's resilient Hairspray soundtrack (101k), Disney's Hannah Montana 2 (90.1k), Columbia's debuting Prince (86.8k), Grand Hustle/Atlantic's T.I. (66.5k), Interscope/A&M's Fergie (53.6k), Island/IDJ Top10 newcomer Sum 41 (46k), WB's Linkin Park (42k), Universal Republic's Amy Winehouse (42k) and Hollywood's Plain White T's, making their Top 10 bow with 40k. (7/30p) really dissapointing... Not the # 3 position, but the sales number... Only hardcore fans bought it apparently... Not at all surprising...No videos, little promotion and 3 million free albums on the market, it is what it is... I don't think it makes or break the man...I do believe however that if you are going to do the free album angle, there was never a need to sign with Sony...He should have gone independent for Planet Earth... [Edited 7/30/07 19:11pm] | |
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murph said: linus4000 said: Hitsdaily:
TOMORROW'S TOP 10 TODAY: UTV/UMe's Now 25 will top tomorrow's HITS Album Sales chart, with a total that looks to be in the 150-155k range, followed, in turn by New Line's resilient Hairspray soundtrack (101k), Disney's Hannah Montana 2 (90.1k), Columbia's debuting Prince (86.8k), Grand Hustle/Atlantic's T.I. (66.5k), Interscope/A&M's Fergie (53.6k), Island/IDJ Top10 newcomer Sum 41 (46k), WB's Linkin Park (42k), Universal Republic's Amy Winehouse (42k) and Hollywood's Plain White T's, making their Top 10 bow with 40k. (7/30p) really dissapointing... Not the # 3 position, but the sales number... Only hardcore fans bought it apparently... Not at all surprising...No videos, little promotion and 3 million free albums on the market, it is what it is...The question is why do folks care? I don't think it makes or break the man...I do believe however that if you are going to do the free album angle, there was never a need to sign with Sony...He should have gone independent for Planet Earth... [Edited 7/30/07 19:09pm] I don't get this constant defense that because he gave away copies in the UK he sold fewer copies in the US. 3121 was widely available online long before it came out and much earlier than Planet Earth was and it apprently sold twice as many copies in its first week, so the digital copy being available doesn't hold. All things considered, 90,000 albums isn't bad, though I don't expect it will remain in the top ten for more than 2 or 3 weeks, max. He'll be lucky to sell 300,000. For all the articles praising how brilliant Prince is in terms of business, someone should point out how unremarkable his actual album promotion is. He's also seen as a has been by the world at large. Meaning, people go to his concerts to hear Purple Rain or Kiss. Those people, if they're going to buy a Prince record aren't going to buy his latest, they're going to buy a Best Of collection and be done with it. No hard feelings. | |
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Wall said: murph said: Not at all surprising...No videos, little promotion and 3 million free albums on the market, it is what it is...The question is why do folks care? I don't think it makes or break the man...I do believe however that if you are going to do the free album angle, there was never a need to sign with Sony...He should have gone independent for Planet Earth... [Edited 7/30/07 19:09pm] 3121 was widely available online long before it came out and much earlier than Planet Earth was and it apprently sold twice as many copies in its first week, so the digital copy being available doesn't hold. All things considered, 90,000 albums isn't bad, though I don't expect it will remain in the top ten for more than 2 or 3 weeks, max. He'll be lucky to sell 300,000. For all the articles praising how brilliant Prince is in terms of business, someone should point out how unremarkable his actual album promotion is. He's also seen as a has been by the world at large. Meaning, people go to his concerts to hear Purple Rain or Kiss. Those people, if they're going to buy a Prince record aren't going to buy his latest, they're going to buy a Best Of collection and be done with it. I have no stake in what Prince sales or doesn't sale...So I could care less what the man pulls in because I'm not on his payroll (would be nice though...lol)...But comparing 3121 and Planet Earth first week numbers makes little sense...If you don't think the news of Prince releasing his music for free didn't effect sales, or the fact that he hasn't even dropped an official single or video for this project, then I don't know what to tell you....Prince recouped with his deal with the Mirror; that's why the press is praising him for the deal... Wall, I feel you, dog...There are folks on here that jump for joy when Prince sales 189,000 copies and then cop a plea when he sales 95, 000..Then there are the folks like myself who just want to hear some new music and see live performances whether its on television or on the live stage and smiles when he pulls one over on the music industry....And when it's needed I'll call Prince out for that bullshit... But your constant harping on whether or not Prince matters in 2007 is the makings of the other disgruntled, miserable Prince fan...The one who feels that they are keeping it real and putting the Kool-Aid sippers in their place by saying how Prince is dead...There is a fine line between fair criticism like objecting to quality of his recent musical output or his questionable treatment of longtime fans and just being a broken record who finds new ways to prove that a man that has been in the business for nearly 30 years is no longer viable... Prince is no different than Bruce Springsteen (Still can sell 200 to 300, 000 copies his first week, but doesn't get radio love; and doesn't have to...), Neil Young, or Paul Mac (Hooking up with Ipod helped his first week sales, but are the general music public checking for him?" For real?)...But the reason why Prince still commands respect (anyone that's washed up is not appearing on anyone's Power List like Entertainment Weekly just for playing "Kiss") is his status as currently one of the best performers onstage today...And at nearly 50 years old... The question you need to ask youself is would it effect you being a fan if other folks hated Prince? Are you that weak minded that because Prince sold less than 100, 000 copies that you will not be looked at as the cool kid...lol? You give folks that dare to criticize Prince and do not partake in the Purple Kool-Aid a bad name... Lighten up homie...it's not that serious... [Edited 7/30/07 20:12pm] | |
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murph said: Wall said: 3121 was widely available online long before it came out and much earlier than Planet Earth was and it apprently sold twice as many copies in its first week, so the digital copy being available doesn't hold. All things considered, 90,000 albums isn't bad, though I don't expect it will remain in the top ten for more than 2 or 3 weeks, max. He'll be lucky to sell 300,000. For all the articles praising how brilliant Prince is in terms of business, someone should point out how unremarkable his actual album promotion is. He's also seen as a has been by the world at large. Meaning, people go to his concerts to hear Purple Rain or Kiss. Those people, if they're going to buy a Prince record aren't going to buy his latest, they're going to buy a Best Of collection and be done with it. I have no stake in what Prince sales or doesn't sale...So I could care less what the man pulls in because I'm not on his payroll (would be nice though...lol)...But comparing 3121 and Planet Earth first week numbers makes little sense...If you don't think the news of Prince releasing his music for free didn't effect sales, or the fact that he hasn't even dropped an official single or video for this project, then I don't know what to tell you....Prince recouped with his deal with the Mirror; that's why the press is praising him for the deal... Wall, I feel you, dog...There are folks on here that jump for joy when Prince sales 189,000 copies and then cop a plea when he sales 95, 000..Then there are the folks like myself who just want to hear some new music and see live performances whether its on television or on the live stage and smiles when he pulls one over on the music industry....And when it's needed I'll call Prince out for that bullshit... But your constant harping on whether or not Prince matters in 2007 is the makings of the other disgruntled, miserable Prince fan...The one who feels that they are keeping it real and putting the Kool-Aid sippers in their place by saying how Prince is dead...There is a fine line between fair criticism like objecting to quality of his recent musical output or his questionable treatment of longtime fans and just being a broken record who finds new ways to prove that a man that has been in the business for nearly 30 years is no longer viable... Prince is no different than Bruce Springsteen (Still can sell 200 to 300, 000 copies his first week, but doesn't get radio love; and doesn't have to...), Neil Young, or Paul Mac (Hooking up with Ipod helped his first week sales, but are the general music public checking for him?" For real?)...But the reason why Prince still commands respect (anyone that's washed up is not appearing on anyone's Power List like Entertainment Weekly just for playing "Kiss") is his status as currently one of the best performers onstage today...And at nearly 50 years old... The question you need to ask youself is would it effect you being a fan if other folks hated Prince? Are you that weak minded that because Prince sold less than 100, 000 copies that you will not be looked at as the cool kid...lol? You give folks that dare to criticize Prince and do not partake in the Purple Kool-Aid a bad name... Lighten up homie...it's not that serious... [Edited 7/30/07 20:12pm] Not sure where you're going with the cool kid thing. Most of the artists I listen to aren't chart toppers, so no, in answer to your question, I'm not concerned about Prince's sales numbers. I agree he's a great performer and that's where his bread is buttered. But I also think people here are fooling themselves if they think Prince's new musical output is any kind of event for anyone other than Prince fans. I think you need to take your own advice -- lighten up. I'm not here to psychoanlyze posters like you apparently are, I'm here to discuss Prince and his music and nothing more. [Edited 7/30/07 20:34pm] No hard feelings. | |
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CD SALES ARE DOWN INDUSTRY WIDE. Prince's number #2 CD position on the Billboard chart #2 is fantastic. Do not be misled by the number of units sold. CD SALES ARE DOWN INDUSTRY WIDE. |
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CD SALES ARE DOWN INDUSTRY WIDE.
inus4000 said: Wowugotit said: Having your CD debut at #2 on the album charts is a great accomplishment for any artist. It isn't like a movie debuting at number 1 at the box office. Sometimes the posts on this board are extremely stupid.
Your own post perhaps , too
It is not that an album at #2 is not great, but selling only 100k copies is weak. A hits compilation is the second week at number one and Prince can`t sell more than 100 000 copies?? It never was so easy for Prince to have the #1 album than this week...! |
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Wall said: murph said: I have no stake in what Prince sales or doesn't sale...So I could care less what the man pulls in because I'm not on his payroll (would be nice though...lol)...But comparing 3121 and Planet Earth first week numbers makes little sense...If you don't think the news of Prince releasing his music for free didn't effect sales, or the fact that he hasn't even dropped an official single or video for this project, then I don't know what to tell you....Prince recouped with his deal with the Mirror; that's why the press is praising him for the deal... Wall, I feel you, dog...There are folks on here that jump for joy when Prince sales 189,000 copies and then cop a plea when he sales 95, 000..Then there are the folks like myself who just want to hear some new music and see live performances whether its on television or on the live stage and smiles when he pulls one over on the music industry....And when it's needed I'll call Prince out for that bullshit... But your constant harping on whether or not Prince matters in 2007 is the makings of the other disgruntled, miserable Prince fan...The one who feels that they are keeping it real and putting the Kool-Aid sippers in their place by saying how Prince is dead...There is a fine line between fair criticism like objecting to quality of his recent musical output or his questionable treatment of longtime fans and just being a broken record who finds new ways to prove that a man that has been in the business for nearly 30 years is no longer viable... Prince is no different than Bruce Springsteen (Still can sell 200 to 300, 000 copies his first week, but doesn't get radio love; and doesn't have to...), Neil Young, or Paul Mac (Hooking up with Ipod helped his first week sales, but are the general music public checking for him?" For real?)...But the reason why Prince still commands respect (anyone that's washed up is not appearing on anyone's Power List like Entertainment Weekly just for playing "Kiss") is his status as currently one of the best performers onstage today...And at nearly 50 years old... The question you need to ask youself is would it effect you being a fan if other folks hated Prince? Are you that weak minded that because Prince sold less than 100, 000 copies that you will not be looked at as the cool kid...lol? You give folks that dare to criticize Prince and do not partake in the Purple Kool-Aid a bad name... Lighten up homie...it's not that serious... [Edited 7/30/07 20:12pm] I think you need to take your own advice -- lighten up. I'm not here to psychoanlyze posters like you apparently are, I'm here to discuss Prince and his music and nothing more. [Edited 7/30/07 20:34pm] I'm lightened homie...trust me...I've seen you discuss Prince and at times you make some great points...You are a real cat who is not afraid to point out some real flaws...But at times I think you try too hard to be a contrarian on every move Prince makes...I think sometimes it is what it is... | |
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