sagetarian
EVERY PAPER SOLD,IS A CD SOLD,ITS A SALE ,PRINCE SELLS MORE THAN 5OO,OOO HES NUMBER ONE IN THE ALBUM CHART -SIMPLE- TO THE O2 TOUR TO THE PAPER PRINCE IS NUMBER ANY WAY ,

how sad that the only way to get attention is by this gimicky crap versus ya know...good "music".

sosgemini said:

I gather you don't like the album then?

HamsterHuey said:

i haven't even heard it...and i look forward to purchasing it here in the state but all this talk about the marketing of this album is silly...marketing should get folks excited about the product, not excited about the marketing itself.

marketing should get folks excited about the product, not excited about the marketing itself.

sagetarian said:

Nah, bullshit, don't agree.

There needs to be INTENT. You need to be able to prove that the buyer is purchasing the paper to get the cd which can't be proven. If you could prove categorically that half a million copies MORE were sold than at any other time in the papers history, then i agree the case could POTENTIALLY be made for half a million cd's brought. But other than that, people are buying THE NEWSPAPER, and they're just getting some additionally shit for free which they WERE'NT purchasing. Might as well be a free tampon - of no use to at least half the buyers.

It gets ridiculous if you count that as an intentional cd sale. Think about it intelligently for a second. If you really wanna count that then lets take it to the next level - here's a plan for prince's next album: starting at the beginning of 2008, prince releases a free copy of his latest album 'Bite My Carbon Footprint' (working title only) with every loaf of bread sold, for the entire year. This will guarantee that he has the number one album for the entire year and has the biggest selling album of all time! Am i a fucking genius, or is this just a stupid idea? (while i may have the occasional moment of brilliance, sadly i'd have to go with the latter)

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sosgemini said:

But every song you hear on the radio or on TV is advertising itself anyway. What's the difference between a radio jingle which wants you to buy yoghurt or a Rhianna song which wants you to buy a Rhianna song?

sagetarian said:

Nah, bullshit, don't agree.

There needs to be INTENT. You need to be able to prove that the buyer is purchasing the paper to get the cd which can't be proven. If you could prove categorically that half a million copies MORE were sold than at any other time in the papers history, then i agree the case could POTENTIALLY be made for half a million cd's brought. But other than that, people are buying THE NEWSPAPER, and they're just getting some additionally shit for free which they WERE'NT purchasing. Might as well be a free tampon - of no use to at least half the buyers.

It gets ridiculous if you count that as an intentional cd sale. Think about it intelligently for a second. If you really wanna count that then lets take it to the next level - here's a plan for prince's next album: starting at the beginning of 2008, prince releases a free copy of his latest album 'Bite My Carbon Footprint' (working title only) with every loaf of bread sold, for the entire year. This will guarantee that he has the number one album for the entire year and has the biggest selling album of all time! Am i a fucking genius, or is this just a stupid idea? (while i may have the occasional moment of brilliance, sadly i'd have to go with the latter)

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sosgemini said:

But every song you hear on the radio or on TV is advertising itself anyway. What's the difference between a radio jingle which wants you to buy yoghurt or a Rhianna song which wants you to buy a Rhianna song?

Justin1972UK said:

because, the song on the radio is music.

Let's say they does count and he has a #1 album
Does it realy matter?
#1 or #100..
who cares... i dont

If the music is great, that's all I care about.

how sad that the only way to get attention is by this gimicky crap versus ya know...good "music".

sosgemini said:

Listen, the system was set up by the music industry. They have endorsed crap for years through the promotion of "nominal" artist who have less talent than Prince. Now, that the industry is suffering, it is just the chickens coming to rooster for the music industry. Don't forget about the Payola scams that the music industry has been involved in for years and years to push favorites and totally anniliate gifted and talented artist who fell out of favor with the big wigs or who had low music sales. Where are the Paula Coles, Rad, Ani DeFranco, Lenny Kravitz? These and other gifted musicians have had to find other ways to get their music out because once the sales drop, the music industry also drops the artist. I think it is nonsence to cry "foul" when you set the system up and now that someone has found a loophole in the system and uses it to expose the music industry for the vultures that they are. The industry has picked at the bones of talented musicians just to promote idiotic music by mean spirited rappers who would rather bust a cap into someone's a$$ and talk about death instead of realizing that they can finally be heard and share a gift and opportunity that has been given to them to create something of beauty.

If Prince has found a way to continue to create music and succeed in busines, I say, more power to him! Shoot,I vote him Business Man of the Year!!

sosgemini said:

Listen, the system was set up by the music industry. They have endorsed crap for years through the promotion of "nominal" artist who have less talent than Prince. Now, that the industry is suffering, it is just the chickens coming to rooster for the music industry. Don't forget about the Payola scams that the music industry has been involved in for years and years to push favorites and totally anniliate gifted and talented artist who fell out of favor with the big wigs or who had low music sales. Where are the Paula Coles, Rad, Ani DeFranco, Lenny Kravitz? These and other gifted musicians have had to find other ways to get their music out because once the sales drop, the music industry also drops the artist. I think it is nonsence to cry "foul" when you set the system up and now that someone has found a loophole in the system and uses it to expose the music industry for the vultures that they are. The industry has picked at the bones of talented musicians just to promote idiotic music by mean spirited rappers who would rather bust a cap into someone's a$$ and talk about death instead of realizing that they can finally be heard and share a gift and opportunity that has been given to them to create something of beauty.

If Prince has found a way to continue to create music and succeed in busines, I say, more power to him! Shoot,I vote him Business Man of the Year!!

btw: they do it without studio help too.



prince doesn't have to be pulling all this smoke and mirrors bullsh*t.

sosgemini said:

What’s wrong with Prince giving away his music? It’s his music 2 do whatever he like with it. He wants his music out there and everyone is making a big deal of it. The music industry and record stores r freakin out behind this mans business deal. Why? hell a few years ago they could care less about Prince, now all of a sudden they’re all on his dick. WHY? All the man is doing is giving away a cd in the Sunday paper and at his concert. That's what grown folks do.
Hell Prince is a Rock Star.

pennylover said:

i don't have a problem with him giving away his music... i just don't see how what he is doing has anything to do with the music...its a publicity stunt...nothing more...nothing less...and not the actions of a shrewd business man either.

its a stunt.

sosgemini said:

Him giving away his music in the Sunday paper and at his concerts is a publicity stunt? Please explain

pennylover said:

...the whole trying to use to "chart" is the stunt...i actually think the giveway is a great way to get your music heard...i just want the focus to be on the music and not the gimmick.