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PrintableLothan said: Graycap23 said: Are u saying this cd does not have 3 good tracks? 2 each his own. I could care less if anyone likes the cd. I dig the entire PE project. | |
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Let's see a few reasons... that's at least 3 right?
1) You came to a message board devoted to the man actually looking for someone to convince you not to buy it. (Don't kid yourself, those who say they aren't buying it because of the "steady decline of Prince's music" will have that shit next to their Japanese import version of New Power Soul) 2) You'll be here next year with the next release asking the same G*TDAMN question 3) 4 more album purchases and you'll receive your commemorative "No, but I'm really not a fronter!!" T-shirt. | |
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bsk3601 said: Let's see a few reasons... that's at least 3 right?
1) You came to a message board devoted to the man actually looking for someone to convince you not to buy it. (Don't kid yourself, those who say they aren't buying it because of the "steady decline of Prince's music" will have that shit next to their Japanese import version of New Power Soul) 2) You'll be here next year with the next release asking the same G*TDAMN question 3) 4 more album purchases and you'll receive your commemorative "No, but I'm really not a fronter!!" T-shirt.  [Edited 7/14/07 13:56pm] To GOD be the Glory! | |
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Graycap23 said: Lothan said: No I am not. I am saying that just because it is a new Prince album is not a good enough reason to buy it. I know people who do not even like three tracks on there and no matter how long their fandom, they will not be buying it. It does not make them any less Prince fans because of it.
2 each his own. I could care less if anyone likes the cd. I dig the entire PE project. Hi graycap.. the albums out and guess what? the first lyrics of the album are not what you said they would be with your ..ahem.. insider knowledge. In fact they dont show up anywhere on the album. Im saying nothing...  | |
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Brendan said: There are a lot of smart people on this thread debating a very complex issue.
This troubling debate will and should continue. However, the moral/ethical grounds of the new digital listening experience seem far less complex. If you choose not to buy, then you erase from your hard drive. If you don't get around to listening to the preview album for months or even years, fine, but when you do finally get the time, you only have a finite amount of time to listen. I don't know what that timetable should be for you, but each person will eventually know when this period of preview has lifted. When it lifts, you either erase or buy. If someone gives this CD to someone else as a gift or as part of a concert, so bet it. That individual now owns that CD. But others receiving gifts or concert privileges has nothing whatsoever to do with me. "Free the music" to me has always been a metaphor for allowing the artist to release as much or as little music as they so wish, whenever they wish. I don't think that it has ever meant that the music will all now be given away literally for no charge. And, if you're only feeling one song, the digital shoppes such as iTunes usually go a long way towards assisting.  Very good points, and more relevant 2 what I was alluding 2. How long is a fair preview period? How many listens? 24 hrs? Is it morally or ethically wrong 2 pass on a CD-R of any given album 2 others 2 'preview' 4 themselves prior 2 their own purchase? Isn't that a promotion in itself? With Prince's own stance/stunt against traditional CD sale channels (record stores) and a certainty that high quality rips of PE will flood the internet as a result of the paper and concert giveaways, I was just keen 2 xplore peoples reasons 2 actually part with hard earned cash 2 actually buy a physical, legitimate copy of the album. I mean, why do that, when I can do this? | |
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3121 said: Graycap23 said: 2 each his own. I could care less if anyone likes the cd. I dig the entire PE project. Hi graycap.. the albums out and guess what? the first lyrics of the album are not what you said they would be with your ..ahem.. insider knowledge. In fact they dont show up anywhere on the album. Im saying nothing... Oh larwd..... [Edited 7/14/07 15:57pm] | |
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bsk3601 said: Let's see a few reasons... that's at least 3 right?
1) You came to a message board devoted to the man actually looking for someone to convince you not to buy it. (Don't kid yourself, those who say they aren't buying it because of the "steady decline of Prince's music" will have that shit next to their Japanese import version of New Power Soul) 2) You'll be here next year with the next release asking the same G*TDAMN question 3) 4 more album purchases and you'll receive your commemorative "No, but I'm really not a fronter!!" T-shirt.  | |
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ThirdStrike said: christos7 said: I can only come up with 1.. The 1 U Wanna C.
I'm not that big on Prince's cover art anymore, a steady decline over the years. Most of the music I play now is in digital 4mat, b it in the car, portable etc. My 'collection' days r over. I may finally have more sense than dollars. 
Given that the album will b given away FREE in the UK, and will soon after flood the internet, and b truly free! (Apparently Prince only wants 2 'free' the music 2 them, and not @ his cost..)
I dunno.. Perhaps I could buy it 4 old timers sake, but I'm not so sold.  I think there's only one REAL reason you should buy this CD based on the points you've made in your initial post. And, that is, you owe it to the artist...period! I mean, you wouldn't go into Denny's...eat your meal...and then leave without paying the check, would you? What you've done by listening to "PE" before it's release is akin to eating off someone else's plate while you're waiting for the waitor to bring yours. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with sampling the food, but ultimately you're obligated to pay what's owed. It's only fair. I've listened to "PE" early as well. As a matter of fact, I'm listening to it as I type this. I can tell you this though, I WILL be going to my local record shop bright and early on the 24th to pay my check. You should to...' Just my 2 cents. What a complete load of fucking bollocks!! What if I've heard crappy 30 second authorised samples on the net?...do I have to buy then?...what if i hear one or two tracks on the radio?...do i have to buy then? .what if i download a couple of tracks...do i have to buy then?..what if i listen to most of the album but stop just before the end of the last song ...do i have to buy then?...what if i go to a friend's house and he/she plays me the whole thing?...do I have to buy then?....tell me exactly what percentage of the album i have to hear before I'm obliged to buy it, Mother theresa! Next time, before you get on your high horse....just have a think about what you're actually saying first...OK?....now go weave a few more baskets while the adults talk rationally for a while. oh and all the folks who typed "slam dunk!!", "word!" etc. in response are witless morons too...the american education system strikes again.....yay for you!!! "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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christos7 said: Brendan said: There are a lot of smart people on this thread debating a very complex issue.
This troubling debate will and should continue. However, the moral/ethical grounds of the new digital listening experience seem far less complex. If you choose not to buy, then you erase from your hard drive. If you don't get around to listening to the preview album for months or even years, fine, but when you do finally get the time, you only have a finite amount of time to listen. I don't know what that timetable should be for you, but each person will eventually know when this period of preview has lifted. When it lifts, you either erase or buy. If someone gives this CD to someone else as a gift or as part of a concert, so bet it. That individual now owns that CD. But others receiving gifts or concert privileges has nothing whatsoever to do with me. "Free the music" to me has always been a metaphor for allowing the artist to release as much or as little music as they so wish, whenever they wish. I don't think that it has ever meant that the music will all now be given away literally for no charge. And, if you're only feeling one song, the digital shoppes such as iTunes usually go a long way towards assisting. Very good points, and more relevant 2 what I was alluding 2. How long is a fair preview period? How many listens? 24 hrs? Is it morally or ethically wrong 2 pass on a CD-R of any given album 2 others 2 'preview' 4 themselves prior 2 their own purchase? Isn't that a promotion in itself? With Prince's own stance/stunt against traditional CD sale channels (record stores) and a certainty that high quality rips of PE will flood the internet as a result of the paper and concert giveaways, I was just keen 2 xplore peoples reasons 2 actually part with hard earned cash 2 actually buy a physical, legitimate copy of the album. I mean, why do that, when I can do this? Now you’re posing some really challenging dilemmas. But I like challenges, even when I fall directly upon my face (which I do quite frequently). >How long is a fair preview period? For myself, I’d consider it to be over when I’m mostly hearing and not attentively listening. After that point I am clearly cheating, because I have enough information to make up my own damn mind yeah or nay. This period could range from hours to weeks and I’m quite sure that it will vary greatly from person to person. But I eventually know when I’m purely enjoying/absorbing without any of the pressures of decision. >Is it morally or ethically wrong 2 pass on a CD-R of any given album 2 other 2 >“preview” 4 themselves prior 2 their own purchase? Isn’t that a promotion in itself? Absolutely, and I think it is technically illegal; at least by the letter of the law. But do I do it? Yes. How do I justify this to myself? Well, the same way I justify going faster than the speed limit. In other words, I don’t ever do it recklessly. I’ve given away about 1 or 2 CDs per year. And in most cases this gets people to spend money on music that they would not have otherwise. And if someone literally never (or almost never) listens to certain music, why would they go out and buy it? If they’re not listening to it, it’s probably because they either not enjoying it or because they forgot they even possessed it. Either way, no one is being used, because the music is not getting used (even for a laugh). I would think that passing out music as party favors would be reckless by anyone’s definition.
> With Prince's own stance/stunt against traditional CD sale channels (record stores) and > a certainty that high quality rips of PE will flood the internet as a result of the paper and > concert giveaways, I was just keen 2 xplore peoples reasons 2 actually part with hard > earned cash 2 actually buy a physical, legitimate copy of the album. I mean, why do > that, when I can do this? If I didn’t attend the concert or buy the paper, I don’t get to own the CD. On P2P networks I’m only allowed what I described above. Of course, as we all know, these networks are seldom used for previews.
And if someone wants to gift me this CD, feel free!
But I would say that if you possess a conscience (and you CLEARLY do) and your conscience is not bothered, you probably aren’t doing anything very wrong, But that would surely freak out he lawyers and their rules. I’ll let anyone who can inform my opinions, do so, but no one person will dictate them. What Prince (or any other artist) may or may not believe is of no great concern to me, unless of course they say something that can help strengthen my own opinion. Great talking with you. You pose important questions. --- [Edited 7/14/07 17:32pm] | |
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Brendan said: Now you’re posing some really challenging dilemmas. But I like challenges, even when I fall directly upon my face (which I do quite frequently).
>How long is a fair preview period? For myself, I’d consider it to be over when I’m mostly hearing and not attentively listening. After that point I am clearly cheating, because I have enough information to make up my own damn mind yeah or nay. This period could range from hours to weeks and I’m quite sure that it will vary greatly from person to person. But I eventually know when I’m purely enjoying/absorbing without any of the pressures of decision. >Is it morally or ethically wrong 2 pass on a CD-R of any given album 2 other 2 >“preview” 4 themselves prior 2 their own purchase? Isn’t that a promotion in itself? Absolutely, and I think it is technically illegal; at least by the letter of the law. But do I do it? Yes. How do I justify this to myself? Well, the same way I justify going faster than the speed limit. In other words, I don’t ever do it recklessly. I’ve given away about 1 or 2 CDs per year. And in most cases this gets people to spend money on music that they would not have otherwise. And if someone literally never (or almost never) listens to certain music, why would they go out and buy it? If they’re not listening to it, it’s probably because they either not enjoying it or because they forgot they even possessed it. Either way, no one is being used, because the music is not getting used (even for a laugh). I would think that passing out music as party favors would be reckless by anyone’s definition.
> With Prince's own stance/stunt against traditional CD sale channels (record stores) and > a certainty that high quality rips of PE will flood the internet as a result of the paper and > concert giveaways, I was just keen 2 xplore peoples reasons 2 actually part with hard > earned cash 2 actually buy a physical, legitimate copy of the album. I mean, why do > that, when I can do this? If I didn’t attend the concert or buy the paper, I don’t get to own the CD. On P2P networks I’m only allowed what I described above. Of course, as we all know, these networks are seldom used for previews.
And if someone wants to gift me this CD, feel free!
But I would say that if you possess a conscience (and you CLEARLY do) and your conscience is not bothered, you probably aren’t doing anything very wrong, But that would surely freak out he lawyers and their rules. I’ll let anyone who can inform my opinions, do so, but no one person will dictate them. What Prince (or any other artist) may or may not believe is of no great concern to me, unless of course they say something that can help strengthen my own opinion. Great talking with you. You pose important questions. --- Brendan thanx 4 ur well thought out and xpressed opinions. We seem 2 have correlating views. Spot on! | |
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a few good reasons 2 actually BUY .....
one reason- its simple its Prince! (omg im a fammy fam again )
i cant wait 2 get that call from my wrecka stow 2 say its arrived 
but seriously previews/leaks r exciting- but when the product hits the stores/or net 4 official purchase- if u want it, it should b purchased. thats always been my view- free giveaways by the artists themselves r a different story- its their product and if they want 2 give it away- so b it- its their right. if musicians dont get paid 4 their work- they wont b around long enough 2 keep putting the music out there 4 our enjoyment. if u dont like wot u've heard in a preview/listen- dont buy- but wipe off ur computer- after all, u didnt like it anyway- so y keep it.  seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before   | |
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Graycap23 said: 3121 said: Hi graycap.. the albums out and guess what? the first lyrics of the album are not what you said they would be with your ..ahem.. insider knowledge. In fact they dont show up anywhere on the album. Im saying nothing... Oh larwd..... [Edited 7/14/07 15:57pm] i'll take that as u know phuck all. It all comes out in time my friend. | |
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The last few minutes of the title track are reason alone to buy this album. When the guitar kicks in you know he's written another classic . The rest isn't Earth shattering , but it's still groovy as all Hell , Wendy & Lisas enchanting vocals add some real magic and make me all sentimental for days gone by . | |
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Prince has to eat.
Those electrical bills at Paisley. Alimony. Palimony. Galimony. Property Taxes. Don't pay those and Uncle Sam will put yo' s**t on blast on page D-18 of the paper. "FORECLOSURE! I'm Uncle Sam b****!" Plus, with downloading being so careless we should support Artists. If somebody downloaded our CD and it took money out of our pockets we'd be p****d off so let's try to keep good karma. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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just bcuz its prince, i traveled an hour just 2 get a lame ass dvd called "The Reign of the Prince Ages"and it was not worth the drive or the 6 dollars i payed for it,..but its in my collection. | |
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tell me what's a "good reason" to you and i'll tell you that | |
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jpav said: Downloading complete copies of something without paying for it is stealing...
No, it's not stealing. It might be copyright infringement, though. |
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By buying his new CD you would contribute to Prince's retirement fund. Mo' money, mo' money!!!  love the one who is Love! | |
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Maybe you'll get a Purple Ticket! We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: Maybe you'll get a Purple Ticket! Oh my god. | |
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I understand your issues here. I bought "The rainbow Children" when i was feeling very similar to how you are now. However I now regard it as one of his finest albums and it reinvigorated my passion for him. It may not be to everyone's taste but it struck a chord with me..and that is what prince does!
You may hear dreadful reviews (and there are plenty around) but it may grab you and tease you like Lovesexy did or TGE did. The man is capable of something mind blowing at any time esp when you are least expecting it. What i love most about Prince is that 1 fan can categorically hate 1 song (eg, 7) and it can be another fan's favourite. That is why i feel compulsed to buy every album because I never know when we will fully connect again! No child is bad from the beginning. They only imitate their atmosphere. | |
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christos7 said: I can only come up with 1.. The 1 U Wanna C.
I'm not that big on Prince's cover art anymore, a steady decline over the years. Most of the music I play now is in digital 4mat, b it in the car, portable etc. My 'collection' days r over. I may finally have more sense than dollars.
Given that the album will b given away FREE in the UK, and will soon after flood the internet, and b truly free! (Apparently Prince only wants 2 'free' the music 2 them, and not @ his cost..)
I dunno.. Perhaps I could buy it 4 old timers sake, but I'm not so sold. The more you listen to the album Christos7, you will want 7 copies. Just listen to the end of "Planet Earth" when he rips in to the guitar, you will feel it. God doesn't just tells me how much he "LOVE's" me, God shows me how much he "LOVE's" me. Both telling and showing "LOVE" means to "LOVE". They go hand in hand. You can't have one with out the other. Something is spoken, then followed by an action. That is | |
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Maybe one day you run out of toilet paper and you could use the PE cover art to wipe your ass with? | |
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iceblueangel2007 said: christos7 said: I can only come up with 1.. The 1 U Wanna C.
I'm not that big on Prince's cover art anymore, a steady decline over the years. Most of the music I play now is in digital 4mat, b it in the car, portable etc. My 'collection' days r over. I may finally have more sense than dollars.
Given that the album will b given away FREE in the UK, and will soon after flood the internet, and b truly free! (Apparently Prince only wants 2 'free' the music 2 them, and not @ his cost..)
I dunno.. Perhaps I could buy it 4 old timers sake, but I'm not so sold. The more you listen to the album Christos7, you will want 7 copies. Just listen to the end of "Planet Earth" when he rips in to the guitar, you will feel it.  | |
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