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Printable DevotedPuppy said: emesem said: so they can sell it to the next guy who wants to buy themselves a #1 record.
 Exactly...I'm not sure it should count in the charts. Imho, that would be devaluing the music moreso than just giving it away.I agree with both of you. Charts should measure the reception of an album by people who decide to purchase it, not someone who just happens to get it for free. It's certainly seems like a way to buy chart credits. He could give out a sampler and let people buy. He must be scared they won't buy. | |
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SynthiaRose said: DevotedPuppy said: Exactly...I'm not sure it should count in the charts. Imho, that would be devaluing the music moreso than just giving it away.I agree with both of you. Charts should measure the reception of an album by people who decide to purchase it, not someone who just happens to get it for free. It's certainly seems like a way to buy chart credits. He could give out a sampler and let people buy. He must be scared they won't buy. yep, it's cheating. It's a brilliant promotion, but it's cheating with respect to the charts. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Stax said: SynthiaRose said: I agree with both of you. Charts should measure the reception of an album by people who decide to purchase it, not someone who just happens to get it for free. It's certainly seems like a way to buy chart credits. He could give out a sampler and let people buy. He must be scared they won't buy. yep, it's cheating. It's a brilliant promotion, but it's cheating with respect to the charts. why is it cheating when it wont even be allowed into the charts! This possibly could be the biggest debut for prince album in 20yrs if he had sold in retial stores |
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asg said: Stax said: yep, it's cheating. It's a brilliant promotion, but it's cheating with respect to the charts. why is it cheating when it wont even be allowed into the charts! This possibly could be the biggest debut for prince album in 20yrs if he had sold in retial stores  a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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TheEnglishGent said: BlackAdder7 said: what if you never by the sunday Mail, and buy it only cause it has the Prince cd...? Then you will be in a big minority. It's sad but true, many of his last albums haven't sold well here. They might sell big for a week to the harcore fans but they disappear rapidly after that.- I agree. Prince does all these tricks but his last TRUE hit was "The Most beautiful girl in the world"... [Edited 7/13/07 18:32pm] |
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Lammastide said:  Anyone know if the offshore editions will have the CD?Article continues An extra 200,000 copies of the paper will be printed without the CD for foreign and bulk sales. The Mail on Sunday sells 2.3m copies each weekend, according to the latest ABC figures. IN CASE U MISSED IT.... | |
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Most ppl forget only prince can do this kinda deal! and u ask why others cant??
others cant becoz thier albums r financed by thier labels and they have big time producers owed royalties! and song writers owed on each song! It is next to impossible for any big act to give out album for free and still make a profit! Prince owns the whole album with no obligations to anyone and he gets to keep 100% of the profits and his expenses in making the album r mainly to pay for studio time! Even diamonds and perls which was his biggest sellin album in the uk only sold like 300k. Even if he sold 200k with his current album he wont still make a $1million which he is makin rite now and he gets paid upfront! |
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i don't think those CDs (those given away through Daily Mail) are gonna chart- and Prince shouldn't be surprised when they don't. I mean, the rules were rewritten after the whole Musicology deal. Are rules for UK album sales different than those from the U.S.? if they are, then there could be a possiblity. "So shall it be written, so shall it be sung..."  | |
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Mortan said: superspaceboy said: I agree. It's being given away for free to the public. Heck I can do THAT...does that mean I am now number one? The Musicology thing was different as folks were buying tix to his concert and thus it was more aligned with him. That said, I think charts are HOOEY and mean almost nothing. They certainly don't reflect what is good and decent, like they used to. UM...since when is a newspaper free? The rights were purchased, and either through subscriptions, or newstands...its HARDLY being given away. You're missing the point - it's either free (as they claim) and people havent bought it or you are buying it...in which case the whole free-giveaway and "giving music back to the fans for free" is horse poo. Surley anybody who wanted a number 1 album would just go around sticking copies of thier CD through peoples doors and say "well you have it...so it counts as a chart position". Where does it stop - the chart is on Record Sales....hell, I could knock out a cd and stand on the street giving them out to get a chart slot if it was that easy | |
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I think it's ridiculous that anyone thought it had a chance of charting at all in the first place, considering the very strict (and often archaic) rules that the UK chart has. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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I know I can't speak for P or his aims, but isn't all of this bruhaha about the freebies just more pub and buzz for the product itself...? Like when a dealer gives out free samples to new customers to bring in more paying customers?
I dunno....  ...maybe its just me....He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot) the video for the above... 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related | |
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Quinn319 said: What I love most of all is that by giving this CD away 4 free (2 us that is). That Prince has ppl talking about his new CD and didn't have 2 pay 4 that shit like so many have 2!
I'm thinking that if the money has changed hands 4 the CD y can't it b counted? That's y Musicology was so high on the charts in the states cause it was givin away! Go get em Prince!  That is just too Kewl! they havn't even learn't yet at their their own game!  for which they had no right!
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AH!!! I get it now!
HE/HIS TEAM FIGURED OUT HOW TO SELL 2.3 MILLION COPIES IN ONE DAY WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER!!! OMG, I can't stop LAUGHING right now! Part of me is like "You little sh*t!" and the other part of me is like "F*ing genious!" Yea, he's pissed off a lot of people, but the truth is that it's the old establishment, the old money and the old "industry". In a way, this is a giant leap for independent artists. Because it sends a message that says: 'BEAT THE SYSTEM- IT CAN BE DONE!'. Whether or not he MEANT to send that message is another thing, but regardless, it signals the end of the Dinosaur Age that the music industry has been stumbling (or slumping rather!) through. GO AHEAD Mr. Rogers...The last time something even remotely as clever happened, it was the KLF- 15+ years ago!!! Sik 'em BROTHER! GO!  [Edited 7/14/07 1:34am] *everybody needs a thrill* | |
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Well, if the Mail on Sunday wants to waste it's money pursuing a legal
no-hope case that's up to them. but I can tell them now that they don't stand a snowball's chance of winning. Prince's 'Planet Earth' album CANNOT chart in the UK, as ALL copies are being given away free and this makes them automatically ineligible for the UK album chart. As the UK album chart always has been a purely SALES driven chart. | |
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If the album did chart it would go straight in at No.1 for 1 week with record 1st week sales ....the next week it would see the biggest drop down the charts in history ..."down from No.1 to nowhere"  'til you're burnin' up | |
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Lammastide said: Anyone know if the offshore editions will have the CD?No, they won't. | |
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surely the easiest way to get around it not being charted due to it being 'a free giveaway' would be to say "PRINCE 'PLANET EARTH' out sunday! £1.50, plus free copy of the mail on sunday!"
there's always a way to get round the music industry, except that they like to change the rules all the time | |
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stick ya charts up your arse --is wat i say EVEN IN THE SUMMER TIME | |
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LollyPopLife said: AH!!! I get it now!
HE/HIS TEAM FIGURED OUT HOW TO SELL 2.3 MILLION COPIES IN ONE DAY WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER!!! OMG, I can't stop LAUGHING right now! Part of me is like "You little sh*t!" and the other part of me is like "F*ing genious!" Yea, he's pissed off a lot of people, but the truth is that it's the old establishment, the old money and the old "industry". In a way, this is a giant leap for independent artists. Because it sends a message that says: 'BEAT THE SYSTEM- IT CAN BE DONE!'. Whether or not he MEANT to send that message is another thing, but regardless, it signals the end of the Dinosaur Age that the music industry has been stumbling (or slumping rather!) through. GO AHEAD Mr. Rogers...The last time something even remotely as clever happened, it was the KLF- 15+ years ago!!! Sik 'em BROTHER! GO!
[Edited 7/14/07 1:34am] Who is Mr Rogers? Anyway, I mean I guess technically he did sell them. He sold them to the newspaper and the newspaper is giving them away free. It's a dirty trick but the record industry deserves it. I guess if he can prove he sold each one or sold them in bulk to the paper, they would have to chart it, right? And wouldn't we, the nosy nosy fans get to see how much he made on that "sale"? | |
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Lammastide said: Anyone know if the offshore editions will have the CD?I see the answer: An extra 200,000 copies of the paper will be printed without the CD for foreign and bulk sales. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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 Space for sale... | |
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The copies sold in HMV should by rights be counted as HMV does NOT sell newspapers, it sells CD's.
Therefore, all HMV sales are essentially a CD sale. Customers are buying 'Planet Earth' and getting a newspaper for free. However, the record industry dinosaurs here are not going to 'help' Prince with this. HMV's behaviour does amuse me though: they threaten not to stock Prince's back releases and then relent and sell the newspaper anyway. | |
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uk chart rules r alot harder then the us chart rules!
In the us it is known fact that the album has to sell above a certain amount to be counted! I have no idea how low u can price the CD but it must be atleast $5 at the very least and possible in the $7 range! FYI uk charts didnt even allow him to include the concert he had in his house for 3121 |
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Prince is the shit
I fucking love the man, what a genius 2.3 million copies will be out there, what a bloody genius Damn right they should count this as charting. Fuck the charts anyway, Prince fucks the system and should Win. Prince all the way, fuck the RIAA and fuck the charts We want music and Prince gives it to us. Yeah, this is what I'm talking about, Prince, the number 1 genius on Planet Earth. Clever brother, | |
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livewire said: I think the threat of this lawsuit is just a well-timed ruse to grab headlines and another round of free publicity heading into the big weekend.
You really have to hand it to Prince. The last few years he's been able to generate money/press/buzz anytime he's wanted it. It's all the more remarkable when you remember that this is an artist who was derided as being "irrelevant" less than FIVE years ago! PRINCE WON!!! (c) Chris Rock [Edited 7/13/07 11:56am] Yep! The man is a genius and he is still kicking the music industry in the a$$! I guess Prince is telling the industry that he will not go out like a punk! Prince figures he will be a fool to allow his music and career to end like so many other African American musicians like Jackie Wilson, Frankie Lymon and others that the industry robbed over the years..... "A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1 People can slam their door, disagree and fight it But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son? United States of Division"     | |
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GustavoRibas said: TheEnglishGent said: Then you will be in a big minority. It's sad but true, many of his last albums haven't sold well here. They might sell big for a week to the harcore fans but they disappear rapidly after that.
- I agree. Prince does all these tricks but his last TRUE hit was "The Most beautiful girl in the world"... [Edited 7/13/07 18:32pm] ...and that wasn't even truly a hit without some tricks. If you remember he was selling the singles for like a quarter at his store. It was never really a big radio hit but charted high because of sales and whether or not all the singles sold is another question. They had so many of those singles left over that they gave away like 40,000 free at a concert once. | |
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lovemachine said: GustavoRibas said: - I agree. Prince does all these tricks but his last TRUE hit was "The Most beautiful girl in the world"... [Edited 7/13/07 18:32pm] ...and that wasn't even truly a hit without some tricks. If you remember he was selling the singles for like a quarter at his store. It was never really a big radio hit but charted high because of sales and whether or not all the singles sold is another question. They had so many of those singles left over that they gave away like 40,000 free at a concert once. i just don't understand why he is so fascinated with record sales and being number one...if the goal is to be heard then do the npgmc online thing again and tour...if amiee mann, ani difranco and sufjan stevens can get their music in every record store without the push of a big label then prince can do... whats the goal here? getting on mtv or the radio? are these even trusted sources anymore? he can do the talk show, american idol and award show circuit without the help of a label...he does it already...so what is he gaining by pulling these chart "stunts"? Space for sale... | |
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i don't think it's chart stunts
at the least, he's beating the industry at their own game and i think he believes he has a message to share (this would've worked better with an album like TRC tho) he wants to get that message out! out into the hands of millions without paying a dime in fact, once it's in the hands of others that's when he'll see big profits watch and see how this works then we'll be debating a whole new set of motivations for this "stunt" | |
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This is a good move for Prince who would probably not even break Platinum otherwise. He knows this and he knows he has to take drastic actions to get the album out there.
That said, this shouldn't chart because, again, it's not a "sale" so much as it's a "gift." The PAPER bought the LICENSE but it didn't really buy the CDs themselves, and thus they shouldn't count as sales. Now if the paper had bought all 3 million copies and were just putting them in, it'd be a different story, but as it stands, no this should not chart and if it does, it makes the charts look even worse than they already do. | |
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I Think Prince is full of gimmicks to boost alblum sales! I'm afraid HE don't even trust his music is good enough to sell on it's own merits as being worth the purchase! First the Musicology CD/ticket gimmick now this...I'm sorry if you don't agree with me but it seems Prince puts all his afford and imagination in the distribution of the product, instead of the product itself! | |
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