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gmcb said: vinx98 said: Title track - awesome song, but the break in the middle uses "could this be magic" by Barry Manilow.. its not 100% exact, but it is so damn similar that I was thinking to myself when I first heard this... Ive heard this before!!
I'm less concerned about Prince getting sued and more concerned with you being familiar enough with Barry Manilow songs to know that a Price song sounded like it.  It's ok to know a wide range of music. |
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kpowers said: gmcb said: I'm less concerned about Prince getting sued and more concerned with you being familiar enough with Barry Manilow songs to know that a Price song sounded like it. It's ok to know a wide range of music. Im not even a barry manilow fan, i just know its one of his songs. its just so famous that I thought it was well known... maybe Im showing my age now  | |
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vinx98 said: kpowers said: It's ok to know a wide range of music. Im not even a barry manilow fan, i just know its one of his songs. its just so famous that I thought it was well known... maybe Im showing my age now I bet it's "Mandy".....yeah I admit that I like that song |
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gmcb said: vinx98 said: Title track - awesome song, but the break in the middle uses "could this be magic" by Barry Manilow.. its not 100% exact, but it is so damn similar that I was thinking to myself when I first heard this... Ive heard this before!!
I'm less concerned about Prince getting sued and more concerned with you being familiar enough with Barry Manilow songs to know that a Price song sounded like it.  gmbc u made my day. I needed a good laugh  |
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vinx98 said: That might be true Bargearse, but it doesnt matter if its delberate or not.. he can still be sued..
Which is why I never suggested he might not. Then again, he could have been sued for 'Purple Rain', deliberate or not. It's very unlikely to happen. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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moderatorlangebleu said: vinx98 said: That might be true Bargearse, but it doesnt matter if its delberate or not.. he can still be sued..
Which is why I never suggested he might not. Then again, he could have been sued for 'Purple Rain', deliberate or not. It's very unlikely to happen. what did he plaigarise on PR? | |
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vinx98 said: when Vanilla Ice copied under pressure, he just changed one note of the song and got away with it! I'm pretty sure he got successfully sued for this.RIP  | |
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kpowers said: gmcb said: I'm less concerned about Prince getting sued and more concerned with you being familiar enough with Barry Manilow songs to know that a Price song sounded like it. It's ok to know a wide range of music.  plus,that Barry Manilow song is GREAT  Nothing wrong with being a Barry Manilow fan,lol. | |
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SoulAlive said: kpowers said: It's ok to know a wide range of music. plus,that Barry Manilow song is GREAT Nothing wrong with being a Barry Manilow fan,lol.Well Barry does write the songs that make the whole world cry. |
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kpowers said: SoulAlive said: plus,that Barry Manilow song is GREAT Nothing wrong with being a Barry Manilow fan,lol.Well Barry does write the songs that make the whole world cry.  | |
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vinx98 said: Shorty said: note for note? about 90%, i see where you are going with this, but when Vanilla Ice copied under pressure, he just changed one note of the song and got away with it, even though we all knew it was under pressure! 90% !!?? that leaves 10% different.....that's alot. vanilla ice changing one note is like 1% I think Prince is safe. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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come on....some people may say: "there are only 7 notes, it happens". I believe in coincidences. I believe that a guy like Prince could write a progression that could be similar to what an unknown writer could have used.
But when the song is famous, there is no excuse. I didn´t hear ´Chelsea, but the chorus melody of ´Guitar´ is completely Beatles ´Back in the USSR´...note by note. Daft Punk´s ´Around the world´ is a very famous bassline. If ´Chelsea´ really sounds like this one, there is no excuse to do something so similar without giving credits... |
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Let him be sued for a change he is not above it.....whether it stands or not he can get a dose of his own medicine !! Youth is wasted on the young ..... | |
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Shorty said: vinx98 said: about 90%, i see where you are going with this, but when Vanilla Ice copied under pressure, he just changed one note of the song and got away with it, even though we all knew it was under pressure! 90% !!?? that leaves 10% different.....that's alot. vanilla ice changing one note is like 1% I think Prince is safe. I wrote When Doves Cry in 1977, but I didnt get a penny.. oh well | |
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gmcb said: vinx98 said: Title track - awesome song, but the break in the middle uses "could this be magic" by Barry Manilow.. its not 100% exact, but it is so damn similar that I was thinking to myself when I first heard this... Ive heard this before!!
I'm less concerned about Prince getting sued and more concerned with you being familiar enough with Barry Manilow songs to know that a Price song sounded like it. | |
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blumer said: "Guitar's" chorus is similar to Beatles "Back in the USSR"
Glad I wasnt the only one to think this - I thought I was hearing things (and a cover version) |
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vinx98 said: Shorty said: note for note? about 90%, i see where you are going with this, but when Vanilla Ice copied under pressure, he just changed one note of the song and got away with it, even though we all knew it was under pressure! He didn't get away with it, they settled out of court. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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And 1999 borrows from Monday Monday....blah blah blah.
7 syllable phrase, delivered monotone except for the next to last, which ends in an "R. How long have you people been listening to music for christ sakes! | |
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coltrane3 said: Similarities are not enough. I doubt Prince would be successfully sued.
Remember when Tom Petty was trying to sue the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Ridiculous. Petty didn't sue. More than a few people said the RHCP copied Petty. Petty himself said ""I seriously doubt that there is any negative intent there. And a lot of rock & roll songs sound alike." "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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langebleu said: vinx98 said: if thats the case, then Prince can legally use it. I remember the famous case when Ray Parker Jnr was sued for using the bassline of Huey Lewis and the News "I wanna new drug" on his smash hit "Ghostbusters". It was only the bassline! And he was sued! His career has never been the same since... Manilow co-wrote 'Could It Be Magic' and the chord structure is based on the Chopin Prelude. In fact, at the end of the track, the song breaks down just to the chords to reveal that it is Chopin. The similarity of the song with 'Planet Earth' has nothing to do with the chord structure - it is the bridge melody which is reminiscent of the Manilow song. Personally, I think it also sounds like one of those fancy contrived bridges Prince slots into some of his songs, and doubt whether any of the instances described above would be considered deliberate plagiarism. | |
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As Earth, Wind, and Fire will tell you:
Sounds. . .they never dissipate. They only recreate in another space and time.  | |
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Until we have the actual cd cover in hand to read the credits if necessary, it's all just speculation. If P used bits of others music I'm quite sure he'd credit the original artist. He's not cheesy. And what about other's who lifted, sampled or changed a chord or 2 of his. I'd much rather wait then jump on a MIGHT bandwagon. "Ronnie, talk to Russia." [Edited 7/12/07 19:46pm] "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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emesem said: And 1999 borrows from Monday Monday....blah blah blah.
7 syllable phrase, delivered monotone except for the next to last, which ends in an "R. How long have you people been listening to music for christ sakes! no... i think prince successfully sued himself on that occaision... | |
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SoulAlive said: kpowers said: It's ok to know a wide range of music. plus,that Barry Manilow song is GREAT Nothing wrong with being a Barry Manilow fan,lol. Eye agree  Barry Manilow has several Power Ballads eye really dig and "Could this Be Magic" & Mandy r 2 of my Favorites! In my opinion, Eye think Mr.Manilow would be fantastically Honored 
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proud2bafan said: As Earth, Wind, and Fire will tell you:
Sounds. . .they never dissipate. They only recreate in another space and time. Yo, if I ever get married(probably never) I'll Write a Song For You will be the first song we(whoever she will be) will dance to. Favorite song by E,W&F. | |
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Prince always borrows heavily from other artists. Half the fun is figuring out what he took from who. | |
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"Plagiarise, plagiarise! Let no man's work evade your eyes!"
I stole that quote from somebody else. To be honest, without mimicry, however you fkn spell it, we'd still be figuring out how to hoover up termites and ants using bits of old bamboo.... who owns the intellectual property rights on that sharpened flint arrow head? somebody could've made a mint if they'd invented patents back then. And indeed currency. Sue my fkn testicles. | |
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said it once, say it again ->
the Manilow song originated from a Chopin piece . . .
if borrowed once, why not borrow it twice 
 Chopin ain't schlock
whatever is has already been, and what will be has been before; and God will call the past into account. [Ecclesiastes 3:15]  | |
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GoldiLocks said: said it once, say it again ->
the Manilow song originated from a Chopin piece . . .
if borrowed once, why not borrow it twice
Chopin ain't schlock
whatever is has already been, and what will be has been before; and God will call the past into account. [Ecclesiastes 3:15] some1 betta call the emoticon designer up on the frowning - the green-sabre dudes were never that angry!  | |
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dseann said: proud2bafan said: As Earth, Wind, and Fire will tell you:
Sounds. . .they never dissipate. They only recreate in another space and time. Yo, if I ever get married(probably never) I'll Write a Song For You will be the first song we(whoever she will be) will dance to. Favorite song by E,W&F. Have you seen them live, lately? STILL AWESOME! While I love me some Prince, ya gotta also give Philip Bailey his props. The man is even older than Prince and still hits every single note. GREAT LIVE SHOWS. Go see 'em! | |
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