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Paper pays $1mil to give Prince's new album away

http://www.telegraph.co.u...nce130.xml

Paper pays £500k to give Prince's new album away

Last Updated: 2:15am BST 30/06/2007


The Mail on Sunday has paid a reported £500,000 to distribute Prince’s Planet Earth CD
The Mail has paid a reported £500,000 to distribute Prince’s Planet Earth CD

A Sunday newspaper is understood to have paid the Princely sum of $1m (£500,000) to give away the pint-sized popstar's new album, in an unprecedented move that has infuriated music retailers.

HMV chief executive Simon Fox has said it would be "absolutely nuts" for the music industry to give away new CDs through papers amid fears that other artists will follow suit.

The Mail on Sunday is hoping that its costs will be justified by increased sales when it releases the Planet Earth album before any other distributor in the world.

Newspapers have used CD and DVD cover mounts for several years but never before has an artist released a new album as a giveaway.

The music industry, which is battling fierce competition from online piracy, fears the move will further devalue its product.

Martin Talbot, editor of Music Week, said: "The danger is that it becomes a trend for artists who can get a large sum upfront with no marketing costs."

The UK arm of Sony BMG's Columbia records has withdrawn from its global deal to distribute the 10-track Planet Earth album.

Peter Wright, editor of The Mail on Sunday, said: "Prince is running a campaign to give music back to the fans and we are delighted to be involved.
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Reply #1 posted 06/30/07 4:40pm

emesem

who pays for the manfacturing?

So W&L and all the other musicians dont get any royalties because its "free goods?" or do they get a cut of the 500k PS?

Good going Prince, recorded music is truly a worthless commodity now, a true loss leader.
[Edited 6/30/07 16:40pm]
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Reply #2 posted 06/30/07 4:41pm

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asg said:

... "The danger is that it becomes a trend for artists who can get a large sum upfront with no marketing costs."


lol It's only a danger to the already-dying record industry!! Oh dear, gawd forbid artists don't have to pay a record company to market their record!!

This is so much fun, what a great move by Prince. I can't wait to see what follows on from all this!! thumbs up!
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Reply #3 posted 06/30/07 4:44pm

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emesem said:

who pays for the manfacturing?

So W&L and all the other musicians dont get any royalties because its "free goods?" or do they get a cut of the 500k PS?

Good going Prince, recorded music is truly a worthless commodity now, a true loss leader.
[Edited 6/30/07 16:40pm]

i bet the paper pays for that! but it wont be expensive maybe 10-25cents per cd!

but considerin diamonds and perls one of princes last big album in the UK sold somewherein the 300k range! so he made $2 a cd it would only be $600k
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Reply #4 posted 06/30/07 5:39pm

emesem

CandaceS said:

asg said:

... "The danger is that it becomes a trend for artists who can get a large sum upfront with no marketing costs."


lol It's only a danger to the already-dying record industry!! Oh dear, gawd forbid artists don't have to pay a record company to market their record!!

This is so much fun, what a great move by Prince. I can't wait to see what follows on from all this!! thumbs up!



This sort of strategy is fine if you are an established artist with a devoted following but new acts need someone to front the $$$. Sure the current incarnation of the music biz is in terrible shape but there will always be a need for upfront cash. Pepsi, Verizon, your local newspaper are not going to pay a new artist no one has ever hear of money just because. The labels serve a function that cant really be replaced. Perhaps other players will emerge (Apple, Microsoft etc) but the deal will be basically the same: I give you money up front, help market you and you give me a cut of your sales. ITs not rocket science.

One of the main things that went wrong in the music biz was that the big artists demanded more and more upfront (and they had every right to do so) but this has destroyed the ability for these companies to help develop new acts.

Prince and other will have you believe that they dont get paid enough but in reality its the Princes, Madonna, Dave Mathews etc...are the only ones who get paid anymore. Labels dont make money and new artist get more and more screwed.
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Reply #5 posted 06/30/07 6:35pm

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$1 million?



wow. that backfired. he would've made more than $1 mil on the number that would have been sold through retail.
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Reply #6 posted 06/30/07 7:06pm

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more people might hear it this way
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Reply #7 posted 06/30/07 7:08pm

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I hope it works out for the best for Prince. He does like to take risks, doesn't he?
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Reply #8 posted 06/30/07 7:28pm

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ufoclub said:

more people might hear it this way




in that case, he might just as well release it to soulseek or emule or limewire. shrug
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Reply #9 posted 06/30/07 7:59pm

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Raze said:

ufoclub said:

more people might hear it this way




in that case, he might just as well release it to soulseek or emule or limewire. shrug


That's it, I want to call my new cd Nail The Nozzle!
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Reply #10 posted 06/30/07 8:06pm

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Raze said:

ufoclub said:

more people might hear it this way




in that case, he might just as well release it to soulseek or emule or limewire. shrug


I think he will with the next one...
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Reply #11 posted 06/30/07 8:11pm

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MarcelJ said:

Raze said:





in that case, he might just as well release it to soulseek or emule or limewire. shrug


That's it, I want to call my new cd Nail The Nozzle!

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Reply #12 posted 06/30/07 8:26pm

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so wait- he still has a deal w/ Columbia right? just not the London leg of it?
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Reply #13 posted 07/01/07 2:56am

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tznekbsbfrvr said:

so wait- he still has a deal w/ Columbia right? just not the London leg of it?




correct.
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Reply #14 posted 07/01/07 3:06am

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emesem said:

CandaceS said:



lol It's only a danger to the already-dying record industry!! Oh dear, gawd forbid artists don't have to pay a record company to market their record!!

This is so much fun, what a great move by Prince. I can't wait to see what follows on from all this!! thumbs up!



This sort of strategy is fine if you are an established artist with a devoted following but new acts need someone to front the $$$. Sure the current incarnation of the music biz is in terrible shape but there will always be a need for upfront cash. Pepsi, Verizon, your local newspaper are not going to pay a new artist no one has ever hear of money just because. The labels serve a function that cant really be replaced. Perhaps other players will emerge (Apple, Microsoft etc) but the deal will be basically the same: I give you money up front, help market you and you give me a cut of your sales. ITs not rocket science.

One of the main things that went wrong in the music biz was that the big artists demanded more and more upfront (and they had every right to do so) but this has destroyed the ability for these companies to help develop new acts.

Prince and other will have you believe that they dont get paid enough but in reality its the Princes, Madonna, Dave Mathews etc...are the only ones who get paid anymore. Labels dont make money and new artist get more and more screwed.



There's truth in this. nod But I still think Prince should have every right to get his music out however he wishes.
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Reply #15 posted 07/01/07 3:12am

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Raze said:

$1 million?



wow. that backfired. he would've made more than $1 mil on the number that would have been sold through retail.


Personally I would have preferred to walk into a record store and buy my new Prince CD with proper packaging instead of a cheap cardboard sleeve inserted into "The Nazi on Sunday" but me aside...

actually I don't think Prince would have made more money from the UK market from the sales of the CD for these reasons:

1. Hardcore fans cannot account for more than 40-50k sales in the UK
2. Casual fans know they are getting it free with the concert ticket so they will wait for then

So even if Prince was making £5 per CD (which I doubt) then that would only earn him £250,000 without the chance of a casual listener picking it up. At least there is a chance some people will be curious and play the free CD and MAYBE then think about looking at some of his back catalogue?
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Reply #16 posted 07/01/07 3:14am

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jaypotton said:

Raze said:

$1 million?



wow. that backfired. he would've made more than $1 mil on the number that would have been sold through retail.


Personally I would have preferred to walk into a record store and buy my new Prince CD with proper packaging instead of a cheap cardboard sleeve inserted into "The Nazi on Sunday" but me aside...

actually I don't think Prince would have made more money from the UK market from the sales of the CD for these reasons:

1. Hardcore fans cannot account for more than 40-50k sales in the UK
2. Casual fans know they are getting it free with the concert ticket so they will wait for then

So even if Prince was making £5 per CD (which I doubt) then that would only earn him £250,000 without the chance of a casual listener picking it up. At least there is a chance some people will be curious and play the free CD and MAYBE then think about looking at some of his back catalogue?




but wait, he doesn't want them to look at his back catalog, remember? evil empire Warner Bros. owns it, so you shouldn't buy it! he doesn't get paid (according to him and his really stupid, self-serving-but-really-foot-shooting logic).
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Reply #17 posted 07/01/07 3:17am

BoySimon

I cannot believe that Prince has become so 'safe' as to be deemed appropriate for the Mail on Sunday/Daily Mail readership. This is disgraceful. It would make Tipper smile from ear to ear.

Forget the money, forget the 'innovation' in getting music to the fans; look at the medium. Prince associated with a right wing, nasty tabloid.
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Reply #18 posted 07/01/07 5:33am

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Reply #19 posted 07/01/07 6:50am

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BoySimon said:

I cannot believe that Prince has become so 'safe' as to be deemed appropriate for the Mail on Sunday/Daily Mail readership. This is disgraceful. It would make Tipper smile from ear to ear.

Forget the money, forget the 'innovation' in getting music to the fans; look at the medium. Prince associated with a right wing, nasty tabloid.



To be fair, do you think prince knows anything about the politics of a British news paper..? I doubt it.

He's made the decsion on who offered the most money i'm sure.

Why coulnd't it have been 'The Observer'..!?

The daily hate is horrendous paper i agree, and i never envisioned a time when i would end up buying it, but it appears that time has come.. neutral
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Reply #20 posted 07/01/07 7:24am

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Raze said:

$1 million?



wow. that backfired. he would've made more than $1 mil on the number that would have been sold through retail.


In the UK? When hundreds of thousands of free copies are being given away at the concerts and free downloads are easily obtained??

I severely doubt he'd have made much on it at all. 3121 got good reviews over here, with Q mag (I think) having Fury as one of the top 10 songs to look out for, and it never sold that well in the UK.

I reckon he's made more personally from this than he would have through normal channels, and has made a massive statement as well about the music industry and how he intends to distribute his music. A risk, but nowhere near as big as some are making it out to be over here.
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Reply #21 posted 07/01/07 7:37am

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asg said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/06/30/cnprince130.xml

Paper pays £500k to give Prince's new album away

Last Updated: 2:15am BST 30/06/2007


The Mail on Sunday has paid a reported £500,000 to distribute Prince’s Planet Earth CD
The Mail has paid a reported £500,000 to distribute Prince’s Planet Earth CD

A Sunday newspaper is understood to have paid the Princely sum of $1m (£500,000) to give away the pint-sized popstar's new album, in an unprecedented move that has infuriated music retailers.

HMV chief executive Simon Fox has said it would be "absolutely nuts" for the music industry to give away new CDs through papers amid fears that other artists will follow suit.

The Mail on Sunday is hoping that its costs will be justified by increased sales when it releases the Planet Earth album before any other distributor in the world.

Newspapers have used CD and DVD cover mounts for several years but never before has an artist released a new album as a giveaway.

The music industry, which is battling fierce competition from online piracy, fears the move will further devalue its product.

Martin Talbot, editor of Music Week, said: "The danger is that it becomes a trend for artists who can get a large sum upfront with no marketing costs."

The UK arm of Sony BMG's Columbia records has withdrawn from its global deal to distribute the 10-track Planet Earth album.

Peter Wright, editor of The Mail on Sunday, said: "Prince is running a campaign to give music back to the fans and we are delighted to be involved.


Prince is no joke!!! This is brilliant! Man dude is creating enemies but wow! He essentially got 1 million for his album just from the UK. He has eliminated all the BS and gets his money up front. The record industry is really in big trouble and deals like this will really hasten their demise. P watch your back even though they have already dogged you...this move sets the table for some bigger sh#t.
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Reply #22 posted 07/01/07 8:46am

IAintTheOne

ya'll bitch when he dont put something out, and ya bitch when he does, take the CD be thankful and shut the fuck up.. simple... jeezus H christ man.. lol
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Reply #23 posted 07/01/07 9:07am

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"He has eliminated all the BS and gets his money up front. The record industry is really in big trouble and deals like this will really hasten their demise. P watch your back even though they have already dogged you...this move sets the table for some bigger sh#t."

$1 million up front is no biggy. The label system works on upfront cash so this is nothing new. Whats new is that Prince is allowing his album to be basically a ad for a newspaper. So Prince is basically pimping his album to help a right wing tabloid. Bravo

Like I said in the post above, all thats changing is where the money is comming from. Whether its Starbucks, Verison, Apple or a right wing rag, these guys are still working for the "man."

The day he fronts the costs of pressing, marketing and distributing his own music without ANY label or advertising help (permanently like he tried with NPGMC) is the day I take his "war" on the music industry seriously.
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Reply #24 posted 07/01/07 9:14am

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Yeah like Im going to read the paper
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Reply #25 posted 07/01/07 9:23am

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emesem said:


The day he fronts the costs of pressing, marketing and distributing his own music without ANY label or advertising help (permanently like he tried with NPGMC) is the day I take his "war" on the music industry seriously.
[Edited 7/1/07 9:12am]

didn't he try that at one time, and pretty much no one outside the club really bought his music? were the retail stores and record company mad at him then?
i'm still amazed at all this reaction. never thought giving a cd away for free was such a bad thing, well i guess for those who are pro-label. lol
[Edited 7/1/07 9:47am]
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Reply #26 posted 07/01/07 9:35am

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CandaceS said:




One of the main things that went wrong in the music biz was that the big artists demanded more and more upfront (and they had every right to do so) but this has destroyed the ability for these companies to help develop new acts.


Interesting. the labels are having a hard time developing new acts like who? I only ask because i thought the problem with the new acts coming out now-a-days involved other types of issues.
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Reply #27 posted 07/01/07 10:21am

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theres another thing some groups let thier fans record them live do you hear the record companies saying wo is me wheres my money?
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Reply #28 posted 07/01/07 11:11am

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didn't he try that at one time, and pretty much no one outside the club really bought his music? were the retail stores and record company mad at him then?
i'm still amazed at all this reaction. never thought giving a cd away for free was such a bad thing, well i guess for those who are pro-label. lol
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Its not a bad thing per se. What's bad is if you ordered thousands of these records and then find out that the artist gave a million of them away. I think it just pissed them off cause they already had their orders in and believe me these stores are on their last legs so every high profile release that gets canceled, hurts them.

I think with Musicology, the retailers knew upfront he was giving them away at the concerts.
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Reply #29 posted 07/01/07 12:00pm

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Its a better move, similar to his 2004 move with Musicology. First PRINCE has not exactly sold like KYLIE or Robbie Williams in the UK. I have heard that Rainbow Children and NEWS sold about 2-5,000 units together and that 3121 and Musicology sold about 15-20,000 units together. So this at least gets his new album in the hands of alot of people, and all the fuss has put his name out in the UK again. Here in the USA his deal isnt affected and he will no doubt sell at least what 3121 did maybe more.

As for stores reactions i dont really understand it, because stores dont really make anything on the producet, though it may be different in the uk with mark-ups, but here in the USA the average label charges a store between 10-13 dollars per cd, so most stores lose about a dollar per sale or so, thats why you dont really see many retailers anymore. I think the retailers should be more upset with the fact that Prince didnt use them to help with the giveaway.
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