as for prince knowing he couldnt fuck with mike, please the black media dubbed him "his royal badness" for a reason. if prince didnt think he could fuck with mike we wouldnt have the ambition of purple rain. remember thriller was still on the charts when PR came out, prince was on some takeover shit and he didnt give a shit if thriller was still hot.

I can already tell that this thread is gonna get hectic...
[b]I will say this, i had the liberty to meet rick during several recording social functions up at Electric Lady Land studios in the village../b].
And i will say this , he was one of the realest most down to earth brothers around.
The type of dude who would take you under your wing without even knowing you and look out for you...
But he also like dto party, and if you don't like to party you better leave...
so what was posted is pretty accurate...
And we allll know prince can be a whiny little bitch
so is all this really farfetched?
And rick was doing the androgynous kinky shit alot longer before prince...
So it does make you wonder...
Rick was the type of dude, who kept it real, not a liar...
if he was jealous he'd admit it... just like he said...
so let the bashing commence...

dreamshaman32 said:

Godd post and I can dig what you're saying. I've said similar shit on here in the past. BUT to Rick's credit, P DID bite off of Rick's image, show, the whole 9. And that is some bitch shit in my book. And that's P like a motherfucker to do it on the same tour as Rick. P knew that shit would look like Rick was biting off of P when it was the other way around. There was many elements about P, especially when it came to dealing with others, that left a lot to be desired. I can see why P ended up get a bodyguard, cuz I can see P getting jumped by some folks backstage. I've said on here before that P had come off like he was color struck. Came off like he was better than brothers. He couldn't front this shit off with Andre cuz Andre's family took care of P's ass when he literally could have ended up on the street. The shit he ended up doing to Andre is shameful. He has to and will answer for that. He didn't pull that shit with Dez cuz he needed Dez to help him give him confidence with his rock thing. BUT he did pull that shit with Mark. If P was soooo innovative, he wouldn't have stole from Rick like he did. Period. Was Rick a better musician than P? Hell nah. Better songwritter overall? No. But so the fuck what? Man up and come with your own shit. Stop trying to up stage others by having your bodyguard carry your sissy acting ass around the theatre. P couldn't fuck with Michael in his prime with all the guitars in the world and he knew it. P thought cuz he was light and he saw how folks responded to him being light, that he could act the way he did. That's what time THAT shit was. He's lucky that he didn't get fucked up by a few cats from Rick's band. As a band, P's band wouldn't have stood a chance against Rick's band, if they would have threw down. P would have stabbed some cats in the side with his knife and ran away. U can belive that shit. Andre probably would have fared best. Dez wasn't fighting a spider on the wall so...he would have tried to "talk" about it and shit. And Teena would have kicked every girl's ass P had ever fucked with. Jill was probably the toughest girl P had ever worked with. That's why he had problems with her.

dreamshaman32 said:

Godd post and I can dig what you're saying. I've said similar shit on here in the past. BUT to Rick's credit, P DID bite off of Rick's image, show, the whole 9. And that is some bitch shit in my book. And that's P like a motherfucker to do it on the same tour as Rick. P knew that shit would look like Rick was biting off of P when it was the other way around. There was many elements about P, especially when it came to dealing with others, that left a lot to be desired. I can see why P ended up get a bodyguard, cuz I can see P getting jumped by some folks backstage. I've said on here before that P had come off like he was color struck. Came off like he was better than brothers. He couldn't front this shit off with Andre cuz Andre's family took care of P's ass when he literally could have ended up on the street. The shit he ended up doing to Andre is shameful. He has to and will answer for that. He didn't pull that shit with Dez cuz he needed Dez to help him give him confidence with his rock thing. BUT he did pull that shit with Mark. If P was soooo innovative, he wouldn't have stole from Rick like he did. Period. Was Rick a better musician than P? Hell nah. Better songwritter overall? No. But so the fuck what? Man up and come with your own shit. Stop trying to up stage others by having your bodyguard carry your sissy acting ass around the theatre. P couldn't fuck with Michael in his prime with all the guitars in the world and he knew it. P thought cuz he was light and he saw how folks responded to him being light, that he could act the way he did. That's what time THAT shit was. He's lucky that he didn't get fucked up by a few cats from Rick's band. As a band, P's band wouldn't have stood a chance against Rick's band, if they would have threw down. P would have stabbed some cats in the side with his knife and ran away. U can belive that shit. Andre probably would have fared best. Dez wasn't fighting a spider on the wall so...he would have tried to "talk" about it and shit. And Teena would have kicked every girl's ass P had ever fucked with. Jill was probably the toughest girl P had ever worked with. That's why he had problems with her.

as for prince knowing he couldnt fuck with mike, please the black media dubbed him "his royal badness" for a reason. if prince didnt think he could fuck with mike we wouldnt have the ambition of purple rain. remember thriller was still on the charts when PR came out, prince was on some takeover shit and he didnt give a shit if thriller was still hot.

blackguitaristz said:

Man, I love prince, I'm a musician, i play 5 instruments and can play quite a few of prince's songs. But, I agree cuz for the longest time i felt prince was biting off of James. And yes for the record prince wasn't shit compared to Mike in his prime. I get sick of people saying prince was all that and mike wasn't shit.


JV'

blackguitaristz said:

Just curious, what exactly was it that Prince copied (from Rick James)? I don't really think he looked like him at all and I don't know what exactly Rick James meant with "flipping the microphone" but from what I know that Prince did, it's totally James Brown.

dreamshaman32 said:

Oh, trust me, I remember. I was there. P was on a mission to over take Michael. And to a certain degree, he did. I KNOW of cats taking from other cats. I'm a professional musician. I KNOW of the recycling that goes down in music. That shit's been going on since the beginning of time. One begat one and one begat the other. Deeper still, BEFORE Purple Rain, it was reported in Right On or Black Beat magazine in late 82 that Rick, The Stone City Band, Teena, etc., was planning a film titled "Alice In Ghettoland" which was to be a rock musical where the bands would be competting against each other and Teena was to play "Alice" of course. Now P, fittingly, beat Rick to the punch. Is that P's fault? No. But my main thing is , if you're ass is so bad, then why try to upstage? If u KNOW that you're truly harder than Mike and Rick, why try to sabatoge their show, if you're that confident? A cat that truly believed that shit wouldn't have done that. Granted, it's to P's advantage that he's a musician whereas I don't know what the fuck Michael is going to do now. I've said that very thing myself in other threads.

they all are biters, clinton thought rick was a bitch ass biter and the shit is like dominoes.Biting is a form of education in black music, if Jackie Wilson and James Brown were alive they could tell you about little micheal peepin game, so what. wanna know why the longest documentary on BET is "BEEF" ? cus we as a people always got some fuckin beef. Prince blatently ripped off ricks business model but when you look at it historically prince took care of business better. his songwriting ability was such that he could outplay rick at his own game. and the answer to The Time was who? Process and the Doo Rags?. Prince's prowess as a live performer circa 1986-1990 need not even be defended who else can give an audiance everything, guitar solo's dancing, ballads, piano interludes and great music. Micheal is an all time great dancer and singer but the brunt of his show was in his dancing which eventually father time takes from you. prince can still rock a stage and barely do a spin, longevity separates the boys from the men. As for the "fighting" projections man i'm a former boxer and boxing journalist, i get my fighting from ..fighters. i dont give a shit whether prince would have kept stone city from jacking him up. that we have to contemplate the shit is the very reason Rick had no fuckin longevity, he couldnt handle it (success) dude, prince could (and still is) and whether he was redbone or not it really dont matter after that.

calldapplwondery83 said:

U need to please go rent the dvd Rick James Superfreak Live 81 since u obviously never seen Rick in concert.

dreamshaman32 said:

Man, dig,..it ain't no schooling needed here. I've been knowing ALL that u pointed out. I've recorded guitar solos for Andre and Morris. I've known Andre since 95. Andre himself has told me shit about P's ass. I'm not going to bust on with shit Cymone has said cuz I don't need to to make my point. And the end of the day, this thread is going to end up like all the other Rick/Prince threads. It's all subjective. I've ended up on bothe artists sides, depending on what the topic was. On this topic, my point lays with Rick. For the things I've already posted.

Again

Prince and Michael Jackson never really were alike, so such a comment feels kind of wrong, IMO. If you wanted a nasty funk/rock show you went to Prince. As much as I'm a fan of MJ myself, he only ever did very choreographed, dance/sing shows.


[directed at jazzvirtuoso]
[Edited 6/26/07 2:01am]

blackguitaristz said:

That is so much truth there...
Prince was on a mission, when it came to Mike,
And i remember hearing about Alice in Ghetto land...
and that just mor evidence to pile on...

I mean we all love Prince here, we wouldnt be here if we didn't
But we're not blind to admit that the guy could a Grade A top quality Dick!
And a fake pretending to be humble when he really wasn't...
Prince's ego is tremendous...
And the Prince not acknowledging he's black does raise a brow...
especially in the 80's
in the 90's he loosened that shit up a little...

blackguitaristz said:

So Andre still hates Prince? Is that over staeling songs? Such as uptown, feel for you etc

Prince is a complete asshole yes but what about Rick? Rick has done worse things than Prince ever did

I've been waiting for my copy of the book for a couple of weeks now.

blackguitarist i respect you as a musician but i'm sure you know the biting is all part of the game. the who talked about jimi coming on after the trashed the stage and broke guitars and doing the same shit. yet, pete townsend never went so far to question jimi's balls and originality. he admitted that when jimi did it it took on a different tone ( sacrificial vs. the destruction of the who) and context. would alice in ghettoland ( i remember that also) have been like purple rain?, probably not.Had rick stayed on his game he would have got a movie anyway see what i'm sayin. this sense of "not enoughness" is in our culture, like if you do it too then we got a problem. in their culture they consider abundance, theres enough for all of us. Rick in later years taled like Prince confiscated all the bass guitars in the world or made it impossible for him to do what he does. That's an admission of defeat, prince spanked that ass and he's making excuses for why he faded into obscurity. he called prince a female when he was wearing make-up, he made it cultural trying to gain sympathy by uncovering our issues with skin tone, he called the man a sell out when prince was booed off stage by racist Rolling Stones fans. Rick played every trick in the book but writing consistent, competitive hits to make his case.

icke4presidant said:

I've never said that Dre hates P cuz he doesn't. Believe it or not, they're fairly close. All things considering.

EmbattledWarrior said:

Yep, I remember reading a interview in Rolling stone magazine I think. And prince said something to the effect that he didn't think that having a little black blood in you didn't actually make you black. I knew right then that he had some serious issues.



JV'

that's my point, rick should have never even been on the slide, he should have never been in that position of having to wear ruffles cus the man had his own funk. he still wrote shit that was unique from anything prince was doing but his choices got in the way, he rationalized it away by blaming our reaction (or white folks reaction) to prince. Andre was never a lead guy, he and jesse took the bait and tried to be leads when he could recruited a bad ass lead and put his name on the bill. An All star band of prince cast offs would kick his ass but all of them wanted to be prince.

that's my point, rick should have never even been on the slide, he should have never been in that position of having to wear ruffles cus the man had his own funk. he still wrote shit that was unique from anything prince was doing but his choices got in the way, he rationalized it away by blaming our reaction (or white folks reaction) to prince. Andre was never a lead guy, he and jesse took the bait and tried to be leads when he could recruited a bad ass lead and put his name on the bill. An All star band of prince cast offs would kick his ass but all of them wanted to be prince.

dreamshaman32 said:

Yeah. Well, in Andre's defense, he wanted to do what P was doing from the get. He always saw himself as a solo artist. Even when he first joined in P's band. That was a mistake, to a degree. Jesse on the other hand, yeah...he definately patterened himself after P. Although that's how it seemed. To let Morris tell it, Jesse already had the image down The color pink, too. Which I saw myself when I saw them open for P on the 1999 tour. The pink amps, etc. But that's the only way Jesse could have hung with P was on the guitar. When he buried that shit low in the mix, I knew he was in trouble. He should have came out the gate hard as hell on guitar since P had opened some doors with Let's Go Crazy. Jesse should have went rock right away while P was fucking with that shit on UTCM.

calldapplwondery83 said:

Uh, I don't know who's posts you've been reading, but where did I state that Mike and P were alike? I've been talking about P biting off of Rick. Not Michael. It's already been established that P has more longetivity as a live performer than Michael. And for the record, u can put that "I don't dig it" face at the end of every thread and post that I make for as long as I'm on here, player. Matter of fact, do it for a brother. Cool?