Fellas, if you say that C&D is better than DM, then I suspect you prefer albums like Rave, Come or Emancipation over 1999, Parade or Lovesexy...

Hell to the naw! There's no comparison at all. "Dirty Mind" is better by a million miles.

jtfolden said:

That's cool. Like I said, I have no problem with someone preferring it, and in some ways it is better than Dirty Mind.

Still, Dirty Mind isn't only "great" I think it's a very fun album, and I like it from beginning to end.

There is so much more depth in Chaos & Disorder. Of course,neither albums are my favorites, but I see it this way: if I were on a deserted island and was given a cd player and had to choose between the two cds, I would pick Chaos and disorder without thinking twice.

JoeTyler said:

You know, comparing '90s prince to early 80's prince is like comparing peaches with mangoes. Besides, I spent a lot more time listening to 1999 then I did any of the other albums you mentioned and i still prefer C&D over Dirty Mind.

DIRTY MIND ALL THE WAY BABY !!ITS SO RAW & DIRTY!

As much as I dig the rawness of C&D, you just can't f*** with Dirty Mind. You can't. Sorry.

you tryna be a smart ass?

TheSchrank said:

I agree!! What kind of question is that...C&D vs Dirty mind? No comparision! Dirty Mind was the "hungry"Prince trying to make a name for himself. C&D was a dissatisfied Prince just putting anything out as to get released from his Warner Bros. deal. An artist always puts his best stuff out there in the beginning of his career, with only a few exceptions...

LexNevermind said:

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. Prince may have been 'hungry' but that doesn't mean the music is inherently of a higher quality nature. The Prince of the mid 90's had talent and expertise lacking in the Prince of 1980 for example.

C&D isn't perfect. It's undoubtedly a flawed product... but DM isn't perfect, either.

jtfolden said:

DM, in my opinion, has a demo feel to it almost on purpose..the real rawness of Prince. The mid 90's Prince was more...elegant with a more genteel feeling, none of the grittiness that made Prince. That band, including Cymone, was the greatest. I mean the DC philharmonic orchestra presents a higher quality of music, but the unpredictability of DM and the early sounds of Prince is what built his fanbase..pure funk with a hint of rock. Now the "artsy fartsy" Prince is a horse of a different color, not inferior, just ..different thats all...

LexNevermind said:

Well, that makes sense - as they WERE demos. His manager convinced him to release them as the story goes... Otherwise, we may have gotten another record very similar to "Prince".

I would like to thank jfolden for being so brave and audacious and defending my honor.

like em both

jtfolden said:

Do you think C&D will be a classic in 25 yrs? How about even an essential? Maybe.But Warner Bros. themselves admit that Prince was just trying to make his quota, to add C&D to his total number of albums so he could get outta his contract. He might as well have relesed a Christmas song album and a nursery rhyme one ta boot, if he was gonna just try and make his quota..lol lol..

LexNevermind said:

I believe Prince also said that the album was just to make his quoto on npgmc.com once.


But Prince also has said disparaging things about PARADE, one of my favorite, if not my favorite, Prince album.


I'm not sure how C&D will rank among his other album, but there are allot of fans of it in the Prince community.

LexNevermind said:

I think it will be considered an essential automatically via obscurity alone. It's already starting to demand higher prices for new copies.
As far as being a classic, there are fans that already love it and proclaim it better than earlier albums like DM. The fact that people are saying it's a grower and they like it more now than they did at release tells me that it's prospects are very good 15 years from now. For people that like Prince's more rock-oriented sound it's really the last CD they've got to hold onto.



I would hardly rely on the opinion of a corporate conglomerate to judge something on artistic value. As I recall, someone from WB stated that Prince giving them Come was the equivalent of being shit upon - and yet Prince obviously loved these songs enough to base Glam Slam Ulysses and The Beautiful Experience around them at one point. I don't believe Prince was purposely handing crap to his die hard fans because he was mad at WB. I think he was just 'vocalizing' them as cast-offs to hurt WB's pocketbook and mindset. Prince has talked badly about some of his best work in the past, as well, just to further a current plan.

Plus you have to ask yourself...were these supposed cast-off contract fillers noticeably different than the music that came later? Is Rave what a 'real' Prince record sounds like?



I think he saved those for The Rainbow Children.

jtfolden said:

Actually I saw an award show once where Prince got up to accept his award from Nina Cherry, and he said up on stage "Prince? The Best? .... The Gold Experience... better."

So he's dismissed his entire Prince catalogue as inferior before. And on several occasions.

Prince is great, but I don't think he's the best person to ask about what is or is not his best work. It's sort of subjective anyways. I'm not sure how many people like C&D better than Dirty Mind, but I'm definitely one of them.
His first 3 albums just lacked interest to me--Dirty Mind only mildy had it cause of the subject matter, despite the fact some of the songs are funky.

Imago said:

Yeah I saw that Brit award show where is said gold experience is better. Prince is like that, what ever album out at that time, thats where he at in his life.

kpowers said:

Yup. That bitch said "Emancipation was the album he was born to make!"


lawd.

Good point! I'm not sure about this,so maybe this is a moot point, but what was Prince's playlist from the Superbowl? Trust me on this one...

LexNevermind said:

He was catering to a uber heterosexual white fan base that only remember those songs.

He didn't play anything off of LoveSexy or Sign Of The Times, and those are better or ate least on par, in my opinion, with Purple Rain and 1999.

Prince had to stick to what white folks remembered off the radio. Otherwise, he was sure to get beer and hotdogs thrown at him.

Imago said:

Yeah I was about to say something similar to that..did he even play ANYTHING less than 20 yrs old...

LexNevermind said:

Best of You.


And that ain't a timeless masterpiece.

Imago said:

Ok that's what I'm saying: the older music is better. Or maybe he was playing what was more popular? Now you got ME confused!

LexNevermind said:

I see.

No, what I'm saying is the older music was popular. That's why he played it.


Brilliant brilliant songs like "If I was Ur Girlfriend" or "Joy In Repition" or even really great upbeat romps like "Housequake" or "The Max" simply weren't played because the audience wouldn't have gotten them.

It was all about was had radio play. Not what was better.


He didn't play any upbeat songs from Dirty Mind either.

It was all about what got white radio airplay and what the audience was going to remember--not about what was better at the Superbowl.

Imago said:

Oh yeah, he's slighted For You, he once said that the 1999 album was created by someone who was musically in the 4th grade, claimed he wasn't fond of Parade, made a disparaging remark in an outtake to anyone who played Housequake, told a big lie about Come being OLD music, etc... it's non-ending.



I personally don't play much of anything prior to 1999 these days. I'll pick a song here or there but it's just as uneven as some people claim the 90's stuff is...

LexNevermind said:

Yeah, he was just playing what was popular and people would remember. He's not going to get up there and play Do It All Night or Joy In Repetition. If he did that wouldn't have been rain pouring down on him.

...and that's a horrible example there because that audience wouldn't consider Dirty Mind a classic, either. They remember 1999 and Purple Rain and, maybe, Kiss.

NDRU said:

Well stated. As a fan of both albums, I agree.

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