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Reply #30 posted 03/09/07 10:52am

VelvetJ

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Um, Revolution.
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Reply #31 posted 03/09/07 11:14am

Riverpoet31

Technically, when it comes to skilled musicianship, the original NPG (Tommy Barbarella, Sonny Thompson and Michael Bland) is way better then the Revolution.

But when it comes to songwriting partners, prince did benefit a lot (it becomes old..lol) from the input of Wendy and Lisa, as part of the revolution.
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Reply #32 posted 03/09/07 11:22am

Riverpoet31

Adding this: the fact that Prince did create better written / more original music in his period with the Revolution often overshadows the fact that some of the members of the revolution were, technically speaking, rather mediocre.

Who?

First of all, Brown Mark, especially live he was often stiff sounding, not very able to improvise. Sonny Thompson is way above him (just listen to Sonny's playing on some songs on the Vault album)

Next is Bobby Z: he might have helped Prince with programming / inventing those beats on the Linn, but as a live drummer (on the kit), Sheila and Michael B. are far better.

Finally, i wouldnt really consider Wendy a brilliant guitarist, i have heared Levi Seacer jr. done more impressive things, both on record and live.
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Reply #33 posted 03/09/07 11:54am

ladygirl99

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Neither. The back-up band before it officially had a name is the best:

Andre Cymone
Dr. Fink
Dez Dickerson
Bobby Z
Lisa Coleman

It was still great even when Andre Cymone left and Brown Mark came aboard.

Lisa is cool by herself and things were still fine the first year that Wendy came aboard. However, get Wendy and Lisa together and things start fucking up and getting artsy/fartsy
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[Edited 3/9/07 9:09am]

My friend said the same thing that everything was okay until Wendy came on board and also was glad that Prince fired W&L too because he felt Prince lost himself during ATWIAD and Parade era. eek .
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Reply #34 posted 03/09/07 12:32pm

vainandy

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ladygirl99 said:

vainandy said:

Neither. The back-up band before it officially had a name is the best:

Andre Cymone
Dr. Fink
Dez Dickerson
Bobby Z
Lisa Coleman

It was still great even when Andre Cymone left and Brown Mark came aboard.

Lisa is cool by herself and things were still fine the first year that Wendy came aboard. However, get Wendy and Lisa together and things start fucking up and getting artsy/fartsy
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[Edited 3/9/07 9:09am]

My friend said the same thing that everything was okay until Wendy came on board and also was glad that Prince fired W&L too because he felt Prince lost himself during ATWIAD and Parade era. eek .
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I was thrilled when he fired them. He got better afterwards but the damage was done and he was never the same again. He remained artsy/fartsy forever. lol
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Reply #35 posted 03/09/07 4:47pm

theodore

I love Wendy
and I don't care what U say hmph! talk to the hand
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Reply #36 posted 03/09/07 4:54pm

Imago

Revolution, but with John Blackwell as the drummer, and the twins on tamborine.
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Reply #37 posted 03/09/07 4:57pm

mozfonky

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prettylies said:

Well my fave Prince albums include PR, ATWIAD and Parade so i'd have to go for the Revolution.To say that no one in the Revolution can match their counterpart in NPG seems a little off the mark to me. Look at the body of work Wendy & Lisa have put together even in just the last few years with their scores for tv.

I always thought that Prince and the Revolution sounded like a real group/band. I always hear Prince and the NPG as like Elvis with his vegas dudes..a huge star with his session men backing band spending years playing pretty much in the same style.

I found the Revolution era far more interesting, challenging musically and more diverse in styles inside 3 or 4 albums than NPG has produced in it's long drawn out entireity.

Wow, didn't know I felt that strongly about it,lol. nuts

I suppose I like the Prince era of the 80's best personally so I prefer the Revolution.

That's my take on it, I mean great musicians really are a dime a dozen but musicians that have a chemistry and sound when combined are unique. Elvis made his best stuff with the early guys who couldn't play anywhere near as good as the guys he later worked with. Prince did his most creative work with the revolution even though he and his musicians became technically better as time went on. Matt Fink, Dez Dickerson, maybe Andre were all equals to anyone he messed with later. Brown Mark too, but Wendy and Lisa were less musically good, they more than made up for it in there creative approach and in Prince's use of image.
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Reply #38 posted 03/09/07 5:00pm

paisley16

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The Revolution!!

And I agree with those above who stated Matt Fink is much better than Tommy B could ever be...I just stated yesterday in that "mistakes he made thread" that I still miss Dr. Fink to this day and find the story of how Fink was dismissed, if true, very disturbing.
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Reply #39 posted 03/09/07 5:00pm

Illustrator

In a matrix-style martial arts contest,
I'd say the Revolution.

In a simple, all-out, barefisted bar-room-style brawl,
I'd say the NPG's larger-memmbership would give 'em the upper-hand.
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Reply #40 posted 03/09/07 5:03pm

Ifsixwuz9

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Sorry neither ...it's the

SOTT/Lovesexy Band

or

his band before Dez left, and even then Bobby Z is the weak link there.
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Reply #41 posted 03/09/07 5:05pm

mozfonky

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Illustrator said:

In a matrix-style martial arts contest,
I'd say the Revolution.

In a simple, all-out, barefisted bar-room-style brawl,
I'd say the NPG's larger-memmbership would give 'em the upper-hand.

The NPG were knuckleheads too, I remember reading Rosie Gaines' comments about them, they really turned me off, seemed more like yes men and oppurtunists more than real artists.
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Reply #42 posted 03/09/07 5:21pm

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mozfonky said:

Illustrator said:

In a matrix-style martial arts contest,
I'd say the Revolution.

In a simple, all-out, barefisted bar-room-style brawl,
I'd say the NPG's larger-memmbership would give 'em the upper-hand.

The NPG were knuckleheads too, I remember reading Rosie Gaines' comments about them, they really turned me off, seemed more like yes men and oppurtunists more than real artists.


That's because they worked with Prince post Purple Rain. By then he was a MEGA star. If they had hooked up with him before he became really sucessful and they knew him from way back when like most of the Revolution, they probably would have tried to put in more input. After disbanding the Revolution Prince made it perfectly clear he was the star and the boss and any band with him were his employees pleez believe it! Even today I know cats that have played with him at his celebration (when he used to have it) they were always clear that he was in TOTAL control but they didn't mind it because they were just honored to be playing with Prince.
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Reply #43 posted 03/09/07 5:33pm

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adorable2 said:

mozfonky said:


The NPG were knuckleheads too, I remember reading Rosie Gaines' comments about them, they really turned me off, seemed more like yes men and oppurtunists more than real artists.


That's because they worked with Prince post Purple Rain. By then he was a MEGA star. If they had hooked up with him before he became really sucessful and they knew him from way back when like most of the Revolution, they probably would have tried to put in more input. After disbanding the Revolution Prince made it perfectly clear he was the star and the boss and any band with him were his employees pleez believe it! Even today I know cats that have played with him at his celebration (when he used to have it) they were always clear that he was in TOTAL control but they didn't mind it because they were just honored to be playing with Prince.


i know that, i'm just saying those guys were just total sell outs, if that's what he wanted and it was, he got it. You could see it in the interviews he conducted himself with his own band, they sound scared. It's cool to have artistic control but you should also have some decent people to exercise that. It all works for him in the end though. Has little to do with the amount of records he sold, jus a personal point of contention. I didn't like the boys, it had the feel of immature locker room high school kids.
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Reply #44 posted 03/09/07 5:46pm

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mozfonky said:

adorable2 said:



That's because they worked with Prince post Purple Rain. By then he was a MEGA star. If they had hooked up with him before he became really sucessful and they knew him from way back when like most of the Revolution, they probably would have tried to put in more input. After disbanding the Revolution Prince made it perfectly clear he was the star and the boss and any band with him were his employees pleez believe it! Even today I know cats that have played with him at his celebration (when he used to have it) they were always clear that he was in TOTAL control but they didn't mind it because they were just honored to be playing with Prince.


i know that, i'm just saying those guys were just total sell outs, if that's what he wanted and it was, he got it. You could see it in the interviews he conducted himself with his own band, they sound scared. It's cool to have artistic control but you should also have some decent people to exercise that. It all works for him in the end though. Has little to do with the amount of records he sold, jus a personal point of contention. I didn't like the boys, it had the feel of immature locker room high school kids.

No I didn't mean to make you think that was an excuse for their behavior, but when comparing the Revolution to post PR bands, u have to put it in a proper perspective. Post PR there were many musicians standing in line to "sell out" to Prince. Where as before he had more personal dealings with his band and they had all arrived at the success of PR together.
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Reply #45 posted 03/27/07 2:28pm

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To put an end to this debate, I'll quote my hero when he and his might Revolution played at the Cobo Arena in Detroit on his birthday in 1986:

"I DON'T CARE WHAT Y'ALL SAY, I GOT THE BADDEST BAND IN THE UNIVERSE!"



He never said that about the NPG now did he? wink
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Reply #46 posted 03/27/07 2:39pm

sitruk7

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There was NOT a single person in the Revolution who could touch their counterpart in the NPG. Not one excluding the one constant which was Prince himself.

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Reply #47 posted 03/27/07 2:40pm

pasquerto

le RE VO LU TION!!!!
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Reply #48 posted 03/27/07 3:01pm

Haystack

Neither, I prefer Prince when he's a one-man-band.
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Reply #49 posted 03/27/07 3:01pm

Rinluv

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The Revolution
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #50 posted 03/27/07 3:09pm

chakah

the revolution
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Reply #51 posted 03/27/07 4:58pm

babynoz

sitruk7 said:

Graycap23 said:

There was NOT a single person in the Revolution who could touch their counterpart in the NPG. Not one excluding the one constant which was Prince himself.

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Agree 100 percent...especially Michael B and Sonny T.

The NPG gets my vote.
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Reply #52 posted 03/27/07 5:00pm

DreamyPopRoyal
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Definitely The Revolution.

no questions asked.
had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone
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Reply #53 posted 03/27/07 5:28pm

Jakeasaurus

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Whatever band includes Maceo Parker, John Blackwell, Renato Neto, and Sheila E.

The 3121 band?
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Reply #54 posted 03/27/07 5:34pm

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the lovesexy/sign of the times band, actually.

but between the revolution and the (original) npg i'd take the revolution every time. the revolution had personalities and were interesting, the npg were basically just session musicians
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Reply #55 posted 03/27/07 5:43pm

SaraWright10

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This is truly a hard decision.
And when it comes down too it,
he made good music with BOTH bands.

that's all i can say about it, i cannot decide.
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Reply #56 posted 03/27/07 5:58pm

wlcm2thdwn

wow!
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Reply #57 posted 03/27/07 7:23pm

mellow1

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cool REVOLUTION music
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Reply #58 posted 03/27/07 10:57pm

purplesweat

Revolution easily. I'd also like to see a completely new band, like a modern Revolution or something.
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Reply #59 posted 03/28/07 3:24pm

HotPaisleyGirl

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Revolution
lol
oh mama I wish I could resist ...
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