noimageatall said:

If Prince is restricted, it's of his his own choosing and his own understanding of his spirituality/religion.

Moreover, restrictions can often bring out the best in an artist.

ElCapitan said:

Once you are a JW, THEY choose for you. But, anyway...like I said..who am I? I'll just wait with bated breath until he gets back to his true sprituality..not this fake one. I'll always be a fan, though. He's in my blood.

noimageatall said:

With the last sentence of your post, you don't have to be in a "specific faith" for something like that to happen. It's an unfortunate and terrible situation that happens in all societies, not a "JW" thing. It's "society's problem..could be your neighbor next door or someone in your family.

While attending FAMU in the 90s, I did research for a report on "child abuse" and one of the surprising findings of family members doing the most "child molestation" in families were Uncles", yes, believe it or not that is what I found in my research, but you can't put a stigma on "Uncles" in everyone's families can we? Just trying to let you know that it could be anyone, even close family members and friends.

Also, that was the findings in the mid 90s, I'm sure hat has changed since I've done that report. For the past couple of years, I've been hearing reports that now it's happening among young children against other children, which is obvious it happened to them from a family member or close friend of the family.
Anyway, not to get off topic but just letting you know that a child molester could be anywhere, whether they are part of a religious organization or not. Some like to close their eyes that this type of situation is not happening when it is. It's a societal problem that we need to deal with, not just something that may be happening in all religious organizations. Whether religious organizations want to believe it or not, they are still part of this society and have to deal with the same societal issues as those outside their organizations.
[Edited 2/22/07 12:03pm]

Personally I think we just jacked Bewdy's thread....hey bewdy you still around?

2elijah said:

Of course I know that molestation happens in all religions, all segments of society. I'm sorry I didn't clarify. My point was that JW leadership has covered it up and allowed child molestors to still go door to door preaching, even after they knew what was going on. There have been many lawsuits because of this "rule" of keeping it within the society. And the ones who "tell" are shunned if they go to the police. I have personal experience with this issue.

Anyway..maybe this will be best discussed on a different thread. I have to go to work now. I'll be reading tonight, though....

Abrazo said:

In this particular case, I can see where the poster is coming from. I think we all go through a period where Prince frustrates the hell out of us.

Well I've just listend to the new track 'guitar', and I got to say for me, thats it. I've been a fan for a long time, and I'll always love some of the older favourites, but I just can't digest the new stuff prince is putting out. I find it really unmusical, very unoriginal and just generally a bit crap. (a total contrast to what I used to think about the music he wrote.)

If he's ever in town again I might go and see him for the live shows, but even the last few live performaces for me have been a bit uninspired, certainly nothing in he league of the lovesexy tours. What a shame.

Stymie said:

Oh I see too and those that dis this particular person are not exactly acting as 'family' which I find so very hypocritical, I would be pissed if I were prince too and closed that club by smashing the door in their faces - like he did lol -- too. Jerks.

Bewdy said:

Get out of our Org. then


I love his new stuff...I love all of his stuff....I Love Prince.....

babooshleeky said:

Let people have their dissenting opinions. It's cool. Where is the fun if we all agree all the time?

Blimey!! so many comments!

I think some of you guys have had some really interesting points, and there's obviously a lot of narrow minded nonsense too.

I think someone put it quite elequently, I'm gonna stop whining, delete all the nonsense he's written (since ironically he left warners for more artistic freedom), and dig out some of the old classics.

In response to someones question, about graffiti bridge, yes I think it's an excellent album despite it's critical lack of success, but then I've liked every one of prince's albums prior to that point and til about gold, then things just got very shakey and as far as I can see havn't improved.

It's not a case that one track, guitar has turned me off, for me it has been a succession of very weak material for a long period, and fine there is the odd gem but not enough to keep me interested.

I'd be interested to know how many musicians are still diggin princes studio stuff, and whether or not it is just blinkard 'fans' who are still buying the music.
[Edited 2/22/07 14:33pm]

i understand what you say.
dont listen to these retarded nut-fans who twist every crap that prince puts out. they are not fans. they are a bunch of morons. they have hard time admitting when it's bad. a bunch of "yes" people. they even like worst crap like "song of the heart" so that says it all.

they will never admit it's bad. they will always say get out of old, prince is not interested in making commercial hits, or p done it all and he's a legend doing whatever he wants to, blah blah. full of crap.

but as soon as prince comes out with a hit single if it happens, i GURANTEED you that these nut-fans will brag that shit for next 10 yrs saying how p can pump out a hit if he wants to.

prince released that single on his website b/c it's a crap and no record company will promote it. P knows it and everybody knows it.

I think I may be the last Prince fan that hasn't heard Guitar.

i understand what you say.
dont listen to these retarded nut-fans who twist every crap that prince puts out. they are not fans. they are a bunch of morons. they have hard time admitting when it's bad. a bunch of "yes" people. they even like worst crap like "song of the heart" so that says it all.

they will never admit it's bad. they will always say get out of old, prince is not interested in making commercial hits, or p done it all and he's a legend doing whatever he wants to, blah blah. full of crap.

but as soon as prince comes out with a hit single if it happens, i GURANTEED you that these nut-fans will brag that shit for next 10 yrs saying how p can pump out a hit if he wants to.

prince released that single on his website b/c it's a crap and no record company will promote it. P knows it and everybody knows it.

i understand what you say.
dont listen to these retarded nut-fans who twist every crap that prince puts out. they are not fans. they are a bunch of morons. they have hard time admitting when it's bad. a bunch of "yes" people. they even like worst crap like "song of the heart" so that says it all.

they will never admit it's bad. they will always say get out of old, prince is not interested in making commercial hits, or p done it all and he's a legend doing whatever he wants to, blah blah. full of crap.

but as soon as prince comes out with a hit single if it happens, i GURANTEED you that these nut-fans will brag that shit for next 10 yrs saying how p can pump out a hit if he wants to.

prince released that single on his website b/c it's a crap and no record company will promote it. P knows it and everybody knows it.

ratt said:

who claim to not like a Prince song in 20 years and spend the last 10-15-20 years, complaining about Prince as if he's the only musician in the world for them to listen to, instead of moving on with their lives to other musicians. Both people on opposite ends of the extreme are "morons"

[Edited 2/22/07 17:08pm]

wonder505 - isn't it cool that Prince can move someone enough to do that?

Bewdy - you still haven't named your last favourite/good Prince song. You mention Joy In Repetition, but don't pin a flag to it. Be bold. Tell us what, of Prince's oeuvre (spelling) have moved you since 1989.

BoySimon said:

if you read it little more closely, i'm MOVED by nut-fan like yourself to write more.prince making a shit album is one thing but nut fan like youself always defend his crappy albums no matter how bad they are.

wonder505 said:

just exactly who complains that prince is the only musician in the world for them to listen to? stop exagerrating prince. prince is good but he aint that great.

so stop making shit up miss.
people like me criticize his music because i purchased his music and it's a piece of crap. it's called consumer's review just like being dissapointed after watching a crappy movie. i have that right, why? because i paid for that garbage product and not happy with the result.

it's called demand and supply my friend. as long as you are happy buying his piece of crap albums without letting him know, prince will continue to supply you with a shitty albums just like he's been doing for a long time.

ratt said:

this response clearly shows that you totally missed the point of my message. You're rambling on like a bumbling miserable person and you're not making any sense. You are clearly suffering from Prince battered fan syndrome.

and yes you are acting like Prince is the only musician in the world. Why complain? A musician can either make the music you like or don't like. We've all experience buying a CD and ended up not liking it. So what do you do? Sell that shit and don't buy anymore Prince music! What is the point about bitching constantly on messageboards about a musician who does not make music you like, and then get mad because other people have different taste than you and actually like it. Just because you consider his music crap don't mean the rest of the world have to fall behind you and hate it too.

It appears to me that you have a hard time moving on and get mad at the people who stay behind. Why do you care? Prince is gonna do the music he does. His albums have not sold well so at this point that tells me that he does not care, he's going to do the music he likes and you could either buy it or don't and MOVE ON!

Don't get me wrong, you can clearly state your opinion on Prince's music being shit, but I notice you have a tendency to name call people who differ on opinion or like his current stuff and that's just plain childish.
[Edited 2/23/07 15:55pm]

Abrazo said:

This is the Org. There is no such thing.