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Thread started 09/10/02 12:40pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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Did Prince get what he deserves?

A few of my friends saw Margie Cox w/ Mambo Combo in Minnie last year and they asked about her album and she stated that Prince wouldn't let her out of her contract with him and that is why the album wasn't able to be released. If this is true (and these are very credible and reliable sources), Prince really deserved all that happened to him with Warners. How could he bitch and moan about needing to be free whilst wielding the same kind of control over someone else?
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Reply #1 posted 09/10/02 12:46pm

Anji

I'm not surprised if the story is true but what exactly did happen to Prince post Warners that makes you say he deserves what he got? As far as I can see, he now has everything the way he wants it.
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Reply #2 posted 09/10/02 12:58pm

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Anji said:

I'm not surprised if the story is true but what exactly did happen to Prince post Warners that makes you say he deserves what he got? As far as I can see, he now has everything the way he wants it.


I'm refering to the agony he went through in the 7 years from his split to WB to finally being free from the Warner/Chappelle publishing rights.
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Reply #3 posted 09/10/02 1:08pm

Natasha

Listen,Prince has it Better Now so de Deserve to Be Free from Warners? Yes,he did. He should Never had to Suffer for what he Believed in or for his Art. He is a Leader and a Wonderful Person who doesn't Brag enough about his Good Attributes. He is So UNDERAPPRECIATED it is Disgusting! He Certainly Deserves much more Respect and Admiration and Kudos then he has Received over the Years. Big Wigs should Start Opening Up their Eyes and ears and Listen to his Message of Peace and Spirituality and Stop concentrating on the IMAGE! He is all about The Music and Not about somebodies Sick Twisted Fantasy of a Playgirl,Psuedo S&M Sex God. He is a Musician! He is a Powerful and Intelligent Man. Listen to the way he Speaks! Forget the Eccentricities. Wise Up,Smell the Coffee. The Rainbow Children calls you!
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Reply #4 posted 09/10/02 1:10pm

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Natasha said:

Listen,Prince has it Better Now so de Deserve to Be Free from Warners? Yes,he did. He should Never had to Suffer for what he Believed in or for his Art. He is a Leader and a Wonderful Person who doesn't Brag enough about his Good Attributes. He is So UNDERAPPRECIATED it is Disgusting! He Certainly Deserves much more Respect and Admiration and Kudos then he has Received over the Years. Big Wigs should Start Opening Up their Eyes and ears and Listen to his Message of Peace and Spirituality and Stop concentrating on the IMAGE! He is all about The Music and Not about somebodies Sick Twisted Fantasy of a Playgirl,Psuedo S&M Sex God. He is a Musician! He is a Powerful and Intelligent Man. Listen to the way he Speaks! Forget the Eccentricities. Wise Up,Smell the Coffee. The Rainbow Children calls you!

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This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #5 posted 09/10/02 1:19pm

Tom

Yeah, but his Margie Cox songs to the best of our knowledge were basically Prince songs. He did everything except the final vocals. The work is just as much a product of him as it is her.

You would think he'd be a little more reasonable with her though considering his own problems in the past
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Reply #6 posted 09/10/02 1:59pm

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Natasha said:

Listen,Prince has it Better Now so de Deserve to Be Free from Warners? Yes,he did. He should Never had to Suffer for what he Believed in or for his Art. He is a Leader and a Wonderful Person who doesn't Brag enough about his Good Attributes. He is So UNDERAPPRECIATED it is Disgusting! He Certainly Deserves much more Respect and Admiration and Kudos then he has Received over the Years. Big Wigs should Start Opening Up their Eyes and ears and Listen to his Message of Peace and Spirituality and Stop concentrating on the IMAGE! He is all about The Music and Not about somebodies Sick Twisted Fantasy of a Playgirl,Psuedo S&M Sex God. He is a Musician! He is a Powerful and Intelligent Man. Listen to the way he Speaks! Forget the Eccentricities. Wise Up,Smell the Coffee. The Rainbow Children calls you!


Natasha, how about respecting Margie's need to move on with her life? She was unable to record other projects BECAUSE Prince would not let her out of a contract she had with him. How can you have any kind of pity for Prince in this situation? If he's all about freedom, surely he'd at least negotiate with her right?
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Reply #7 posted 09/10/02 2:00pm

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Oh Natasha...you guessed all my activities at the time my avatar picture was taken oral
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Reply #8 posted 09/10/02 2:05pm

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Tom said:

Yeah, but his Margie Cox songs to the best of our knowledge were basically Prince songs. He did everything except the final vocals. The work is just as much a product of him as it is her.

You would think he'd be a little more reasonable with her though considering his own problems in the past



I understand him not letting her release those songs. Kind of. I think he's a dick for it. But not releasing her from her contract? Once more with feeling... Prince is a hypocrite.
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Reply #9 posted 09/10/02 2:19pm

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Why are you assuming this story is true without any verification?
The National Enquirer uses "reliable sources" all the time. Doesn't mean their stories are always true.
If it is true? Hey, supa, why not find out if it is DEFINITELY true before you label Prince a hypocrite and post idiotic questions like "did Prince get what he deserves"?
And people accuse me of having a bias against MJ. Some of the anti-Prince bias on this site is out of this world. sigh
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Reply #10 posted 09/10/02 2:29pm

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shygirl said:

Why are you assuming this story is true without any verification?
The National Enquirer uses "reliable sources" all the time. Doesn't mean their stories are always true.
If it is true? Hey, supa, why not find out if it is DEFINITELY true before you label Prince a hypocrite and post idiotic questions like "did Prince get what he deserves"?
And people accuse me of having a bias against MJ. Some of the anti-Prince bias on this site is out of this world. sigh



There are 2 verifiable sources to this story. One is Prince. The other is Margie. I think asking Margie about it is pretty damn close to getting an accurate account. Don't you?
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Reply #11 posted 09/10/02 2:45pm

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Aaron said:

shygirl said:

Why are you assuming this story is true without any verification?
The National Enquirer uses "reliable sources" all the time. Doesn't mean their stories are always true.
If it is true? Hey, supa, why not find out if it is DEFINITELY true before you label Prince a hypocrite and post idiotic questions like "did Prince get what he deserves"?
And people accuse me of having a bias against MJ. Some of the anti-Prince bias on this site is out of this world. sigh



There are 2 verifiable sources to this story. One is Prince. The other is Margie. I think asking Margie about it is pretty damn close to getting an accurate account. Don't you?


EXACTLY! These friends of mine asked her to clarify if what they heard was a rumor. Believe me, it would be one thing if I heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard... But I heard from 3 friends, none of which are liars & would have nothing to gain by making up something like this.
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Reply #12 posted 09/10/02 3:04pm

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Aaron said:

Tom said:

Yeah, but his Margie Cox songs to the best of our knowledge were basically Prince songs. He did everything except the final vocals. The work is just as much a product of him as it is her.

You would think he'd be a little more reasonable with her though considering his own problems in the past



I understand him not letting her release those songs. Kind of. I think he's a dick for it. But not releasing her from her contract? Once more with feeling... Prince is a hypocrite.


What contract? For how many albums? I wasn't there, but i'm sure she was referring to the album they made together which-if we know anything about prince projects- was essentially a prince album.
Now, we'd have to know more about the contract they signed to know if he stopped her from recording elsewhere.
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Reply #13 posted 09/10/02 3:07pm

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This is what bothers me about Prince's religious fervor. He'll take a stance against foul language, yet still engage in vindictive control freak behavior like this. Like most religious freaks, a total hypocrite. What other reason than being a control freak would he not let her out of her contract? It's one thing not to let her release songs he wrote for her but it's another to keep her from being able to work on other projects. Isn't that essentially the same thing Prince faced when fighting to be free from WB?

IF this affects her ability to work on other stuff outside her collaboration with Prince, then Prince is a gigantic hypocrite.
[This message was edited Tue Sep 10 15:14:15 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]
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Reply #14 posted 09/10/02 3:34pm

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mrchristian said:

Aaron said:

Tom said:

Yeah, but his Margie Cox songs to the best of our knowledge were basically Prince songs. He did everything except the final vocals. The work is just as much a product of him as it is her.

You would think he'd be a little more reasonable with her though considering his own problems in the past



I understand him not letting her release those songs. Kind of. I think he's a dick for it. But not releasing her from her contract? Once more with feeling... Prince is a hypocrite.


What contract? For how many albums? I wasn't there, but i'm sure she was referring to the album they made together which-if we know anything about prince projects- was essentially a prince album.
Now, we'd have to know more about the contract they signed to know if he stopped her from recording elsewhere.


I'm assuming, by the way SexyOrgan phrased it that neither the album, nor anything else outside of her work with Prince could be released because he held the reigns to her recording career.
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Reply #15 posted 09/10/02 3:38pm

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shygirl said:

Why are you assuming this story is true without any verification?
The National Enquirer uses "reliable sources" all the time. Doesn't mean their stories are always true.
If it is true? Hey, supa, why not find out if it is DEFINITELY true before you label Prince a hypocrite and post idiotic questions like "did Prince get what he deserves"?
And people accuse me of having a bias against MJ. Some of the anti-Prince bias on this site is out of this world. sigh

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Reply #16 posted 09/10/02 4:08pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This is what bothers me about Prince's religious fervor. He'll take a stance against foul language, yet still engage in vindictive control freak behavior like this. Like most religious freaks, a total hypocrite. What other reason than being a control freak would he not let her out of her contract? It's one thing not to let her release songs he wrote for her but it's another to keep her from being able to work on other projects. Isn't that essentially the same thing Prince faced when fighting to be free from WB?

IF this affects her ability to work on other stuff outside her collaboration with Prince, then Prince is a gigantic hypocrite.
[This message was edited Tue Sep 10 15:14:15 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]


and ironically, the man who disapproves of CONtracts makes each and every one of his employees sign a confidentiality contract binding them from talking about things prince.

i think there just might be a few double standards going on in the world of paisley. . .
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Reply #17 posted 09/10/02 8:45pm

Natasha

Why in the World are you Bringing Religion into a Discussion on Margie Cox and her Contract OrganGrinder? Do You yourself Practice Any Form of Religion? Why the Hating on Prince and the Vulgarity? Also,since I Do Not Know all of the Legistics on this Matter I do Not Care to Comment on Contractual Law!
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Reply #18 posted 09/10/02 9:07pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

A few of my friends saw Margie Cox w/ Mambo Combo in Minnie last year and they asked about her album and she stated that Prince wouldn't let her out of her contract with him and that is why the album wasn't able to be released. If this is true (and these are very credible and reliable sources), Prince really deserved all that happened to him with Warners. How could he bitch and moan about needing to be free whilst wielding the same kind of control over someone else?


I don't think anyone remembers that he did the same thing to Jill Jones. That's why it took her so long to release another album.

Hypocrites machinegun

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Reply #19 posted 09/10/02 9:20pm

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Natasha said:

Why in the World are you Bringing Religion into a Discussion on Margie Cox and her Contract OrganGrinder? Do You yourself Practice Any Form of Religion? Why the Hating on Prince and the Vulgarity? Also,since I Do Not Know all of the Legistics on this Matter I do Not Care to Comment on Contractual Law!


What's with All Of the Wierd capitalization On your Posts Natasha/Vagina?

It's Kind Of creepy.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #20 posted 09/10/02 10:12pm

origmnd

How COULD she release it without him?
HE wrote it...it's basically HIS ...maybe he didn't want HIS music released thru
another source.
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Reply #21 posted 09/10/02 10:17pm

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origmnd said:

How COULD she release it without him?
HE wrote it...it's basically HIS ...maybe he didn't want HIS music released thru
another source.



the original post specifically says that he wouldn't let her out of the contract she had with him, implying that she couldn't release any other material either without his permission, whether he had anything with it or not.
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Reply #22 posted 09/10/02 10:20pm

mistermaxxx

Margie Cox was held up on a standard 7 Year Contract.She wanted out&couldn't get a release.Prince IMHO tries to make up His Own Version of the Music Business in His Own World of doing things.
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Reply #23 posted 09/11/02 7:00am

DavidEye

I don't know why y'all are so surprised by this story.There are numerous other examples of Prince having problems with his proteges' for any number of reasons.Jill Jones was in the same boat until recently.A Rosie Gaines album recorded in 1993 remains unreleased in Prince's vaults.

The Margie Cox album was supposed to be released in 1995,if I'm not mistaken.She mentioned that "Standing At The Altar" would be the first single,and a video was shot.That's a kickass song,and probably would have been a smash hit.
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