Don't you just love it when people who don't know either of the parties involved think they have the skills and expertise to psychoanalyze each person and come to a solid scholarly conclusion? Sometimes it takes psychologists years to come to factual analysis based on facts of patients themselves, and the amateurs think they can do it without much if any access to the patients. It's like one personality fits THIS mold all the time.

Love the 'fams' just love em!

grandebelle and lovebird thanks for your thoughts i can't help but agree with the way that you feel. i have to admit that it has been my own shelfishness that causes me to miss Prince so much. The parties over the last few summers had been frequent enough so that i'd keep all of my weekends free just in case he would play. i'd go every chance i had and never let the cancelled or late late shows deter me from going the next time. it was a rough time when i was adjusting to a new second job when i wasn't sure about staying up all nite and then being responsible for thousands of dollars at work the next day so i missed a few jams in the name of job security. it was a very hard choice to make, to choose a good job over the love of the music and the man. but i'm no stranger to responsibility and raised five daughters before ever going to paisley park who still need my help here and there. Then an abrupt change, the news of an alleged 'marriage' to Mani. Since then it just feels like the funk at the Park stopped. There's only been one or two parties since then (not counting the celebration which was a totally different experience). Prince loves to play at the Park. i've seen him look his happiest there. as far as the mansion goes it's just my personal feeling since i'd be happy living in a hut just to talk to Prince. Mayte and Mani moved Prince away from Paisley Park to their own homelands to live a luxurious life. for me, i would have followed Prince's lead. his music is in a large part about spirituality and humanity and it's been my experience that material things can get in the way of progress in these areas. maybe i just see it differently than some but i'd rather have the man back at the Park than be living in any mansion.

mzflash said:

MZ, I love your open heartedness.

I hear you completely about the FUNK and the lack of parties at the Park since this alleged "marriage." To be honest though, I don't believe that it has anything to do with living a luxurious life. After all, Prince wasn't hurting for money or things before these women came along. So, my guess is it has more to do with the condition of the relationships rather than the luxury itself.

I totally agree that there seems to be a pattern here where Prince gets involved with these women and things change dramatically. After all, if you've found "the one" who is your compliment and makes you happy in life, getting married should only enhance your happiness, contentment and inspire you to do what you love to do. In Prince's case, his "compliment" should inspire him and give him the desire to do what he LOVES to do...WRITE AND PLAY MUSIC.

This includes wanting to get FUNKY at the Park.

It seems these relationships he gets involved in somehow interfere with what he loves to do most. At least once "marriage" comes into the picture. Could it possibly be that he's getting involved with the wrong women?

Obviously, Mayte wasn't "the one", right?

And, there's a HUGE possibility that Mani isn't either.

What should follow finding your compliment in life is inspiration and the desire to be all that you were created to be. In Prince's case, his gift is music and we all know that he loves to play. So logically, if Prince is indeed "married" to "the one," he should be MORE inspired to PLAY, not less, correct?

A rotten relationship will do nothing but rob you of your happiness, contentment and zest for life.

Things have been extremely quiet at the Park since this supposed "marriage." It will be VERY telling if the relationship ends and the music at the Park resumes. Do you agree?

All I can say is, let the MUSIC begin!
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[This message was edited Mon Sep 2 6:34:56 PDT 2002 by LadyLove]

Thanks LadyLove, and YES i agree, let's hear the FUNK!!!

i dont c how it is disrespectful,i mean isnt that y we love Prince? cos he is so exposing,he is a artist,& artists make the music that is in their heart,& thats what Prince is all about.
Its a beautiful song & i absolutely love it.

luvpeace&bwild,
Joshy

LadyLove said:

Unreal and pathetic. For anyone to think they know what's best for someone they dont know who just got married is silly. When people get married some things change for them. Anyone who does not realize that has never been married or is in denial about anything changing after their marriage. For a bunch of fans to think (but not say) that somehow Mani is in the way of anything musical that Prince WANTS to do just shows complete childish possessiveness. I notice that it's mostly or entirely some females who feel this way. My advice: get over your childish jealousy of a man's relationship, a man you only know through music and concerts, a man that is NOT required to give you your 'Friday Night Funk' whenever you want it at the expense of his own life and how he wants to live it. Prince has never stopped doing what he wants. GROW UP people.


LM

Bladerunner said:

THANK YOU, Bladerunner!!!

Mzflash & Ladylove, I'm begging you both to CHECK YOURSELVES. Both of you sound like you walk around w/ sand dollars in your pockets 24/7 - SCARY!!

Think about it: you're giving your need for music on Friday nights precedence over the man's personal life. Does that really seem logical to you? Would you like him to stay a bachelor his entire life just so you can get your fix every week? Any idea how selfish that is?

He could be single & still decide not to play every week - who would you blame then?

"these women"??? Risking your job over these parties?? Sounds like you're using Prince to fill a bigger void than he's responsible for, ladies...

PEACE to you both, hope you find it; don't hang on too tight - you'll kill the dove!





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[This message was edited Mon Sep 2 12:32:26 PDT 2002 by CalhounSq]

CalhounSq said:

MZ. . .



Bladerunner:

No need to get upset. I'm not upset at all NOR was I saying that I know what's BEST for P. I was merely speculating. That's all. This is a forum where things can be freely expressed, correct? Only God knows what's best for P and I pray that he has either found it or finds it in the future. I wish him the very best in life. Possessive of P? That was funny. ROFLAMO Hardly. I've been married for 11 years and have a life of my own. I was totally out of the "Prince scene" completely between 1990-2000. I had absolutely NO IDEA what he was doing during those years. It has only been fairly recently that I've had the time and the opportunity to sort of catch up on what he was doing through the 90's.

So, I'm hardly possessive of the man. ROFLMAO

Also, I've been to probably a total of 6 Friday night parties since the fall of 2000 and had a great time every time. It would be fun to go to more in the future, but if it doesn't happen, no harm done. P can do whatever he wants.





WOW Calhoun:

I don't understand. :OMG:

Sorry if you took what I said wrong or personally. I want you to know that I don't NEED the Friday night parties. Not in the least. ROFLMAO They were a good time for sure. But, I don't NEED them. I have a life. LOL I think it's perfectly legitimate for the fans to say that they miss the parties. They were fun.

And, I certainly don't want P to be a bachelor for the rest of his life. Who said that? LOL I was saying quite the opposite. I'm hoping that he finds "the one". That would be fabulous. I'd be happy as a clam for him.

BTW, nobody said that P had to have a party or play EVERY week for goodness sakes. That's a SERIOUS exaggeration of what people are saying they would like. LOL A party "once in a blue moon" would be great. There's only been like 2 or 3 parties this ENTIRE year and they were all in January (with the exception of the Celebration). Nobody is asking for the moon. All they're saying is they miss going to the Park NOW AND THEN. That's all. Is it a crime for fans to say that they miss seeing P & their friends at the Park, dancing and hearing him play?

Like I said, the parties were fun, but if they never happen again. . .no harm done. Life goes on.

Anyhow, sorry to have offended anyone. Ova and out.
~~~~~
[This message was edited Mon Sep 2 14:18:44 PDT 2002 by LadyLove]

I love this song. It must be very hard to be with somebody who is into his public persona, so that he has to maintain that. And I think most artists have felt the pressure from people in their lives to be a certain way; there is a sort of romance to the moody artist persona. I can see how it would be really nice to be with somebody who isn't in the business and doesn't give a damn what he does for a living, essentially.

I think it is very sweet and emotional. I agree with the earlier comment that it is not about a fantastic fantasy, it's about a real relationship, which could make it seem less romantic than some of his past love songs. I think that's the charm of it. It's very grown-up, in a good way.

You know the 'don't have to worry what goes in and out her mouth' comment? Do you remember hearing about Mayte going out and eating animals when she wasn't with Prince, and how it supposedly made him mad? Who knows if that's true, but I took that line, followed by the 'she don't like no beef' line, to mean that she shares his convictions about eating animals. I can imagine that would seem very bizzare to most people, but if that IS what he meant, I appreciate it. I'm a vegan myself, and I find it upsetting to watch the people I love participate daily in what I find to be unethical, brutal actions, and I don't think it's farfetched to think that it would be important to him for his wife/partner to be vegan.

Blah blah blah. Anyway, love the song.

Doves,
Mel!ssa

SkletonKee said:

u r scarin' me

You know ppl, having given this some more thought, (although i still dont think mani is right 4 him) maybe prince LIKES what he's doing now. maybe he needs to relax more, get away, tend to other things he loves, as WELL as this relationship. maybe he WANTS and NEEDS to be doing whatever it is he IS doing now, for himself as well as mani. if things arent going well for him & mani? maybe he wants to work on that and TRY to make it work. (although he has had 4 yrs to do so?) but if he WANTS any normal type family life at all, a well-known person like himself has to remove himself from the status quo and focus on this. it's not fair to put a "guilt trip" on him for this. his life has BEEN his music, & MAYBE he DOES want & NEED more than just THAT now. could be (as hard as it is for some of the fans to accept it), he really DOES want to be left alone to pursue things in life that may have become MORE important to HIM now? ppl blaming his relationships for taking him away--but...this is how it should be when u are a couple. all this says to ME is: IF this is the case, all i can do is respect him more for it, and IF he IS happy, thats all that matters...it's HIS life, and he owes it to HIMSELF to be doing what he wants to do, and i dont think mani is FORCING him to give up ANYTHING, although, it WOULD be nice to think prince DOES want to make HER happy too. and by doing so, he should be happy also. it takes 2 to make or break a relationship. AND it is NOT ever easy. u must work at it, ALWAYS. he needs some normalcy in his life now, it seems. thats cool. he wont give up his love of music! but that ALONE doesnt make one happy. he MAY be realizing this finally? we have 2 stop and smell the roses u know...before it's too late.

LadyLove said:

I didn't take anything personally, LadyLove. The tone of your post (and MZ's) IMO implies that P's marriages to "these women" mess up the partying for everyone else, and I think that's a selfish (and unrealistic) way to be.

P could never do another party again and we couldn't (shouldn't) blame anyone but HIM - he'd be doing what he wants to do. Does he really seem like the kind of man that would sit up in a house in Canada pouting b/c he'd rather be at Paisley? NO, he'd be at Paisley. And with Mani being a former fan, she'd probably wanna be there too.

Granted, this is easy for me to say since I'm in Cali & have never had the luxury of jamming at the Park. I might be all nutty with it if I were there, but I would never fault him for being a normal, married guy. I'd just have fill my Friday nights with something else. Get a date, rent a movie, work some overtime - not that any of that compares to hearing the man play but what are you gonna do???

No harm done, LadyLove. Glad to hear you have a grip on reality after all...

Jury's still out on MZ though...



BTW, I know people have their opinions on whether or not Mani is "right" for P, but unless you've lived with them or are close enough to have spent a great deal of time around them (not "seeing" them @ the Celebration or analyzing pictures from a friggin' basketball game) you really have no idea if they're right for each other or not. Have your opinions all day if you want, just know that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Why can't people just wish them well & mosey? P is a grown-ass man, y'all...

Wolf said:

===It does seem like theres alot of analyzing princes personal relationships on this site--(i, myself do it), however i didnt witness a SOLID scholarly CONCLUSION of ANY kind. i make sure that when i give an opinion, it is xactly that! i NEVER suggest that what i am writing is SOLID fact or anything else! it is speculation, and opinion. one DEFINATELY needs personal access to people themselves to form ANY type of analysis of them, and ur right, this CAN take years at that. funny, how discussion of a prince song can lead to all this? but thats all it is. just discussion. thats how it should be, and thats how it is...

SkletonKee said:

(Snippety snip - naughty insult removed - Ian)

CalhounSq said:



All nutty with it??? ROFLMAO

That was funny Calhoun. I think if peeps are "nutty" with it they prolly need help.

Nothing compares to a Friday night gig?

I dunno Calhoun. I can think of an activity that I enjoy A WHOLE LOT that compares.

Grip on reality?

That's for God to determine. None of us are qualified to say who does and doesn't have a grip since people's perspectives can be seriously skewed. That goes for both how we ourselves perceive and how we in turn are perceived.

Ultimately, it's the TRUTH that counts. If in fact one's perception lines up with TRUTH, then that person is blessed and "has a grip."

Huggles.
[This message was edited Mon Sep 2 16:36:23 PDT 2002 by LadyLove]

LadyLove said:

Seems to me this in the most accurate statement made so far. if you reread my posts and then some of the others you'll see that my point is being missed. i already admitted that i knew i was being selfish. But i never said i risked my job, point being i gave up the friday jams for awhile so that i wouldn't jepordize my job. When i felt comfortable going back plus working the next day it was just about over, soon Mani had 'married' Prince. i was talking about my 'feelings' and how happy Prince used to seem to be when playing at the Park. And since the marriage the music has seemed to stop. if you need a jury to decide what your take on things is that's fine with me. But IMHO i feel lucky to have been in the man's musical presence many times and it was always better than any movie, date or any number of things i could have been doing. One of the reasons i was able to see him so many times was because i was ready to go when he would send out those last minute notices. The music, especially live and in person was exceptional everytime. if i chose to use my energy, time and money to enjoy it why does it bother anyone? All i am saying is that i love and miss the FUNK and if that's a crime then shoot me.

hey there MZFLASH i hear what you're saying
and i agree the late night parties seem to happen a lot more when prince is single.

i miss them too

MZ. . .I just noticed in your profile that it's your birthday 2morrow (9/3).

I want to wish you a very happy birthday!

I understand how frustrating it can be at times to be misunderstood around here.

But, don't lose heart, K? Some of us "get" what you're saying.

Btw, I'm in total agreement with you in your last post that P used to seem so happy when he played at the Park.

Thank you for being so open and sincere.

LadyLove said:

I wasn't upset.

mzflash said:

Like I said, PEACE ladies...

BTW, what would it take for you to believe he's "married"?? Just curious...

XxAxX said:

obviously he's made some poor choices and finally made a better one now.

lovebird said:

If you meet him in person ask him, believe me a man will do for his love regardless, if he truly loves her. The brainwashing part is NOT what that man is going through right now so let's not even go there. His spirtual needs are being fulfilled and he is in love. Perhaps he wants to spend more time with his wife and on his private life than working so much. His fans should support him in at least that. Believe me he is not going to give up his career anytime soon, he doesn't have to.

SkletonKee said:

That was my comment. And I don't have "a take" on the lyrics. They are a not an issue to me; just as when people said "Mother/sister/lover/wife" was disrespectful when Emancipation came out. He obviously loves this girl, just as he, at one time, loved Mayte. And, as Supernova pointed out, if that's what he feels why would it be disrespectful.

Just wondering. What's your sign?
Is it water or fire,
Because you seem sensitive to wonder that.
All he means is "This woman"
We all compare our realtionships. If we didn't
We wouldn't have expectations.
Simply "This one" Loves him for him.
He should know. It's his experience.

SkletonKee said:

Here's my 2 cents again. O.k. I think Prince Definitely felt like Chump Change with these ex's of his. Reference in Purple Rain from Billy Sparks Women Don't like You the Use You. I think he doesn't want a Money Hungry Gold Digger who He Can't Control and doesn't know what She'll say. He wants Somebody too be His Wife First,His Lady and the Mother of his Children if he wants them. I think Mayte if Anyone Brainwashed Him. Mani,although I don't know her probably just was somebody who he could Talk to,lean on be his Friend and Not be Bothering Him with a Showbiz Career. I think the Pretty Man was Indeed Hurting and you see I Natsha just wasn't there to Console him. Mani,Larry,Tina are good friends of Prince's . He's been through alot and who Knows his Demons. She meaning Mani Loved him for him and not Who She Thought Prince should be. He could be himself and not worry that she would leave him. The others made him feel Used and Insecure. He wasn't "Good Enough" for them per see? Morons they are. Prince is the Best Musician in the World. Short Men Rule the Earth. Nobody comes Close to what he Is. He is Magnificant. He is Wonderful. And I can Tell he is Worth a Woman's Time. He's Above Board and a Gentleman. I hope Mayte is Happy with Tommy Lee. I think Maybe she is and Vanity nee Denise can Never regain Her Nasty status,cause she doesn't want to,nor does she want the Spotlight. She Found God and she Wants to stay with him. The past is Over this is 2002 and it's time for everybody to Move on and live for Now.

And by the way I use the word Control loosely and meaning he wants the women to put their Faith in Him and let him be the Man and it is His Show and He Is the Star. They Just wanted Different Things.

Hmmm,I'll have to go listen to this song again.

Hmmm! I thought he wrote this song for me!

But truly whoever he loves, whenever, I wish him happiness.

abucah said:

VERY well said, abucah! I wholeheartedly agree with you, he DOES sound content in this song, but for the longest time I couldn't put my finger on what it was he sounded like but you nailed it.

im totally feeling ur sentiments...peace b wild !!!