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Reply #30 posted 08/31/02 9:21am

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The moment I heard this song I knew he was in love and it wouldn't be long before she would emerge.
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Reply #31 posted 08/31/02 1:37pm

SkletonKee

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How is that disrespectful if he feels it's true?



Appearantly because Prince is not allowed to say anything even remotely critical about anyone he's ever worked with or dated. neutral[/quote]

Of course not. Only WE are allowed to do that.

And of course those that used to work with/dated him.confused[/quote]


wow, thanks all for the responces...for the most part, people just shared their opinion...still a few *cough cough* who decided to make smarmy remarks instead of sharing their interpetation... biggrin

Supernova, good point...if he truly feels this way then I guess its not as harsh as i found it upon listening..but i still gotta stick with my gut on this...its just the way he enphasises "this one"...but thats my opinion.

and as far as judging prince's personal relationships...i stay clear from that..but when you make an autobiographical song, i look at it as fair game..and i was only responding the lyrics...not his life...

and as far as prince not being allowed to be critical...(to whom ever made that comment)..he is, i wasnt denying him that right...rather i was trying to gain a better understanding of the lyrics..hence me asking if others felt the same as i, or if i was off base...whats your take on the lyrics? hhh
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Reply #32 posted 08/31/02 2:40pm

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Skletonkee said:

Supernova said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Supernova said:

SkletonKee said:

Im curious...does anyone else think that this song is disrespectful to Prince's past relationships? Its just the way he emphasize's "This time"...as if his past partners *didnt* love him for who he was...but for other reasons...

How is that disrespectful if he feels it's true?



Appearantly because Prince is not allowed to say anything even remotely critical about anyone he's ever worked with or dated. neutral


Of course not. Only WE are allowed to do that.

And of course those that used to work with/dated him.confused


wow, thanks all for the responces...for the most part, people just shared their opinion...still a few *cough cough* who decided to make smarmy remarks instead of sharing their interpetation...big grin

Supernova, good point...if he truly feels this way then I guess its not as harsh as i found it upon listening..but i still gotta stick with my gut on this...its just the way he enphasises "this one"...but thats my opinion.

and as far as judging prince's personal relationships...i stay clear from that..but when you make an autobiographical song, i look at it as fair game..and i was only responding the lyrics...not his life...

and as far as prince not being allowed to be critical...(to whom ever made that comment)..he is, i wasnt denying him that right...rather i was trying to gain a better understanding of the lyrics..hence me asking if others felt the same as i, or if i was off base...whats your take on the lyrics? hhh

I shared an opinion, it was just more concise than this one. I don't hear the supposed harshness in it just because he's saying in a nutshell that this one is THE ONE, and the others weren't. I could point to other Prince songs that could be more obviously construed as harsh by others, but SLM4M doesn't come close to any harshness if you ask me. I think the harshness is in your mind. Unless we were there firsthand to witness his past relationships on a daily basis it's futile to assume it's disrespectful. Otherwise all we know is what we get from the media, or one side of the story from people directly involved.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #33 posted 08/31/02 3:08pm

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SensualMelody said:

I do not think it is disrespectful.
I think because of where he is in his
life and his career and his lifestyle
changes, he felt that at last someone
loved him for the person whom is becoming.
Mani may be one of the only people who
did not criticize him for the controversial
choices he has made in the past few years,
because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be.heart


Yes, Exactly! I can always count on The Sensual One, to make sense of the matter...

He wasn't out to diss, his ex's. Sometimes when we get into new relationships, we can't help but to compare, how much more happier we are, when we've found true love...

Blue cool
Drink Blue Kool-aid drink
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Reply #34 posted 08/31/02 3:45pm

mzflash

For some reason i just don't get the feeling that Prince wrote this song for or about Mani. Unless or until Prince says that this song is about her, i have my doubts. Too much has been revealed about the way she made her way into his life for me to think that this is a legitimate song written about her. Anyone remember "The One?"
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Reply #35 posted 08/31/02 3:52pm

Mr7

SensualMelody said:

I do not think it is disrespectful.
I think because of where he is in his
life and his career and his lifestyle
changes, he felt that at last someone
loved him for the person whom is becoming.
Mani may be one of the only people who
did not criticize him for the controversial
choices he has made in the past few years,
because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be.heart



Enough said.

Proudly introducing SensualMelody ... The Voice of Reason!
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Reply #36 posted 08/31/02 4:29pm

mzflash

Sensualmelody said:
"because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be."
sorry, i'm just not with U on this. i really have to wonder if Prince really wanted to be the owner of a mansion in Canada to show he can be who he wants to be.
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Reply #37 posted 08/31/02 5:15pm

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Revolution said:

I find the line, "this one i can take over my momma's
house, and i don't even have to worry what goes in
and out her mouth" somewhat offensive towards his ex.
I'm sure that was pointed straight at Mayte, seeing how
she came off as, well, dim, on Oprah.

The song, as a whole, i don't find that disrespectful.


What do you mean dim on Oprah?


Oprah did an interview with Prince a few years back, and
in one section, she interviewed Mayte, with Prince next
to her. She wasn't too sure of her answers, and Prince
kept bailing her out on alot of questions.
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #38 posted 08/31/02 7:15pm

Question2002

I don't find this song disrepectful at all
maybe Mani is the right one for Prince 8)
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Reply #39 posted 08/31/02 7:20pm

lovebird

Mzflash, I agree with you 100%.

As for Mayte being dim on Oprah, just maybe she was warned
ahead of time not to say anything? Didn't she just lose a baby, maybe this was on her mind.
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Reply #40 posted 08/31/02 7:28pm

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mzflash said:

Sensualmelody said:


"because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be."
sorry, i'm just not with U on this. i really have to wonder if Prince really wanted to be the owner of a mansion in Canada to show he can be who he wants to be.


confuse Why are you trying to link the purchase of a home to this song???
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #41 posted 08/31/02 7:36pm

lovebird

Senual Melody said:
She wants him to be what he wants to be.
I think this is the other way around
She wants him to be what she wants him to be
The house in Toronto, no Friday nite jams.
and with his new found religion, there is a lot
from this that could be used and quoted to keep him
further and further away from Friday nite jams, less concerts less music. less time with the fans.

I hope I"m 100% wrong but I would bet every nickel I have
in the bank that I'm not. He has been brainwashed.
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Reply #42 posted 08/31/02 7:39pm

theC

Could be just a song or if it is from the heart i would agree with him.I don't think he could have got half the women without the fame and the money.And all the girls he was with i have never seen them with anything except rock stars so it seems they like a certain IMAGE.
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Reply #43 posted 08/31/02 8:02pm

mzflash

CalhounSq said:

mzflash said:

Sensualmelody said:


"because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be."
sorry, i'm just not with U on this. i really have to wonder if Prince really wanted to be the owner of a mansion in Canada to show he can be who he wants to be.


confuse Why are you trying to link the purchase of a home to this song???


CalhounSq i am not trying to link the purchase of the mansion in Mani's hometown to the song, i'm trying to point out that Prince seems to becoming what Mani wants him to be, not to be what "HE" wants to be. Everything that Prince has stood for in the past is contrary to material possessions and selfishness. If he is happy with Mani, why then the switch to exclusive luxury in place of Friday nite jams and relating to common fans all in the name of God?
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Reply #44 posted 09/01/02 1:49am

lovebird

Hey Mzflash,
That's excectly what I said.
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Reply #45 posted 09/01/02 2:28am

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This song is not disrespectful in any way! We don't know what went on behind closed doors in the past. I love this song, because it expresses P's love for someone who doesn't give a damn about how much money P has(Becuz she has her own!) she doesn't care about the material and artificial things, and she seems a little more intelligent than some other people! To find someone who loves you for the content of your character instead of the size of your bank account will always be better in my book exclaim As long as he is in heart and happy, who cares.
I'm back!!!!!!!
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Reply #46 posted 09/01/02 3:33am

LavenderTapest
ryTour

mayte acted like a dumb peanut n all her nterviews with prince bcause that is the way HE wanted her 2 act...

u don't c her acting like that around tommy lee!

this one loves him 4 him? who did he ever love 4 themselves? it's a 2-way street u no!
if prince ever loved anyone, eye blieve it was mayte, mani got him on the rebound.

mani brick
prince brick
revolution brick
skeltonkee brick
chooklana brick
IceNine brick
Mr7 brick
calhounsq brick

SHE LOVES ME 4 ME machinegun

sorry sq, that was 4 not no ing what a house n canada has 2 do with the She Loves Me 4 Me lyrics.

it's so obvious!

where r u ppl from? and mani didn't want him 4 his fame? duh? how many women r going out of their way 2 break up the marriages of poor elves just so they could have them?

personal assistant, my eye! machinegun

the man writes songs 4 every event n his life! he could have written that one 4 mayte way back when, and just now brought it out, like some of the rest of his aging material.
prince's music is timeless and universal...heck, he could have written that song 4 susan moonsie. he could let tommy lee cover that song, and it would STILL work...

4 crying out loud ppl, it's a prince song!

go figure!


[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 3:51:56 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]
[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 4:01:17 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]
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Reply #47 posted 09/01/02 4:53am

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actually, imo, the most disrespectful song for whichever lover he wrote it for is 'here on earth'

when he sings 'here on earth, here on earth with you, it's not so bad'

it sounds kinda like he's saying: 'i wanted chocolate ice cream but all they had was vanilla. oh well. vanilla's not so bad.'
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Reply #48 posted 09/01/02 5:52am

LadyLove

:OMG:
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Reply #49 posted 09/01/02 6:24am

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LavenderTapestryTour said:

mayte acted like a dumb peanut n all her nterviews with prince bcause that is the way HE wanted her 2 act...

u don't c her acting like that around tommy lee!

this one loves him 4 him? who did he ever love 4 themselves? it's a 2-way street u no!
if prince ever loved anyone, eye blieve it was mayte, mani got him on the rebound.

mani brick
prince brick
revolution brick
skeltonkee brick
chooklana brick
IceNine brick
Mr7 brick
calhounsq brick

SHE LOVES ME 4 ME machinegun

sorry sq, that was 4 not no ing what a house n canada has 2 do with the She Loves Me 4 Me lyrics.

it's so obvious!

where r u ppl from? and mani didn't want him 4 his fame? duh? how many women r going out of their way 2 break up the marriages of poor elves just so they could have them?

personal assistant, my eye! machinegun

the man writes songs 4 every event n his life! he could have written that one 4 mayte way back when, and just now brought it out, like some of the rest of his aging material.
prince's music is timeless and universal...heck, he could have written that song 4 susan moonsie. he could let tommy lee cover that song, and it would STILL work...

4 crying out loud ppl, it's a prince song!

go figure!


[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 3:51:56 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]
[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 4:01:17 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]


Gee...R U angry...? eek
Blue music
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Reply #50 posted 09/01/02 6:33am

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That song sucks anyway.
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Reply #51 posted 09/01/02 12:03pm

Wolf

LavenderTapestryTour said:

mayte acted like a dumb peanut n all her nterviews with prince bcause that is the way HE wanted her 2 act...

u don't c her acting like that around tommy lee!


rolleyes Yea, being with Tommy Lee is not an act of being a dumb peanut in itself.

this one loves him 4 him? who did he ever love 4 themselves?


Why don't you ask him?

it's a 2-way street u no!
if prince ever loved anyone, eye blieve it was mayte, mani got him on the rebound.

mani brick
prince brick
revolution brick
skeltonkee brick
chooklana brick
IceNine brick
Mr7 brick
calhounsq brick

SHE LOVES ME 4 ME machinegun

sorry sq, that was 4 not no ing what a house n canada has 2 do with the She Loves Me 4 Me lyrics.

it's so obvious!

where r u ppl from? and mani didn't want him 4 his fame? duh? how many women r going out of their way 2 break up the marriages of poor elves just so they could have them?

personal assistant, my eye! machinegun

the man writes songs 4 every event n his life! he could have written that one 4 mayte way back when, and just now brought it out, like some of the rest of his aging material.
prince's music is timeless and universal...heck, he could have written that song 4 susan moonsie. he could let tommy lee cover that song, and it would STILL work...

4 crying out loud ppl, it's a prince song!

go figure!


[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 3:51:56 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]
[This message was edited Sun Sep 1 4:01:17 PDT 2002 by LavenderTapestryTour]


This is obviously personal to you.
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Reply #52 posted 09/01/02 12:37pm

LadyLove

Wolf said:

LavenderTapestryTour said:

mayte acted like a dumb peanut n all her nterviews with prince bcause that is the way HE wanted her 2 act...

u don't c her acting like that around tommy lee!


rolleyes Yea, being with Tommy Lee is not an act of being a dumb peanut in itself.


BINGO!

lol . . .Roaring laughter & applause resounds from the AMEN CORNER.

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Reply #53 posted 09/01/02 1:27pm

lovebird

That song 'Here ON Earth' I thought he was singing the end
of the song for his baby? Stay Here ON Earth and it's not
so bad? Does anyone else think this?
She curses the day she met you? meaning Mayte blames prince
for what happened to the baby and than Stay Here on Earth and It's not so bad?
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Reply #54 posted 09/01/02 4:04pm

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LavenderTapestryTour said:

calhounsq brick

SHE LOVES ME 4 ME machinegun

sorry sq, that was 4 not no ing what a house n canada has 2 do with the She Loves Me 4 Me lyrics.

it's so obvious!



Sorry LTT, I happen to think it's actually possible for a woman to love Prince THE MAN despite $ & fame. I'm not saying Mani definitely does (I don't know her, I don't know her heart) but I sincerely hope she does for P's sake.

So him buying a house (IMO) has nothing to do with this song, but I can see how one would make that assumption if they think Mani is digging for gold.

I'm gonna go tend to my wound now, that brick hurt! boxed

star

Mzflash said:

i am not trying to link the purchase of the mansion in Mani's hometown to the song, i'm trying to point out that Prince seems to becoming what Mani wants him to be, not to be what "HE" wants to be. Everything that Prince has stood for in the past is contrary to material possessions and selfishness. If he is happy with Mani, why then the switch to exclusive luxury in place of Friday nite jams and relating to common fans all in the name of God?


Are you just pissed b/c there won't be a Paisley party every Friday???

All I know is if I married a man from NY, it wouldn't be strange to purchase an additional home there. My family is on the West coast, his is on the East - what's wrong w/ living in both areas? You act like he packed up & moved from Minni!

When you marry someone, is it not natural to let your lives mesh in such a way? To incorporate THEIR shit into YOUR shit?

Is it the size of the house in Canada that bugs you? You keep mentioning "mansion" & "luxury" - do you really expect P to live in a friggin' apartment? I just don't get what your problem is with it. But maybe you were pissy about his real estate purchases while married to Mayte as well, I don't know... confuse

star

Nobody's saying it straight up, but a lot of the vibe here seems to be that every woman who's been w/ P did so for the $ & fame. That's the equivalent of saying "people with $ & fame are unlovable people who will never find true love."

SAD

isn't it? sad
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #55 posted 09/01/02 4:17pm

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Oh, one more thing...

LavenderTapestryTour said:

how many women r going out of their way 2 break up the marriages of poor elves just so they could have them?


no no no!

BTW, an outsider can't break up a solid marriage. Only the husband or wife can allow that to happen...
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #56 posted 09/01/02 4:40pm

LadyLove

CalhounSq said:


When you marry someone, is it not natural to let your lives mesh in such a way? To incorporate THEIR shit into YOUR shit?


Hi CS. wave

Yes, this is VERY natural. . .IF two people are married.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether they're married or not. I just thought it needed to be stated that it's a big "IF". After it was announced locally here in Mpls. that they were supposedly "married", two weeks later there was a short statement from "Paisley reps" denying the marriage took place. It was in the local newspaper.

I just wanted to point out the fact that there's conflicting reports as to the validity of the marriage.

As you well know, there's a huge difference between "shackin' up" and "marriage."
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Reply #57 posted 09/01/02 4:51pm

Wolf

actually unless he refers to women who he isn't really married to as his "wife", he did refer to Mani as his wife at one of the soundchecks during the ONA tour. So according to Prince himself he is married. I don't think he cares if the media knows or not.
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Reply #58 posted 09/01/02 5:31pm

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SkletonKee said:

Im curious...does anyone else think that this song is disrespectful to Prince's past relationships? Its just the way he emphasize's "This time"...as if his past partners *didnt* love him for who he was...but for other reasons...


anyone hear me on this?

Hes happy & he wants us to know about it.
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Reply #59 posted 09/01/02 8:53pm

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mzflash said:

CalhounSq said:

mzflash said:

Sensualmelody said:


"because her love for him made her simply want
him to be what HE wants to be."
sorry, i'm just not with U on this. i really have to wonder if Prince really wanted to be the owner of a mansion in Canada to show he can be who he wants to be.


confuse Why are you trying to link the purchase of a home to this song???


CalhounSq i am not trying to link the purchase of the mansion in Mani's hometown to the song, i'm trying to point out that Prince seems to becoming what Mani wants him to be, not to be what "HE" wants to be. Everything that Prince has stood for in the past is contrary to material possessions and selfishness. If he is happy with Mani, why then the switch to exclusive luxury in place of Friday nite jams and relating to common fans all in the name of God?

=== Mzflash and lovebird: i agree with ur vibes! we could b wrong? but i get the feeling he's not all that happy with his present situation. whatever that may b...? i dont know how often he used to do "fri. parties" in the past, so i cant compare THAT with the fact that he hasnt had one 4 2 mo. now? also, he does and HAS recently, as we all know ,at the concerts etc. definately reached out more to his fams. u say she's keeping him from his fams and music at paisley? we dont know that. he might b recording music all the time...? cant assume he's in canada ALL the time... however, I always had the feeling that this song we r discussing was wishful thinking on prince's part...i dont feel (now, if he reads this, watch out, right? bcuz i may b all wrong?) HE'S the one doing ALL THE LOVING this time. IF the song IS about mani, it MAY b that SHE loves HIM, but most likely MORE than he does HER (sorry, just the way i sense things). i have many reasons, imho, to come 2 this conclusion (one, being that he knew her for what? 4 yrs? and i dont think he was all that happy during that time! so why all of a sudden?). the rest is really not important. but wrong or right, i dont think she's 4 him! i dont think he found that person he's looking 4 yet...i think the song was him calling out to "that" person he hasnt found? telling "her" what he wants in a woman. now y'all know us ppl get carried away all 2 often and sometimes see things in prince & his music that really is only a figment of "OUR OWN" imaginations...the way WE see it, and all too often our opinions differ, as what makes things interesting, no? so, this is just MY opinion. however, the song is not disrespectful to his others... he's just looking 4 a different type of woman now. or was. maybe "his ideal?" it aint mani ppl! i also feel she's way too young to know what he's asking, and needs. she'll get bored fairly soon. at her age, she should b experiencing all life has to offer HER, so she can decide what SHE REALLY wants. too young to handle a complicated MAN such as prince...too young to please him in the WAYS he wants & needs, imo, that is. she'll always b looking back at what she could have had/or how it could have been had she done something else (being her age) and at that time, prince will b hurting again & alone, wondering what went wrong, if he isnt already!
May the BELLS ring 4 U even when ur not in love. hug kisses
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