pald1 said:

You still don't get it

Janfriend said:

He/she's not trying to get it. paid1's just throwing out a point without giving us a clear view of why she's relevant in his/her eyes. paid1 wants us all to just accept it and bow down to Madonna in the process and THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. Just saying Madonna's more relevant and leaving it at that is not good enough.
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Janfriend said:

Sounds like a quote from an '80's B Movie

pald1 said:

Sounds like you would know

purplecam said:

If you had edited your comment even more you would have realized that my copious amounts of posts on this thread have given ample evidence of why I think she is more relevant. I'm not 'throwing a point out' as you say. I suggest you read before you write. Also, you're proclamation, 'THAT'S NOT HAPPENING,' worries me a bit - you're obviously here to listen aren't you.

Janfriend said:

Er...yes

Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. When I first read it, I thought it was meant to insult Madonna after I read that first line:

pald1:

If I was Madonna, and I read that, I would not only be pissed, but I would want to bitch-slap whoever wrote it. I'm pretty sure that Madonna believes herself to be not only a very talented musician, but also a great business woman, a fantastic dancer, a wonderful author, and a decent actress (yeah, after she won that Golden Globe for "Evita", I seriously doubt that she will ever give up on the acting thing). Personally, I don't find this "relevant" stuff to be a compliment to her at all if talent and musicianship are totally taken out of the picture. To be in the business at all, you have to have some level of talent; and since she's been around for soo long, it appears to me that she has a significant amount of it. She may have been named the highest grossing female artist tour this year, but look who she took the crown from...Britney Spears. Unfortunately, Britney has been more relevant than both Madonna and Prince this year, and she hasn't done an album or a tour in two years. She's just been poppin' out babies and flashing her crotch; yet, she's been voted the most searched for celebrity on several websites. Now, if the thread had been "Who's more relevant: Madonna or Britney?", then we would have had a more interesting comparison, because I think Britney is a total carbon copy of Madonna; making her waaay more similar to Madonna than Prince IMO. The "Prince/Madonna" relevancy comparison is a little too far fetched for many to comprehend, because they have very few similarities at the moment. Madonna likes to put herself out in front of the cameras, whereas Prince tries to hide from them...so, of course, Madonna is going to be more relevant in the public's eye, because she's seen more. Maybe, we should have this discussion after the Superbowl Haft-time show is aired.

well britney has been on top of the yahoo search list for many yrs

but all theses yrs have also had paris hilton and jessica simpson (in the top 5)

and both their albums boomed

plus britney has only had one single to reach #9 and higher and most of her success is b4 2001 when she was targetiin the preteens who r easy to sell to!!

so its not really so relevant

estelle81 said:

You poor thing, you never decoded the sentence properly. I didn't say she was talentless and lacking in musicanship. In context, it relates to Prince - to which she can't compare.
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How many songs has Madonna written for Prince? I remember he wrote a track, maybe even a few for one of her albums in the 80's.

In fact how many songs has Madonna ever written? William Orbit dragged her career out of the gutter. The word song implies something that is sung, and we all know she stinks as a singer, that's why she mimes so much.

pald1 said:

Exactly my point! How I'm interpreting what you're saying is that Madonna is more relevant than Prince because she has more publicity and is more favored by the media and the majority of the public at the moment; and, you're right, she is more relevant when you look at those factors. But, why would you waste time comparing her to Prince in the first place, is where I'm coming from?? The only thing these two have in common is that they are both artists....that's about it. They don't play the same type of music. They don't do the same type of shows. Comparing them in the first place is, well....stupid. If they don't even compare, then I don't see why it even matters which one is more relevant than the other....they don't compare. Like someone said in a earlier post, "Hondas are more relevant than Ferraris, but if you had a choice, you would pick the Ferrari." First of all, why even waste time comparing a Honda to a Ferrari? The only thing they have in common is that they are both cars...that's it. It would make more sense to compare a Honda to a car that's in it's class (i.e. a Nissan or a Mazda); and, then ask which one is more relevant. This is like comparing the Waldorf-Astoria to a Howard Johnson...yeah, they're both hotels; but, of course, the Howard Johnson is more relevant, because there is only one Waldorf and over a thousand Howard Johnsons-but you don't get the same great quality at a HoJo that you can get at the Waldorf, so it's stupid to even compare the two in the first place, let alone worry about which one is more relevant than the other. First, compare the Howard Johnson to a hotel in it's class, like a Days Inn or a Holiday Inn; and then ask which one is more relevant. Like I said in my post, if you had compared Madonna to Britney, or Kylie Minogue, or even Cher (people who play a similiar type of music; and/or who put on a similiar type of stage show), then you would have had a more realistic comparison to begin with IMO; and, then the relevance question would probably make a little more sense to everyone here. Madonna is more of an entertainer, whereas Prince is a musician first and foremost. Madonna likes being in the limelight whenever she gets the chance; Prince does it very sparingly. Madonna is a waay better business person than Prince is. Forget relevance; Prince and Madonna aren't even in the same class anymore to compare, in my personal opinion. And what's with this "decoding" stuff? Why should I have to decipher what your point is (if there is one at all). I'm one of the few people here who is actually agreeing with you that Madonna is more relevant, but the comparison of the two is still far-fetched to me..

andersongs said:

Prince co-wrote only one song with Madonna "Love Song",which appears on her 'Like A Prayer' album.They wrote the lyrics together.He also plays guitar on two other tracks: "Keep It Together" and "Act Of Contrition".

"in fact how many songs has Madonna ever written?"

Go back and look at the credits to all her albums.She has written or co-written most of her songs.I know you don't like her and that's fine,but there's no need to make up lies about her.

andersongs said:

You're funny

William Orbit dragged her career out of the gutter? Let's see...in the years before she worked with him,she had the biggest hit song of her career with "Take A Bow" and she starred in 'Evita'.Looks to me like her career was doing just fine before 'Ray Of Light'.I would even argue that the 90s were kinder to her than it was for Prince and Michael Jackson.

pald1 said:

A fact? Could you please quote your source? Well, even if you could quote your source, then it would still be opinion because like I said "relevancy" is all relative. So we have come full circle.

Actually, the truth is all relative, too. What might be true to some, isn't necessarily true for others.

I'm not disputing that Madonna has talent, but it's just that not all music fans in particular respect her talent. I guess they might respect her talent for business and self-promotion. Well actually, hasn't her Maverick label suffered a bit? Didn't it even fold? Forgive me, but I'm not too up on Madonna because she isn't relevant to me. I've heard about her adoption problems (I respect her good-deeds,but didn't a lot of other celebrities have the idea first?. That shouldn't surprise anyone because she copies music trends as well.) and ever-ending obsession with crucifixes--which even some churches are starting to dismiss as a publicity stunt.

Of course, I've read how successful she has been with this cd and her tour. But I would imagine that just means she has a lot of fans around the world who happen to electronica. Isn't electronica and Madonna's style of pop more popular than it is here? Even Janet had huge success in Japan this time around. So I just think European audiences in general appreciate that style of music a bit more. When I studied in France, years ago, electronica was even popular then. I just think that Madonna's style of pop is on the wane here in the U.S. because people are more interested in real musicians/vocalists again as well as hip-hop and rap. So I don't think Madonna is as relevant as you might want to believe--although I've heard rumors that she is going to be working with some popular urban artists for her next album. Should that surprise anyone? Maybe she'll work with Timbaland, and then she'll be the next Justin who ironically claims that he has been heavily influenced by Prince??? So indirectly, Madonna will also be heavily influenced by Prince. So I guess Prince will eventually be relevant, artistically at least, to Madge if not pop-culture-wise.

Anyway, you keep stating fiction as fact if it makes you happy. It's important to be happy. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!!!!
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Isel said:

Maverick still exists. It was hit hard by the declining music sales of this decade. Madonna and Guy sued Warner Music Group for breach of contract, and WMG countersued. It was settled out of court and Madonna walked away from Maverick with 10million in her pocket.

Catholism never leaves its survivors.

The thing about prince is he is becoming more relevenat then in the late 90s and even the mid 90s!!!


but madonna was on top o f her game back in t he 90s and so was michael jackson

so basically he is goin in positive direction while his peers r goin in th e negative direction!!

he has been doin so many high profile shows and keepin himself busy

he did SNL
american idol
now superbowl
the vegas gig
now the magazine venture
the brits was quite the performance thats no one could match



where is MJ
in ireland or middle-east
apparently working on the katrina single

where is madonna?
in malawi adopting kids for publicity
(her next album will be malawi with love)
she opened the grammys last yr but it wasnt much talked about as when he did that

Isel said:

THat was on point Isel.