2freaky4church1 said:

Well, the statement posits that Madonna is more relevant, so your answer isn't valid and out of place here. Thanks for thinking of us, tho.

can you be clear on what relevant is? is 'pop' relevant in your eyes?
she has more chart hits nowadays, but what else? nobody gives a shit about her. what exactly is relevant about her?
she can't handle living in the states bacause she suddenly don't like the attention she gets, so she moves to the uk.
she gets married to some movie twat
she acts like she's a member of the royal family or something, swanning around the country-side on horses and shit, just cos she can afford to,
and then one day, she listens to some kylie shit and decides she wants a slice of that disco pie, that seems to be selling so well, then goes all out to make some sickly pop, stooping as low as stealing ABBA songs to really appeal to the kids, if that wasn't bad enough, she's doing it half naked, for fuck sake.
please explain where the relevance is.

bonedaddy said:

i thought i was the only one who's trying to figure out where this fool is coming from with this relevance thing. this whole thread is silly.

purplecam said:

clearly, it's just to get reaction. just to wind peeps up, and i just happen to be a fool that reacts! pointless

bonedaddy said:

DUDE YOU READ MY MIND! This guy is a baiter who is trying to start stuff and I'm glad that you can see that and I hope others here can see this too. I have no problem responding to this thread but I'm going to call out these fools when they start shit like this and everyone here needs to do the same thing. Paid1 thinks we're stupid but the only one who's stupid is him. Period.

bonedaddy said:

For someone so quick to dismiss Madonna, you sure know alot about her - I mean, alot. This is what I mean by cultural rlevance. You've proved my point exactly! You can't strand the woman but you know her whole life story. She's permeated the culture to such an extent that even people who want nothing to do with her know everything there is to know - especially th personal. Your in depth (and quite uselss) list utterly proves this.

purplecam said:

Dude, go back to your fantasies about pulling Prince's jockstrap

pald1 said:

You've been sniffing Madonna nasty snatch way too long buddy. Come back to planet earth.
[Edited 12/13/06 18:08pm]

purplecam said:

wow, that didn't take you too long to think up, either! "Nasty snatch! What is this, 1987?

Sad man.

pald1 said:

Not as sad as you.

pald1 said:

like i said, explain relevance. you clearly can't define what it is you're after. and my 'in-depth' list is ALL true, having your shit plastered all over the british tabloids is not being relevant is it? so prince is only relevant when he's plastered all over the newspapers?
This topic is irrelevant, and so's your talking shit.

bonedaddy said:

Sounds to me like your obsessed with Madonna. More than even Prince! Are u in love with her? As for the relevance issue, I can't write it all out again, see earlier posts. Read before you write, how about that?
[Edited 12/14/06 9:29am]

purplecam said:

What are you, 4 years old? This isn't the school playground.

Sad boy.

pald1 said:

There is no difference between the Grammys & the Oscars.
Both are self congratulatory industry award shows.
And they are relevant because they are a reflection
of whats popular in movies & music at that time.

thedoorkeeper said:

Did Madonna release an album in 2006?
Where did she get 3 Grammy nominations from?
Seriously....

sambluedolphin said:

Sorry I don't post or venture in this forum very often because Prince zealouts are scarier than Madonna zealouts.

First. Madonna is far from manufactered. When Madonna arrived in Ny in 1979 she was homeless and had all of $35 dollars to her name. She joined the Gilroy Brothers and formed the punk/new wave band The Breakfast Club. Later she left them and got a gig with Patrick Hernadez which she later left and returned to the Gilroy Brothers and the Breakfast Club and had Stephen Bray come from Michigan to join. She later caught the eye of NY band Manager Camilla something or another who conviced Madonna to leave the Breakfast Club and started another band called the Emmys with Stephen Bray. The band later parted ways with Camilla and still performed for abit before rejoining with the Breakfast Club. The played such places as Max's Kansas City, CBGB's and the like. Madonna and Stephen worked on some dance tracks in their alone time while illegeally squatting in the Music Building. Madonna was able to meet Mark Kamminis who was the resident dj and the Danceteria and she handed him her demo tape that had Burning Up, Ain't No Big Deal, Laugh to Keep From Crying, and Everybody. She wanted him to play it that night but her refused. The next night he played Everybody and the whole club loved it. He handed it to a friend who handed it to Seymor Stein the owner of the label who signed her from his hospital bed. MTV wouldn't even play her first videos because they only wanted to play NewWave music it wasn't until the pressure of Sony over black artist and WB and their pressure to get all of their artist played that Madonna started to reign at the music channel.

2, Confessions was a complete sellout which a sellout is 95% or more of the tickets and grossed over 196million


3.Madonna has 3 albums certified diamond by RAIA that would be Like A Virgin, True Blue and the Immaculate Collection

and just a major point on the cultural impact of Madonna In 1982 and before Madonna was another name for the Blessed Virgin Mary.

1983 and beyond Madonna has been the name of the worlds best selling female artist.

also Madonna is able to not only stay relevant in popular music but also in the very fickle Dance/Club play charts were most people are a hit one day and rut the next.

bonedaddy said:

Benny and Bjorn gave her permission to use the sample. One of two acts that have ever been allowed to sample an ABBA song the other being the fugees.

Madonna has 39 number one dance hits in the US the last one being Jump and the first being Holiday. Her closest competition is Janet Jackson with 14. I don't think she just recently jumped on the Disco wave.

i hate threads like this. they make no sense whatsoever.

in my opinion, they are relevant in their own ways. they overlap as well but for the most part they have their own relevancy. Madonna with her mega selling records and her dance music (which is never really that original) and Prince with his influence on today's newcomers plus that he is a pop star who happens to be the complete package: writer, producer, artist, musician, etc etc.
they both have their share of detractions as well.

i think that is a fair observation.
[Edited 12/17/06 14:46pm]

ehuffnsd said:

Yeah...you are right on one point...Some Prince fans can be a little nuts when it comes to defending their boy....But I also believe that some Madonna fans go a little too far with their praise for the woman...Let's put it this way...Madonna's true triumph is her staying power...Much like Kiss, she will never be looked at as a serious music artist, but she will be judged as a pop culture icon...But when folks start making comments in terms of Madonna being in the same class as the midget (Prince) in terms of artistry and talent, it's hard to take such talk seriously...

Anyone that says Madonna is not a relevant artist today is smoking some good shit....But it's not as cut and dry as that...Her popularity is fueled by the fact that she is a white sex symbol (much like say Marilyn Monroe) who has become bigger than her impact on music...To put Madonna on the level musically with Prince is stretching it...A lot...But she is one of the biggest stars we will ever see...But not because of her music...
[Edited 12/17/06 15:50pm]

murph said:

Madonna is an average singer with above average dancing ability and a genius at marketing that has reached a status of fame that propels past her contributions she made in the musical world. However she has a great ear for pop music, great ability to spot talent in others, and writes simple catchy pop songs that have led to her to be the most sucessful female of the rock era.

Prince is the mozart of his generation and lacks any sense of restraint or business.

ehuffnsd said:

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This kills me.
irst. Madonna is far from manufactered. When Madonna arrived in Ny in 1979 she was homeless and had all of $35 dollars to her name."

She choose to drop out of college and move to NY. Sounds like her decision to be homeless.

Say the drama for the Maddonna message board.
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laurarichardson said:

i'm not feeling sorry for the ole girl.

She is more relevant, from a purely commercial standpoint.

She's recreated herself constantly and been smart about her image and sound. She has hired countless producers to always stay current with the sounds of the day. Her Maverick production company has also had much more success than Prince's Paisley Park production company (Alanis Morissette's debut CD sold more than all Prince side projects COMBINED). Again, all based on commercial viability.

Prince is a light years ahead of Madonna both critically and artistically. He's a true musician, but he hasn't worked within the system like Madonna has.

If the criteria for "relevance" are CD sales, concert revenue, and airplay/video play, then she's more relevant for sure.

gyro34 said:

You're confusing relevance with talent. Prince will ALWAYS be more talented and soulful. Madonna is a machine - she hires songwriters and producers to stay current. She also appears on almost every talk show and makes public appearances too, so that's her "playing the game" that Prince will not.

She's more relevant . . . but I honestly think she's on the way out. Her sex appeal is being stretched thin and she's being upstaged by all the 20-somethings now. Without the sex appeal, she'll be judged on talent and I don't think she'll survive on that. Also, notice how her shows have gotten more and more extravagant - whilst Prince's shows have gotten more and more sparse.

That's cuz he doesn't have to hide.

what happened 2 the mj x prince threads...did they get boring?

Oh yeah, and how many awards are Madonna and Michael up for this year??

Se7en said:

I meant that personally, Prince is relevant to me not the media.

Trollin, trollin,
we could have fun just trollin,
rockin, rollin, oh yeah.....

Of course she is. Lets be simplistic and truthful here.
Madonnas music sells shitloads as its great, funky, well made and relevant.
Her image sells too as she is just in your face, if she wasnt she wouldn't be Madonna, Prince is a legendary icon,but Madonna is a living legend.