SexyBeautifulOne said:

this is not a love song!!!!!

Graycap23 said:

Prince zealots are so easy to wind up

Whats the general purpose of this thread?

pald1 said:

I don't think anyone's wound up, I think folks are just a bit puzzled as to what the point of your thread was.... It's hardly breaking news that Madonna is more 'relevant' than Prince in the context you gave.

Oi.

thekidsgirl said:

Pald1 said:

I think we have the answer right there.

i have not heard any of madonnas new songs. i decided to turn off then mf radio. too much bs.

pald1 said:

Who has more people citing them as musical influences? I'm pretty sure its Prince.

Madonna is a hack. She has been able to fool people for a long time.

Prince has had far more influence on music and musicians which in turn influences culture and other things.

Does being in the paper more and having more 'controversy' and pissing people off make you more relevant? If that is true than Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are also more 'relevant'.

pald1 said:

Why would I forget about talent & musicianship? That's what's relevant to me.

And, incidentally, I haven't heard one song from Confessions.

She's more popular, I'll give her that. She may be more relevant right now. But historically I'd disagree.

She merely pushed the envelope culturally, that's why she's still popular. Prince left the envelope behind. Crossed the line far more often. That's why he lost the mainstream. That's more relevant artistically.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

3121 went gold with hardly any marketing and zero radio play.

by the way, who cares if Madonna is more "relevant"?
[Edited 12/6/06 14:29pm]

wonder505 said:

Ermm, the person who started the thread and offered it up for discussion. I do hate it when people attack the necessity of starting a thread rather than simply responding to the question within it. There are plenty of new people on here daily, some start discussions that are new to them but old or done to death for people that have been around for a longtime. If anyone feels they have nothing to add to a discusson talked about many times before, then why post? Leave it to those that ARE interested in taking part.

metalorange said:

how is my post an "attack"?!?!?!

My point is that even if Madonna is more relevant in the end, does it really matter? Some people just care about the music whether or not the industry considers them "relevant". Perhaps to some people it does matter, but to me it doesn't.

Someone could have easily responded that it does matter because of whatever.
I did not insult or say anything about the person starting this post.

Just like people write post about Prince not being in the charts and some folks who don't care about charts are going to express themselves in that manner.

But since it bothers you so much, I'll spare your feelings and will refrain from using such terms.
[Edited 12/6/06 16:03pm]

I thought you said Madonna is more REPELLENT than Prince.

well in 2006 she was because of her tour.

wonder505 said:

Ofcourse, metalorange is right.

In order to appreciate the statement, I guess one has to take one's individual self out of the equation (I know this really hurts some people). Whether YOU or I think he is relevant or whether YOU or I have heard one of Madonna's songs from her album isn't really the point. My statement is directed at us as a collective culture. It's pretty bloody obvious that Prince fans on a Prince forum are going to elect him as being more relevant. So, my attempt is to make us try to step out of that (tough for the self-obsessed Prince zealots who fantazise about marrying him), and think about the cultural collective and realize that - whatever the talent - Madonna is more relevant than Prince to the general population (and its culture).

You just can't deny this. Oh....and don't forget, it's not about YOU but US as a culture. I know it's not great news but life just isn't fair. Sorry.
[Edited 12/6/06 16:55pm]

pald1 said:

Excuse me but do you have a hard time understanding English? I think you are so caught up calling me "Prince zealots" and assuming people are Prince fanatics that you misunderstand simple English.

If you're point is that Madonna is more relevant in the collective culture, you are probably right. I don't have any problem with the fact that some artists are way more popular as a whole. My simple post of who cares is Prince is not relevant, is that most of us are aware of that, but in the end, does it really matter? What part of that don't you understand, or will you respond with more name calling.

wonder505 said:

Why are you even responding to this thread. You're not saying anything. Oh...and one more time..it's not about YOU.
[Edited 12/6/06 17:23pm]

pald1 said:

once again, if you can read, i made it clear that i understood you were looking at Madonna and the culture as a whole.

pald1 said:

All u need 2 know here is:

madonna = Manufactered Entertainer

Prince = Musician

They had madonna's concert Live on Channel 4 (English TV). THe concert was not even a sell-out and viewing figures were less than a million, poor.


Lat thing u need 2 know is, not one of madonnas albums comes close 2 the figures of Purple-Rain.

Sam 8)

pald1 said:

Yes it's true that Madonna is relevant in the pop culture aspect more than Prince but as some have said, who cares? I would love it if Prince were everywhere but you know what, he isn't and it is what it is. Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. Prince is relevant to ME. Stevie Wonder is relevant to ME. Earth Wind and Fire are relevant to ME. Do you see where I'm going with this? Just because the world may not look at these acts for their current music doesn't mean that it's not relevant for ME. I buy their music so as far as I'm concerned they are still relevent. Now I happen to like Madonna's music but it may not mean anything to the next person. It's called live and let live.

Now to paid1, I have a bone to pick with you. I see where you are going with this whole thread and you are trying to force people to see things your way (in the disguise of saying this is how the world feels) and that's not your place and it doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's like what I said earlier, relevance is in the eye of the beholder so you need to follow the advice of someone who may or may not be relevant to you, "Mind your own motherfucker, let a man be a man". These words will take you very far paid1.

pald1 said:

One reason why she got more exposure is that MTV for some reason or another gave this album a push. The video for "Hung Up" was actually in their rotation for a few weeks. Other 40-somethings like Janet Jackson can't get their videos played but Madonna can. And it not because her music is better.

ThePunisher said:

Let's not forget, Black Sweat was also in rotation of MTV for a couple of months too. Whenever MTV decided to play videos, Black Sweat would be played regularly.

pald1 said:

no!

dseann said:

damn....you've said it much better than I did.
Completely agreed.....
madonna cant sing $hit...she's a straight up an entertainer like britney spears..

wonder505 said:

Christ, go away

purplecam said:

It's not even funny how self-obsessed you are

pald1 said:

Speak for yourself.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing as the current time of Dec. 2006, to be relevant is a very very very bad thing!

It means you don't have a lot of talent. Or good at anything, for that is what relevant means in dec. 2006