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Reply #60 posted 11/28/06 12:09pm

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TheFemaleNumber6 said:

NDRU said:

I don't blame (because the songs as a whole are different) but here are a couple "lifts"

Forever in My Life--Everyday People

Wherever You Go--Wherever You Go (Richard Marx)<----prince's version is by far superior.nothing against richard marx as though i have 4 of his c.d's.

Thieves in the Temple--Say Say Say<---- shake..ain't no way in HELL that they sound similiar.you reachin' i'm sorry. falloff

What Do You Want Me To Do--Cant Help It(?) Michael Jackson (?)<---if anything, WDYWMTD shares the same musical genetics as The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker.(The LM-1 Being part of the purple dna that is.)

Lets Work--Head


if you want to talk about theives in the temple and what prince "lifted"...

the harmonica break was used in "Black MF's In The House" from the Gold Ni**a C.D. as well.
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Reply #61 posted 11/28/06 12:11pm

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Giovanni777 said:

U R all certifiably straight-jacket worthy.

A) Every musician is influenced by what they hear.
B) Even without hearing something, it's inevitable that more than 1 being would create similar music, be it harmonically, melodically, rythmically, etc.
C) There's a BIG difference between A, B, or A+B, versus "ripping something off".

Prince is A or B or both A & B, and maybe also sometimes simply giving a nod 2 a classic with respect. Jamie Starr is NOT a thief.

Peace.

G.


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Reply #62 posted 11/28/06 12:19pm

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Giovanni777 said:

Giovanni777 said:

U R all certifiably straight-jacket worthy.

A) Every musician is influenced by what they hear.
B) Even without hearing something, it's inevitable that more than 1 being would create similar music, be it harmonically, melodically, rythmically, etc.
C) There's a BIG difference between A, B, or A+B, versus "ripping something off".

Prince is A or B or both A & B, and maybe also sometimes simply giving a nod 2 a classic with respect. Jamie Starr is NOT a thief.

Peace.

G.


end of story.


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Reply #63 posted 11/28/06 12:45pm

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The first line of Insatiable always reminds me of Teddy Pendergrass' Turn Off the Lights...


Prince: Turn the lights off, strike a candle

Teddy: Turn off the lights and light a candle
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Reply #64 posted 11/28/06 1:03pm

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thieves in the temple = say say say....

hmmmmm

I thought this was crazy, but now I can see the similarities....

say say say = love come quick

love come in a hurry = ...games with my affection

but I think this is just novel coincidence.
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Reply #65 posted 11/28/06 1:18pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Giovanni777 said:



end of story.


quoting yourself for support is a clear sign some screws are loose razz


U don't know me.

U know nothing about signs.

The only loose screw is U.

Keep it shut.
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Reply #66 posted 11/28/06 1:33pm

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Giovanni777 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



quoting yourself for support is a clear sign some screws are loose razz


U don't know me.

U know nothing about signs.

The only loose screw is U.

Keep it shut.

Boo hoo loosy boo

lol
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Reply #67 posted 11/28/06 1:43pm

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NDRU said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Wherever You Go--Wherever You Go (Richard Marx)

barf That was also my first association when I heard that horrible song for the first (and the last!) time. Yuk Prince!!!


agreed, and for him to then accuse Lenny of stealing it from him is even worse. It's lyrics like that that make me wonder about Prince's sanity.

When I heard Diamonds & Pearls I figured it must be some kind of metaphor, because he couldn't be writing such cliche lyrics.



Hey now! Let me put "Where Ever You Go, What Ever You Do" in perspective. Think of "Cream". How cool did that song become after Prince told you he wrote it while looking in the mirror? How cool is it when YOU sing it while looking in the mirror?

OK, think of WEYGWEYD as being sung to a child. If you have a child, sing it to them. It will become the coolest song ever.

No, really.
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Reply #68 posted 11/28/06 2:07pm

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TheFemaleNumber6 said:

NDRU said:

I don't blame (because the songs as a whole are different) but here are a couple "lifts"

Wherever You Go--Wherever You Go (Richard Marx)<----prince's version is by far superior.nothing against richard marx as though i have 4 of his c.d's.

Thieves in the Temple--Say Say Say<---- shake..ain't no way in HELL that they sound similiar.you reachin' i'm sorry. falloff

What Do You Want Me To Do--Cant Help It(?) Michael Jackson (?)<---if anything, WDYWMTD shares the same musical genetics as The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker.(The LM-1 Being part of the purple dna that is.)

Lets Work--Head


Prince's version of Wherever You Go is superior? So you admit he lifted it? Actually I don't like either song.

Thieves in the Temple "Love come quick" = "Say, say, say"

yes, WDYWMTD is prince being prince, but the chords actually sound like the MJ or Stevie song (I forget who did it but I'm pretty sure MJ sings on it)

I'm only half serious about this stuff, don't let it bug you.
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Reply #69 posted 11/28/06 2:10pm

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NDRU said:



agreed, and for him to then accuse Lenny of stealing it from him is even worse. It's lyrics like that that make me wonder about Prince's sanity.

When I heard Diamonds & Pearls I figured it must be some kind of metaphor, because he couldn't be writing such cliche lyrics.



Hey now! Let me put "Where Ever You Go, What Ever You Do" in perspective. Think of "Cream". How cool did that song become after Prince told you he wrote it while looking in the mirror? How cool is it when YOU sing it while looking in the mirror?


hmm, am I being insulted?

OK, think of WEYGWEYD as being sung to a child. If you have a child, sing it to them. It will become the coolest song ever.


that might explain the cliche lyrics. I think of it as being sung to Mayte, but I guess it's six of one, half dozen of the other.
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Reply #70 posted 11/28/06 2:54pm

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NDRU said:

blackguitaristz said:


Very good. The Eagles "Hotel California" You can never leave". "3121" "You can never leave".


And the word "It" appears in countless other songs.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Purple Rain--Purple Haze

Taking in the context of the lyrics in 3121, he's refering to it being like a suite. And once u have entered, "You can never leave". Which is obviously what "Hotel California" is about. Hence the use of P using the phrase. Nobody else was talking about undercutting the examples given by resorting to something like "It" being in a million other song titles. And I didn't have to mention Purple Haze cuz everybody has already seen me refer to that in other threads already. That one is a given. Like P intended it to be.
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Reply #71 posted 11/28/06 3:10pm

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blackguitaristz said:

NDRU said:



And the word "It" appears in countless other songs.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Purple Rain--Purple Haze

Taking in the context of the lyrics in 3121, he's refering to it being like a suite. And once u have entered, "You can never leave". Which is obviously what "Hotel California" is about. Hence the use of P using the phrase. Nobody else was talking about undercutting the examples given by resorting to something like "It" being in a million other song titles. And I didn't have to mention Purple Haze cuz everybody has already seen me refer to that in other threads already. That one is a given. Like P intended it to be.


Actually the Eagles example isn't that bad. Though Prince's is meant in a positive way (like 3121 will change your life) and the eagles was negative (the hotel will kill you), they are similar in spirit & phrasing.

Some of your other examples, however, like "Mommy" & "don't worry" are stretching "It" (which was only a joke after all).
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Reply #72 posted 11/28/06 3:34pm

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NDRU said:

blackguitaristz said:


Taking in the context of the lyrics in 3121, he's refering to it being like a suite. And once u have entered, "You can never leave". Which is obviously what "Hotel California" is about. Hence the use of P using the phrase. Nobody else was talking about undercutting the examples given by resorting to something like "It" being in a million other song titles. And I didn't have to mention Purple Haze cuz everybody has already seen me refer to that in other threads already. That one is a given. Like P intended it to be.


Actually the Eagles example isn't that bad. Though Prince's is meant in a positive way (like 3121 will change your life) and the eagles was negative (the hotel will kill you), they are similar in spirit & phrasing.

Some of your other examples, however, like "Mommy" & "don't worry" are stretching "It" (which was only a joke after all).

To each is own, player. "mommy, why does everybody have a bomb? from "mommy, what's a Funkadelic?" and "Don't worry' If there's a hell below" to "Don't worry, I won't hurt u", to me, are waaay more blatant than the "You can never leave." But hey, that's what makes the world go round.
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Reply #73 posted 11/28/06 4:05pm

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I don't even want in on this.
Translation: "Naw man, you don't want me on the mic."

Well, just one: "Judas Smile" is a blatant ripoff of Michael Jackson's "2 Bad"
Blatant.
"Listen to the rhythm."
That's it. I'm done.

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Reply #74 posted 11/28/06 6:53pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:




WHAT!!!! THE HELL YOU SAY!! Okay we have had epic battles in the past but never before have I felt such a gut response to puke from what you have written. YOU HAVE CRITICIZED PRINCE and in my book that makes you pretty low buddy!!!

You just watch out pal!! Cause bad things happen when you talk bad about the man. Yeah bad bad things!! Like a hang nail that won't go away or you leave the house and your 10 miles away when you realize that you left your wallet back at the house and there is no way you can go clubbing without your money so you have to go all the way back to your house again to get your wallet and on your way back you run into a traffic jam so it makes you even later getting to your friends outside the club so they go ahead without you because you promised to meet them at a certain time and when you get there you can't find them and when you do they are already drunk without you so you're the bored sober friend who has been designated the designated driver since you haven't even started drinking yet.

Yeah pallie I wouldn't want to be you right now!!! wink
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Hey Chilty! wave

You're right omfg Something bad already happened to me!!! I went to see Prince in Vegas biggrin



OUCH!! lol

C'mon was it really that bad? Seriously I am curious. I haven't really heard anything so I don't really know.
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Reply #75 posted 11/28/06 7:10pm

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chiltonmusic said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Hey Chilty! wave

You're right omfg Something bad already happened to me!!! I went to see Prince in Vegas biggrin



OUCH!! lol

C'mon was it really that bad? Seriously I am curious. I haven't really heard anything so I don't really know.

giggle Of the Prince performances I have ever seen giving it a 5 out of 10 rating would be quite generous. Changing "Sexuality" to "Spirituality", well I will forgive him that crap only once just because it was a freaking blast to hear that song live. And I can't stand the "four letter words won't be heard on this stage tonight" during Joy In Repetition stfu


OH MY GOD!!!!! I googled the lyrics and this came up:

He liked 2 frequent this club down upon 36th
Pimps and thangs like 2 hang outside, cuss 4 kicks

Talking 2 no one in particular, they say - "The baddest I am 2night"
4 letter words will not be heard, not up on this stage 2night
All the poets and the part-time singers always hang inside
Live music from a band plays a song called "Soul Psychodelicide"
Y'all wait a minute, wait a minute
Live music kickin' from the band, they singin': ("Soul Psychodelicide")
I like that
The song's a year long and had been playing 4 months
When he walked into the place
No one seemed 2 care
An introverted, "This is it," look on most of their faces
Talking about U, huh
2 words falling between the drops and the moans of his condition
I wanna hear Maceo Parker play "Joy In Repetition"
U 'bout 2 hear Candy Dulfer play "Joy In Repetition"
U 'bout 2 hear, hah, Larry Graham play "Joy In Repetition"
Oh, U 'bout hear Prince play "Joy In Repetition"
Turn it up, John

Up on the mic repeatin' 2 words over and over again
Was this woman he had never noticed before
He lost himself in the articulated manner in which she said them, huh
These 2 words - little bit behind the beat
Mean just enough 2 turn U on
Every time she said the words
Another one of his doubts were gone
Should he try 2 rap 2 her?
Should he stand and stare?
(No one else was watching her)
She... (Didn't seem 2 care)
And so (over and over she said the words) she said the words
Till he could take no more
He dragged her from the stage
2gether they ran through the back door, ha
In the alley over by the curb he said - "Tell me, what's your name?"
She only said the words again, what?
And it started 2 rain (Rain, rain, rain)
2 words falling between the drops and the moans of his condition
Holding someone is truly believing, say it, there's (Joy in repetition)
Think it ain't? Say it (There's joy in repetition)
(There's joy in repetition) {x8} (Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
She said - "Love me", huh
2 words, say it now (Love me)
Hmm, whatcha say baby? Say it one more time (Love me)
Hey yeah, oh Lord (Love me)


The internet has drank the kool-aid!!! falloff
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Reply #76 posted 11/28/06 8:41pm

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Billy Jack Bitch = Back Street Boys or someobdy similar?

Controversy = Grace Jones - Pull up to the bumper
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Reply #77 posted 11/28/06 8:52pm

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Purple Rain has always reminded me of Jealous Guy by John Lennon.
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Reply #78 posted 11/28/06 9:03pm

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PurpleBilly said:

Purple Rain has always reminded me of Jealous Guy by John Lennon.

Are you serious lol
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Reply #79 posted 11/28/06 9:05pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

PurpleBilly said:

Purple Rain has always reminded me of Jealous Guy by John Lennon.

Are you serious lol


Yes. It's more to do with the words though.
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Reply #80 posted 11/29/06 12:00am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

chiltonmusic said:




OUCH!! lol

C'mon was it really that bad? Seriously I am curious. I haven't really heard anything so I don't really know.

giggle Of the Prince performances I have ever seen giving it a 5 out of 10 rating would be quite generous. Changing "Sexuality" to "Spirituality", well I will forgive him that crap only once just because it was a freaking blast to hear that song live. And I can't stand the "four letter words won't be heard on this stage tonight" during Joy In Repetition stfu


OH MY GOD!!!!! I googled the lyrics and this came up:

He liked 2 frequent this club down upon 36th
Pimps and thangs like 2 hang outside, cuss 4 kicks

Talking 2 no one in particular, they say - "The baddest I am 2night"
4 letter words will not be heard, not up on this stage 2night
All the poets and the part-time singers always hang inside
Live music from a band plays a song called "Soul Psychodelicide"
Y'all wait a minute, wait a minute
Live music kickin' from the band, they singin': ("Soul Psychodelicide")
I like that
The song's a year long and had been playing 4 months
When he walked into the place
No one seemed 2 care
An introverted, "This is it," look on most of their faces
Talking about U, huh
2 words falling between the drops and the moans of his condition
I wanna hear Maceo Parker play "Joy In Repetition"
U 'bout 2 hear Candy Dulfer play "Joy In Repetition"
U 'bout 2 hear, hah, Larry Graham play "Joy In Repetition"
Oh, U 'bout hear Prince play "Joy In Repetition"
Turn it up, John

Up on the mic repeatin' 2 words over and over again
Was this woman he had never noticed before
He lost himself in the articulated manner in which she said them, huh
These 2 words - little bit behind the beat
Mean just enough 2 turn U on
Every time she said the words
Another one of his doubts were gone
Should he try 2 rap 2 her?
Should he stand and stare?
(No one else was watching her)
She... (Didn't seem 2 care)
And so (over and over she said the words) she said the words
Till he could take no more
He dragged her from the stage
2gether they ran through the back door, ha
In the alley over by the curb he said - "Tell me, what's your name?"
She only said the words again, what?
And it started 2 rain (Rain, rain, rain)
2 words falling between the drops and the moans of his condition
Holding someone is truly believing, say it, there's (Joy in repetition)
Think it ain't? Say it (There's joy in repetition)
(There's joy in repetition) {x8} (Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
She said - "Love me", huh
2 words, say it now (Love me)
Hmm, whatcha say baby? Say it one more time (Love me)
Hey yeah, oh Lord (Love me)


The internet has drank the kool-aid!!! falloff


Interesting. You know I have great respect for religeous conversions and you know I have respect for faith. But I never have understood why an artist for any reason wants to censor their former selves.

If you ever read the auto biography of Malcom X one of the things that so refreshing about his conversion (and relateable) is the fact he doesn't hide from or try to hide his past.

Years ago my Dad (who is a minister) started writing this wonderful novel about a young black kid growing up in a working class black neighborhood. It was an awesome book! He shared it with me when I was in highschool and it was great to hear all the swearing and funny things that young men talk about. He decided he would re-write it a few years ago and started taking out all the bad language.
I said whats the point. Its where you were then not now. Your only being dishonest by doing that.

Why can't "Sexuality" be a celebration of where Prince was then. I mean how else can we truly measure the growth. Maybe some sex crazed teen needs to hear Sexuality (something they can relate too) to help them better understand the rainbow children.

Its deep but I have to admit I don't know how happy I would have been hearing that either. Its just like when I bought the Star Wars trilogy on DVD and when I get to the end of "Return of the Jedi" and they have Haden Christenson in where David Powell was next to Yoda and Obi Wan.

GEEZE was I pissed. Hey that still pisses me off because it adds nothing to the film. Anyway I love Star Wars and Prince anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

But thanks for the insight and thanks for the song lyrics.
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Reply #81 posted 11/29/06 8:32am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

kool-aid JIR lyrices here



For what it's worth those are the lyrics to the version from One Night Alone...Afterparty. I think if you pull out the GB version it'll be alright. wink
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Reply #82 posted 11/29/06 11:56am

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PurpleBilly said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Are you serious lol


Yes. It's more to do with the words though.

Yeah, I already posted that earlier on this thread; Lennon "I never meant to cause you sorrow or pain." Prince "I never meant to cause u any sorrow. I never meant to cause u any pain."
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Reply #83 posted 11/29/06 11:58am

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DevotedPuppy said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

kool-aid JIR lyrices here



For what it's worth those are the lyrics to the version from One Night Alone...Afterparty. I think if you pull out the GB version it'll be alright. wink

WHEW! biggrin
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Reply #84 posted 01/03/07 10:08pm

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how about "The Work" ripping off James Brown
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Reply #85 posted 01/03/07 10:51pm

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AsianBomb777 said:

I always thought that Girls and Boys sounded a bit like Sheena Easton's Strut. falloff

my goodness that is the geighest it gets falloff

prince strut girl hug
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Reply #86 posted 01/04/07 2:02pm

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The Beautiful Ones - Baba O' Reily The Who
‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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