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Printablebellanoche said: So after all the negative talk about the Rainbow Children, I generally avoided this album. I did a quick pass through it five years ago and that was it. After spending more time on the org and realizing that there is quite a divide between fans who dig Prince's soulful side and those who dig his rock side, as well as those who are open to his new music and those who are cemented in the past,I had to question some of the negative comments on the album. So I decided to listen to it with an open mind.
I'm still hesitating on buying that one. Prince is a relatively new obsession for me (yes, I'm a bit late), but I've made a habit of picking up a copy of everything Prince I lay my two eyes on. But... The Rainbow Children... that one I'm still not sure of. Beautiful, loved, and blessed. | |
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pennylover said: Serious said: Here's a thread about the lyrics of TRC from back in the day for those who don't remember it caused discussions: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/184507
Thank u Serious...Just finished reading the link 2 the TRC. Amazing how controversial this cd really is. Just by reading so many posts on the TRC, people (imo) are over-analyzing his words and putting way 2 much into it. Just sit back and enjoy the music. It is absolutely beautiful....A Masterpiece  You're welcome for the link pennylover  . But for me there is no way to enjoy an album that contains lyrics like the ones featured on TRC. Listening to such words coming out of the mouth of an artist who once had presented for me a "black white puerto-rican straight gay whatever no room for prejudice against any race, ethnicity, sex or sexual orientation " attitude just makes me so damn sad and angry  . Where are the days of "race in the space I mark human"? The days of spirituality instead of preaching his so-called "truth" and thus belittling other peoples faiths  . I am just so happy that I didn't see any concerts that had that family name "game" he played. I remember listening to it on CD and it still makes me shudder  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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I think it's a fantastic record.
I have only had it for 6 weeks, but only "Sign o' the Times" and "Come" have probably got me more enthusiastic. It's a players record. Lots of chops, with taste. What more can you want? Lyric controversy... sort of passed me by, to be honest. I'll have a closer listen. | |
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PurpleKnight said: pennylover said: Just sit back and enjoy the music. It is absolutely beautiful....A Masterpiece
A truly stupid comment. Not to say that TRC is definitely prejudiced towards any particular group, but people have every right to be concerned if they believe Prince might've been expressing anti-semitic views on the album. Just sit back and enjoy the music? So if Prince released a song describing your particular ethnicity in what you perceived as a negative light, would you really be saying the same thing? I think not. Thank you so much for your post PurpleKnight  . IMO everybody should be concerned about lyrics whether they come from Prince or any artist that might be offensive to any minority that is still suffering from prejudice people have. It is different if such viewpoints are expressed in a satiric way to make people think about how they see certain things like in the Borat movie, but that's definitely not the case on TRC. . I don't understand that somebody who has a bad feeling about such lyrics (note: I am just talking about people here who do have that feeling, not the ones who just think those lyrics are totally fine) can still enjoy the music, I just can't  . Especially considering the fact that English is not my first language which somehow would make it a lot more easy for me to try to not listen to them in detail as much as for the people coming from the USA/UK/Australia etc.With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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kisscamille said: Cloudbuster said: Horrible album.
It beats the hell out of MJ's last album 
Don't hate me CB. I couldn't resist. Funny that 'cos I remember you saying you hadn't even heard any of MJ's albums since Dangerous.  | |
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XxAxX said: Cloudbuster said: Horrible album.
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The Rainbow children, in my opinion, is both:"
- a step forward in the right direction, aiming for a more organic sound, Prince, probably in awe of John Blackwells drumming abilities, uses Blackwells drums as the inspiration for a more organic, jazzy sound, you can notice he hears opportunities deriving from that sound. - a step backwards lyric- and visionwise, I know Prince has lost his parents, his baby and his wife during this period, and its obvious that Larry Grahams support and JW-musings give Prince the feeling he can 'control' his pain with those teachings, but those teachings are at the same time so oldfashioned, dogmatic and silly, that when listening to the Rainbow Children i can only feel sorry for Prince using this kind of 'devices' to deal with lives problems. The anti-semitic expressions (yes they are there, but more out of stupidity then out of deepfelt, truthfull feelings) and the sexistic expressions (yes, they are too, and again fuelled by dogmatic dumbness), together with the detached, soulless execution of the songs are toecurling, irritating because i hear an artist fooling himselve. - Song / compositionwise, the record doesnt offer anything new really, there is nothing on the Rainbow Children that Prince hasnt tried before, in general there are some better compositions to find on this record then on New Power Soul and Rave, but the more organic sound might trick you into believing that Prince is threatening new ground here, which isnt the case. My conclusion: the attempt to try a more organic sound i admire, but its really frustating and toecurling to hear an artist so wrapped up inside his own mess, stating the JW-movement is 'all' when its obvious to any common one that he just needs a good shrink, or just needs a time-out. The aspect of an individual going so very wrong in his ways to deal with his problems, shines trough on the entire album, his procclamations about JW-faith sound detached and silly, it lays a dark shadow over the things he's trying to achieve musically, it might be an intruiging record when it comes to an individual going 'nuts' in a psychological way, but at the same time that makes it almost unbearable to listen to. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: The Rainbow children, in my opinion, is both:"
- a step forward in the right direction, aiming for a more organic sound, Prince, probably in awe of John Blackwells drumming abilities, uses Blackwells drums as the inspiration for a more organic, jazzy sound, you can notice he hears opportunities deriving from that sound. - a step backwards lyric- and visionwise, I know Prince has lost his parents, his baby and his wife during this period, and its obvious that Larry Grahams support and JW-musings give Prince the feeling he can 'control' his pain with those teachings, but those teachings are at the same time so oldfashioned, dogmatic and silly, that when listening to the Rainbow Children i can only feel sorry for Prince using this kind of 'devices' to deal with lives problems. The anti-semitic expressions (yes they are there, but more out of stupidity then out of deepfelt, truthfull feelings) and the sexistic expressions (yes, they are too, and again fuelled by dogmatic dumbness), together with the detached, soulless execution of the songs are toecurling, irritating because i hear an artist fooling himselve. - Song / compositionwise, the record doesnt offer anything new really, there is nothing on the Rainbow Children that Prince hasnt tried before, in general there are some better compositions to find on this record then on New Power Soul and Rave, but the more organic sound might trick you into believing that Prince is threatening new ground here, which isnt the case. My conclusion: the attempt to try a more organic sound i admire, but its really frustating and toecurling to hear an artist so wrapped up inside his own mess, stating the JW-movement is 'all' when its obvious to any common one that he just needs a good shrink, or just needs a time-out. The aspect of an individual going so very wrong in his ways to deal with his problems, shines trough on the entire album, his procclamations about JW-faith sound detached and silly, it lays a dark shadow over the things he's trying to achieve musically, it might be an intruiging record when it comes to an individual going 'nuts' in a psychological way, but at the same time that makes it almost unbearable to listen to.  | |
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Cloudbuster said: Riverpoet31 said: The Rainbow children, in my opinion, is both:"
- a step forward in the right direction, aiming for a more organic sound, Prince, probably in awe of John Blackwells drumming abilities, uses Blackwells drums as the inspiration for a more organic, jazzy sound, you can notice he hears opportunities deriving from that sound. - a step backwards lyric- and visionwise, I know Prince has lost his parents, his baby and his wife during this period, and its obvious that Larry Grahams support and JW-musings give Prince the feeling he can 'control' his pain with those teachings, but those teachings are at the same time so oldfashioned, dogmatic and silly, that when listening to the Rainbow Children i can only feel sorry for Prince using this kind of 'devices' to deal with lives problems. The anti-semitic expressions (yes they are there, but more out of stupidity then out of deepfelt, truthfull feelings) and the sexistic expressions (yes, they are too, and again fuelled by dogmatic dumbness), together with the detached, soulless execution of the songs are toecurling, irritating because i hear an artist fooling himselve. - Song / compositionwise, the record doesnt offer anything new really, there is nothing on the Rainbow Children that Prince hasnt tried before, in general there are some better compositions to find on this record then on New Power Soul and Rave, but the more organic sound might trick you into believing that Prince is threatening new ground here, which isnt the case. My conclusion: the attempt to try a more organic sound i admire, but its really frustating and toecurling to hear an artist so wrapped up inside his own mess, stating the JW-movement is 'all' when its obvious to any common one that he just needs a good shrink, or just needs a time-out. The aspect of an individual going so very wrong in his ways to deal with his problems, shines trough on the entire album, his procclamations about JW-faith sound detached and silly, it lays a dark shadow over the things he's trying to achieve musically, it might be an intruiging record when it comes to an individual going 'nuts' in a psychological way, but at the same time that makes it almost unbearable to listen to.      | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Cloudbuster said:  if you've gotta pay for things that you've done wrong I've gotta big bill coming at the end of the day- Gil Scott Heron
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Riverpoet31 said: The Rainbow children, in my opinion, is both:"
- a step forward in the right direction, aiming for a more organic sound, Prince, probably in awe of John Blackwells drumming abilities, uses Blackwells drums as the inspiration for a more organic, jazzy sound, you can notice he hears opportunities deriving from that sound. - a step backwards lyric- and visionwise, I know Prince has lost his parents, his baby and his wife during this period, and its obvious that Larry Grahams support and JW-musings give Prince the feeling he can 'control' his pain with those teachings, but those teachings are at the same time so oldfashioned, dogmatic and silly, that when listening to the Rainbow Children i can only feel sorry for Prince using this kind of 'devices' to deal with lives problems. The anti-semitic expressions (yes they are there, but more out of stupidity then out of deepfelt, truthfull feelings) and the sexistic expressions (yes, they are too, and again fuelled by dogmatic dumbness), together with the detached, soulless execution of the songs are toecurling, irritating because i hear an artist fooling himselve. - Song / compositionwise, the record doesnt offer anything new really, there is nothing on the Rainbow Children that Prince hasnt tried before, in general there are some better compositions to find on this record then on New Power Soul and Rave, but the more organic sound might trick you into believing that Prince is threatening new ground here, which isnt the case. My conclusion: the attempt to try a more organic sound i admire, but its really frustating and toecurling to hear an artist so wrapped up inside his own mess, stating the JW-movement is 'all' when its obvious to any common one that he just needs a good shrink, or just needs a time-out. The aspect of an individual going so very wrong in his ways to deal with his problems, shines trough on the entire album, his procclamations about JW-faith sound detached and silly, it lays a dark shadow over the things he's trying to achieve musically, it might be an intruiging record when it comes to an individual going 'nuts' in a psychological way, but at the same time that makes it almost unbearable to listen to. yes; i concur! Excellent observations which i agree with 100%. | |
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