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Printablei have a friend who's a professional musician and never really paid much attention to Prince -- one day he asked me to share something princely with him, and i gave him this album to listen to -- my friend became an instant Prince-fanatic and is now digging through all the various gems of his career
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ElCapitan said: Spinlight said: The TRC-heads seem to corral when something slightly bad about it is said. Like a pack of hyenas, almost. Name-calling aside, the issue has more to do with presuming to speak for "us" rather than criticizing TRC. I also said I don't like TRC. But I don't presume to speak for "most of us" whoever that "us" may be (the fans, the org, me and my cousin Earl, etc...). I wouldn't have thrown that claim out there about what "most of us" think, but you did. Whether or not you can back that up is your deal, but if you've got the cojones to make that claim, be prepared to deal with the questions. . [Edited 10/31/06 13:04pm] Well, if anyone really remembers what happened 5 years ago when TRC came out, then I suppose there wouldn't be people raising their eyebrows about being part of an "us" regarding the lyrics. I remember what happened, I was there. And simply because the emotion has died down over 5 years doesn't make it untrue. | |
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skywalker said: Spinlight said: Musically, the album is amazing. Very organic funk-jazz with great vocal performances from Prince.
However, the lyrics to the majority of the songs are fucking annoying and it ruins the experience for most people. Oh so you speak on behalf of "most people"? Funny, I don't remember voting on that. Nope, never voted either.... Love it! My favorite album musically, and don't have a problem with the lyrics.   "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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Spinlight said: Shorty said: you can not say that with any degree of certainty. all you can be certain about is YOU dislike the lyrics...and that's perfectly legit...you don't need others to validate your feelings. They are just as important on their own.  I don't understand why you are over-analyzing the situation. I'm not over-analyzing. "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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Spinlight said: ElCapitan said: Set yourself as some kinda spokesman around here and you're bound to get called on it. The TRC-heads seem to corral when something slightly bad about it is said. Like a pack of hyenas, almost. I'm not even that big of a TRC fan, I like it...but don't love it. Stop lumping people into groups....it weakens your argument. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Spinlight said: ElCapitan said: Name-calling aside, the issue has more to do with presuming to speak for "us" rather than criticizing TRC. I also said I don't like TRC. But I don't presume to speak for "most of us" whoever that "us" may be (the fans, the org, me and my cousin Earl, etc...). I wouldn't have thrown that claim out there about what "most of us" think, but you did. Whether or not you can back that up is your deal, but if you've got the cojones to make that claim, be prepared to deal with the questions. . [Edited 10/31/06 13:04pm] Well, if anyone really remembers what happened 5 years ago when TRC came out, then I suppose there wouldn't be people raising their eyebrows about being part of an "us" regarding the lyrics. I remember what happened, I was there. And simply because the emotion has died down over 5 years doesn't make it untrue. goodness....I was there too...whipty ding! You act like something happened, when it didn't. emotions were running high then...and ofcourse they've come down. well, for "most of us" they have.  "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: Spinlight said: The TRC-heads seem to corral when something slightly bad about it is said. Like a pack of hyenas, almost. I'm not even that big of a TRC fan, I like it...but don't love it. Stop lumping people into groups....it weakens your argument. I don't really have an argument. Some of ya'll are way too hasty to start sippin' your Haterade. | |
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Spinlight said: Shorty said: I'm not even that big of a TRC fan, I like it...but don't love it. Stop lumping people into groups....it weakens your argument. I don't really have an argument. Some of ya'll are way too hasty to start sippin' your Haterade. haterade? how am I hating on you? take it easy man. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: Spinlight said: Well, if anyone really remembers what happened 5 years ago when TRC came out, then I suppose there wouldn't be people raising their eyebrows about being part of an "us" regarding the lyrics. I remember what happened, I was there. And simply because the emotion has died down over 5 years doesn't make it untrue. goodness....I was there too...whipty ding! You act like something happened, when it didn't. emotions were running high then...and ofcourse they've come down. well, for "most of us" they have. Something as in there was a lot of bashing on the lyrics both here and on AMP. I mean, I don't get how people don't remember it. If you're not one of those people who dislike(d) the lyrics, that's perfectly A-OK. That might mean it doesn't apply to you, dig? So what. Big deal. It doesn't change the truth. | |
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bellanoche said: So after all the negative talk about the Rainbow Children, I generally avoided this album. I did a quick pass through it five years ago and that was it. After spending more time on the org and realizing that there is quite a divide between fans who dig Prince's soulful side and those who dig his rock side, as well as those who are open to his new music and those who are cemented in the past,I had to question some of the negative comments on the album. So I decided to listen to it with an open mind.
I played it all last weekend. My final thought is that this album is no way deserved the negative feeback that it garnered. It is actually a solid effort from an artist who is not afraid to take chances. I dig that P is still experimenting with sounds and concepts after all these years. There is some excellent instrumentation/composition on TRC. There are several wonderful songs that have probably only been trashed because they were on TRC. I particularly like: TRC Muse 2 the Pharoah Mellow The Sensual Everafter Everywhere 1+1+1 is 3 She Loves Me for Me Last December Digital Garden Family Name Maybe I was not mature enough to receive TRC five years ago. Maybe I was stuck in the quicksand mentality of "why doesn't he play like he used to" after reading comments about the album. Who knows. Now that I have removed myself from beneath the cloak of those who constantly seek the Prince of the 1980s, I am able to enjoy much of his output this decade. Prince has evolved/matured and so have I. All I can say is keep it coming P!!  Now don't get me wrong when I say this but, his 80's and 90's style is what trademarked him to be. So what is expressed positively on this site and in general about Prince is what we see most out of him. We have't seen much of his "spiritual soul" and some are stuck in the erotic, eccentric, out the ordinary that we understood as who Prince "is". Ppl just have not became accustomed to the fact that Prince is not Prince anymore. He is a NEW PRINCE. He has been reborn as a new spirit. A spirit that is mainly focused on one thing GOD. And to reflect how he feels about God he feels the desire to make music directed toward his saviour. And who wouldn't right?( Now there r exception to ppl who don't worship GOD or who don't worship anything supernatural) We as a society now can be persuaded to do things just becuase someone famous does it. Prince was sexually erotic in his younger days but when you get older and become more mature and wise you have to realize that SEX is not the most important thing MONEY is not the most important thing Materials/worldly possesions is not the most important thing. I'm not implying that any1 expresses this but if you do that is not what life is ALL about. And I think that is what Prince is trynna express to us especially younger ppl like me to not follow unholy ways that SATAN put forth on television. But for the most part it can also depend on who you grew up with as a child. If u grew up listenin to jazz and soul and funk only, then ur gonna wonder when is Prince gonna throw out a new funk album. Or if u grew up listen to classical, or orchestra, your gonna say Prince can you dish out some new jams like the ones on KAMaSUTRA. Or if u grew up in a household with alot of punk, rock, metal, alternative, ur gonna say Prince can u hurry up and serve me a hot record with something that sound like peach, or let's go crazy, or endorphinmachine. So it can depend on what ur parents liked. Luckily for me I grew up in all genres everyone in my family had a favorite genre and it was always diverse when we had thankgiving or christmas cuz everybodi would bring they own cd. me being the dj i play a couple a songs off some1 fav record and then i go 2 the next and do the same. hav u had ur + sign 2 day.
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Spinlight said: Shorty said: I'm not even that big of a TRC fan, I like it...but don't love it. Stop lumping people into groups....it weakens your argument. I don't really have an argument. Some of ya'll are way too hasty to start sippin' your Haterade. Most of us think you went too far in stating our opinion. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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thedoorkeeper said: bellanoche said: I particularly like:
TRC Muse 2 the Pharoah Mellow The Sensual Everafter Everywhere 1+1+1 is 3 She Loves Me for Me Last December Digital Garden Family Name Out of 14 tracks you like 10. Pretty high ratio. The tracks you didn't like so much were: deconstruction wedding feast In my opinion these two tracks are basically interludes - not exactly songs. Easy to understand why these didn't make the list. the work pt.1 the everlasting now What is it about these 2 songs that doesn't grab you like the others do? You know, I really don't know what it is. Something about The Work pt. 1 never grabbed me, but I love saying that "I'm willing to do the work."
The Everlasting Now loses me at certain points, then at others it amazes me. There is a Santana-esque portion that blows me away, but it seems out of place in that song. I just am not connecting with it. You're right though, when you look at it that way, there are only two songs that don't speak to me. As for the lyrics, again I don't understand the furor. I suspect that maybe the "truth" of some of the more political lyrics might be too much for some to handle, but that is always the case with the "truth." But that is only on a few songs. What's wrong with the lyrics on the majority of the album? It's what Prince has been singing about for decades - love, hope and peace in their many forms. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Spinlight said: Shorty said: goodness....I was there too...whipty ding! You act like something happened, when it didn't. emotions were running high then...and ofcourse they've come down. well, for "most of us" they have. Something as in there was a lot of bashing on the lyrics both here and on AMP. I mean, I don't get how people don't remember it. If you're not one of those people who dislike(d) the lyrics, that's perfectly A-OK. That might mean it doesn't apply to you, dig? So what. Big deal. It doesn't change the truth. ok, there was a lot of bashing. so what  like I said emotions were running high. Ugh...you don't get it. I'm not even argueing the fact that some folx don't like the lyrics....it's that you said "most of us" when in truth you don't know that to be a fact. lot's of us...perhaps, but "most" is just a generalization that you can not prove.
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ElCapitan said: Spinlight said: I don't really have an argument. Some of ya'll are way too hasty to start sippin' your Haterade. Most of us think you went too far in stating our opinion. If you don't agree, you're clearly not apart of the people who didn't like the lyrics. You know, the majority. And that's fine. Don't be mad that you're not in the club. | |
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ElCapitan said: Spinlight said: I don't really have an argument. Some of ya'll are way too hasty to start sippin' your Haterade. Most of us think you went too far in stating our opinion. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Spinlight said: ElCapitan said: Most of us think you went too far in stating our opinion. If you don't agree, you're clearly not apart of the people who didn't like the lyrics. You know, the majority. And that's fine. Don't be mad that you're not in the club. I'm not mad. Seems to be a pretty silent majority, though. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: Spinlight said: If you don't agree, you're clearly not apart of the people who didn't like the lyrics. You know, the majority. And that's fine. Don't be mad that you're not in the club. I'm not mad. Seems to be a pretty silent majority, though. Better to be quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? | |
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Purplerain7772001 said: Now don't get me wrong when I say this but, his 80's and 90's style is what trademarked him to be. So what is expressed positively on this site and in general about Prince is what we see most out of him. We have't seen much of his "spiritual soul" and some are stuck in the erotic, eccentric, out the ordinary that we understood as who Prince "is". Ppl just have not became accustomed to the fact that Prince is not Prince anymore. He is a NEW PRINCE. He has been reborn as a new spirit. A spirit that is mainly focused on one thing GOD. And to reflect how he feels about God he feels the desire to make music directed toward his saviour. And who wouldn't right?( Now there r exception to ppl who don't worship GOD or who don't worship anything supernatural) We as a society now can be persuaded to do things just becuase someone famous does it. Prince was sexually erotic in his younger days but when you get older and become more mature and wise you have to realize that SEX is not the most important thing MONEY is not the most important thing Materials/worldly possesions is not the most important thing. I'm not implying that any1 expresses this but if you do that is not what life is ALL about. And I think that is what Prince is trynna express to us especially younger ppl like me to not follow unholy ways that SATAN put forth on television.
But for the most part it can also depend on who you grew up with as a child. If u grew up listenin to jazz and soul and funk only, then ur gonna wonder when is Prince gonna throw out a new funk album. Or if u grew up listen to classical, or orchestra, your gonna say Prince can you dish out some new jams like the ones on KAMaSUTRA. Or if u grew up in a household with alot of punk, rock, metal, alternative, ur gonna say Prince can u hurry up and serve me a hot record with something that sound like peach, or let's go crazy, or endorphinmachine. So it can depend on what ur parents liked. Luckily for me I grew up in all genres everyone in my family had a favorite genre and it was always diverse when we had thankgiving or christmas cuz everybodi would bring they own cd. me being the dj i play a couple a songs off some1 fav record and then i go 2 the next and do the same. I completely respect your opinion. You make some good points. However, I have to disagree about Prince's spiritual soul and love of God side being new. I think it might be more dominant (slightly) in some of his lyrics, but that part has always existed. Most of his albums contain a song or lyrics that reflect his deep love of God and his spiritual journey. I think it has been evident throughout his career. However, because people like to dissect him into rock Prince, funk Prince, R&B Prince, erotic Prince, etc, they often overlook the spiritual side. I remember my hair stylist who is a born-again Christian being shocked when I mentioned Prince's spirituality. So I made her a CD full of Prince's spiritual songs including God, The Ladder, The Cross, Anna Stesia, I Wish U Heaven, Elephants and Flowers, And God Created Woman and Thunder. She was floored and told some other people about it. She said "you need your third eye when you listen to Prince." My job was done!![Edited 10/31/06 13:51pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Spinlight said: ElCapitan said: I'm not mad. Seems to be a pretty silent majority, though. Better to be quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? Sage advice. You might consider following it in the future. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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Spinlight said: ElCapitan said: I'm not mad. Seems to be a pretty silent majority, though. Better to be quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? ^^^One of those Pampered Chef black kettles^^^^^ "when Im in those arms of yours I'm so gone"-With U/Janet | |
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Spinlight said: Musically, the album is amazing. Very organic funk-jazz with great vocal performances from Prince.
However, the lyrics to the majority of the songs are fucking annoying and it ruins the experience for most people. Correct! I am not flying upon the wings of the New Translation. | |
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bellanoche said: Purplerain7772001 said: Now don't get me wrong when I say this but, his 80's and 90's style is what trademarked him to be. So what is expressed positively on this site and in general about Prince is what we see most out of him. We have't seen much of his "spiritual soul" and some are stuck in the erotic, eccentric, out the ordinary that we understood as who Prince "is". Ppl just have not became accustomed to the fact that Prince is not Prince anymore. He is a NEW PRINCE. He has been reborn as a new spirit. A spirit that is mainly focused on one thing GOD. And to reflect how he feels about God he feels the desire to make music directed toward his saviour. And who wouldn't right?( Now there r exception to ppl who don't worship GOD or who don't worship anything supernatural) We as a society now can be persuaded to do things just becuase someone famous does it. Prince was sexually erotic in his younger days but when you get older and become more mature and wise you have to realize that SEX is not the most important thing MONEY is not the most important thing Materials/worldly possesions is not the most important thing. I'm not implying that any1 expresses this but if you do that is not what life is ALL about. And I think that is what Prince is trynna express to us especially younger ppl like me to not follow unholy ways that SATAN put forth on television.
But for the most part it can also depend on who you grew up with as a child. If u grew up listenin to jazz and soul and funk only, then ur gonna wonder when is Prince gonna throw out a new funk album. Or if u grew up listen to classical, or orchestra, your gonna say Prince can you dish out some new jams like the ones on KAMaSUTRA. Or if u grew up in a household with alot of punk, rock, metal, alternative, ur gonna say Prince can u hurry up and serve me a hot record with something that sound like peach, or let's go crazy, or endorphinmachine. So it can depend on what ur parents liked. Luckily for me I grew up in all genres everyone in my family had a favorite genre and it was always diverse when we had thankgiving or christmas cuz everybodi would bring they own cd. me being the dj i play a couple a songs off some1 fav record and then i go 2 the next and do the same. I completely respect your opinion. You make some good points. However, I have to disagree about Prince's spiritual soul and love of God side being new. I think it might be more dominant (slightly) in some of his lyrics, but that part has always existed. Most of his albums contain a song or lyrics that reflect his deep love of God and his spiritual journey. I think it has been evident throughout his career. However, because people like to dissect him into rock Prince, funk Prince, R&B Prince, erotic Prince, etc, they often overlook the spiritual side. I remember my hair stylist who is a born-again Christian being shocked when I mentioned Prince's spirituality. So I made her a CD full of Prince's spiritual songs including God, The Ladder, The Cross, Anna Stesia, I Wish U Heaven, Elephants and Flowers, And God Created Woman and Thunder. She was floored and told some other people about it. She said "you need your third eye when you listen to Prince." My job was done!!
[Edited 10/31/06 13:51pm] Yeah! that is what I meant. His spiritual side takes over. Now y can ppl enjoy the spiritual side hidden under eccentricity, and when spiritual is dominant ppl think it's horrible and never listen 2 the album again.  I still don't get that!  hav u had ur + sign 2 day.
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TRC is a solid album
i completely despise religion, especially ermmm... 4get that but all religion and spirituality aside, the cd wwas solid, It has Prince's best writing in years since The Gold Experience its full of creativity, funk, even the degues like Digital Garden, were pretty nice and compliment the whole nuance of the CD... God did one good thing, hee inspired prince enough to deliver fairly solid album My song is Muse 2 the Pharoah, its just so cot dammmmmn SMOOOOOTH you gotta love those Rhode melodies the only thing that i did not like about the CD is it didnt showcase enough of prince on the guitar only song really is The Sensual Everafter... but on some of the songs P could've rocked it like on One Night Alone...LIVE, hellfire solo on MUSE2... but other than that it was great I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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ElCapitan said: Spinlight said: Better to be quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? Sage advice. You might consider following it in the future. Your Internet Cool Quotient is just skyhigh right now, iddnit? | |
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Great album-masterpiece! | |
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It is very good that you have discovered TRC. It is an excelent album. | |
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So glad to here that you are free. Never let another influence you, think for yourself. Even if you make a mistake, at least it will be your own.
I loved TRC the very first time I listened...I never equated it to his alleged transformation to JW, could care less if he did, the album is bumpin! Funkjazzyslowjammie. Inside of Me, I am Free, Free to be Me. | |
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It has some good tunes on it "Digital Garden" and "1=1=1=3" and the "Work" are my favorites...but I can't say I listen to this album this frequently. But I can really see how people have come to worship this album...expecially if one is an eclectic music lover with sophisiticated tastes. | |
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iconsweat said: The lyrics thing gets to me. On other websites I've read people talk about the lyrics being a bother at times conmerning TRC. What? Nobody had problems with him singing about fucking his sister, receiving head splloging on a dress or about a whore masturbating in a lobby?
What twisted folks "us" are
. [Edited 10/31/06 13:07pm] All what you mentioned are NOWHERE near on a par with his racist, sexist dogma on TRC! | |
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mikek1 said: iconsweat said: The lyrics thing gets to me. On other websites I've read people talk about the lyrics being a bother at times conmerning TRC. What? Nobody had problems with him singing about fucking his sister, receiving head splloging on a dress or about a whore masturbating in a lobby?
What twisted folks "us" are
. [Edited 10/31/06 13:07pm] All what you mentioned are NOWHERE near on a par with his racist, sexist dogma on TRC! sexist... ok Elitist ok... Racist??? against whom? I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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