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Reply #30 posted 10/13/06 7:08am

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SoulAlive said:



Am I the only one who thinks that "The Future" would have been a strong single?


There is a 12 inch of The Future backed by Electric Chair (I think it was released in Germany but I am not certain).

you're right.
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Reply #31 posted 10/13/06 8:28am

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SoulAlive said:

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ok, that's 1..


This is an interesting discussion. I just take it for what it is, Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

The easiest thing in the world is to critcise with the benefit of hindsight. Since Prince obviously didn't have the benefit of hindsight and still managed to have a somewhat successful career, it just seems a bit much to suggest that he was a failure at picking singles, imho.


True,but keep in mind that,flop singles can slow an album's momentum and it's clear that many of his albums would have done better if different singles were released.Case in point: the 'SOTT' album began tumbling down the charts when "IIWYGF" was released as a single.To no one's surprise,the album began climbing back up the charts when the catchy "U Got The Look" was released as the third single.It's not inconceivable that Prince ruined the sales potential of many of his albums,simply by choosing the wrong singles.And even though many people blame 'Lovesexy's failure on the nude album cover,I still insist that it failed because of lackluster singles."Glam Slam" is a cool album track that fits the theme of the album,but it not single material.As a pop single,it is a snoozefest.But what would have happened if he had released the fast,knock-em-dead title track as the second single?


I don't deny that there's some truth to the idea that in hindsight he could have made some better choices regarding singles. I just think that in hindsight, everyone is the next Clive Davis and noone admits to being the record executives who thought WDC was a bad idea for a single.

In theory we could all make better choices than he did. In reality that's questionable, imho.

And the Lovesexy title track wasn't radio friendly at all, imho. It's fun, but it's also long, meandering, and average as Prince dance songs go. At that point R&B radio wasn't too far gone to pick up on a non-single Prince track and play it anyway and they had zero interest in Lovesexy.

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Reply #32 posted 10/13/06 8:37am

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I also wonder if he decides on the final radio edit.The radio edit of Beautiful Loved and Blessed was terrible but i love the album version smile
theres been a few like that i find.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Reply #33 posted 10/13/06 11:09am

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I think 3121 would have done much better if "Fury" was the lead single, followed by "Black Sweat" and "Incense and Candles" (I think "Incense and Candles" was the most pop-sounding song on the album)
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Reply #34 posted 10/13/06 1:55pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

metalorange said:



There is a 12 inch of The Future backed by Electric Chair (I think it was released in Germany but I am not certain).

you're right.


William Orbit/Mark Moore (from S' Express) remixes.

The Shiiit!

And still brilliant BTW.
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Reply #35 posted 10/13/06 3:30pm

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My only complaints for lead singles have been Betcha By Golly Wow and Te Amo Corazon.

I thought The Greatest Romance was a good choice for Rave, but if the previous album had lead off with a rocker, this would've been a change. But it was just more of the same.

The next CD should most definitely lead off with a hard rocker.
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Reply #36 posted 10/13/06 11:12pm

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ElCapitan said:



This is an interesting discussion. I just take it for what it is, Monday Morning Quarterbacking.




but at least this is a better discussion then the usual fare in this forum...

i agree with the complaints about all the slow song leads since Beautiful Girl...

however, i never really noticed a "bad lead"/single trend until Emancipation and Betchy By Golly Wow..

damn was that horrible... fishslap


and i will go to my grave swearing that Sleep Around would have put Prince back on top if it were released...that song is screaming "hit"...

and screw what mental games prince is playing with his choices of singles...releasing singles is commerce/marketing...if it wasnt he could have just released the albums and allowed those who have an interest to enjoy.
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Reply #37 posted 10/14/06 5:05am

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sosgemini said:

and i will go to my grave swearing that Sleep Around would have put Prince back on top if it were released...that song is screaming "hit"...


Top tune. nod
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Reply #38 posted 10/14/06 5:25am

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Instead of the greatest romance as the first single, it should have been so far so pleased


Slow song that should of been released off of musicology is reflection and not call my name.
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Reply #39 posted 10/14/06 6:59am

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kpowers said:

Instead of the greatest romance as the first single, it should have been so far so pleased


Slow song that should of been released off of musicology is reflection and not call my name.


confuse

didnt Call My Name win him a Grammy?
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Reply #40 posted 10/14/06 7:04am

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Helps to have a good album first.

Why wasn't Lolita a single? Makes no sense.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #41 posted 10/14/06 7:07am

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Helps to have a good album first.

Why wasn't Lolita a single? Makes no sense.


I love that song
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Reply #42 posted 10/14/06 10:05am

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It seems that most of you are completely missing what set this guy name Prince so far apart from all others that came before.....

The fact that he would release the singles that he wanted to in spite of its commercial validity is exactly what makes him so very valuable. The music industry as whole seeks out people with unique talent and the puts them into a machine that robs them of developing themselves and the minds/souls of those who hear them. With each weird single Prince released he was impacting those few fortunate individuals who were enlightened by the untraditional and non conformity of the use of his gifts. He might not have made it to the top of a chart but the people and musicians/artist that were inspired to stretch by those quirky songs have since made remarkable contributions to music as a whole. In about 50 more years we who are alive at the time will find out who those people are.



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Reply #43 posted 10/14/06 10:23am

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1234rave said:

It seems that most of you are completely missing what set this guy name Prince so far apart from all others that came before.....

The fact that he would release the singles that he wanted to in spite of its commercial validity is exactly what makes him so very valuable.


urban myth.

lol
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Reply #44 posted 10/14/06 11:06am

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Prince's fails at picking a lot of things, as far as I'm concerned but hey he's human, nobody's perfect. We still love him.
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Reply #45 posted 10/14/06 11:16am

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while I think that different singles could have done better, I doubt ANY of them would have purported his career in any way. People were thrown off by his wierdness.

I do think that things MAY have been slightly different if certain albums had come out instead of the ones that did. But I still think he'd be where he is today regardless. The only thing that would have put him in a different place is if he had not had his differences with the WB and made such a public stink about them.

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Reply #46 posted 10/14/06 12:44pm

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muirdo said:

kpowers said:

Instead of the greatest romance as the first single, it should have been so far so pleased


Slow song that should of been released off of musicology is reflection and not call my name.


confuse

didnt Call My Name win him a Grammy?




But did Call my name exploded on the music charts??? Not really. Hey if reflection would of been release it would have gotten the grammy
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Reply #47 posted 10/14/06 6:34pm

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kpowers said:

muirdo said:



confuse

didnt Call My Name win him a Grammy?




But did Call my name exploded on the music charts??? Not really. Hey if reflection would of been release it would have gotten the grammy


I disagree. I didn't really like "Reflection" and I thought "Call My Name" was fantastic...gorgeous vocals.
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Reply #48 posted 10/14/06 11:46pm

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I love the org.....so many opinions, way cool.





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Reply #49 posted 10/15/06 4:21am

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shockadelicaa said:

kpowers said:





But did Call my name exploded on the music charts??? Not really. Hey if reflection would of been release it would have gotten the grammy


I disagree. I didn't really like "Reflection" and I thought "Call My Name" was fantastic...gorgeous vocals.




agree to disagree
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Reply #50 posted 10/15/06 7:59am

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Se7en said:

My only complaints for lead singles have been Betcha By Golly Wow and Te Amo Corazon.

I thought The Greatest Romance was a good choice for Rave, but if the previous album had lead off with a rocker, this would've been a change. But it was just more of the same.


The next CD should most definitely lead off with a hard rocker.


Yup. All three of these were his worst single choices EVER.
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Reply #51 posted 10/15/06 8:00am

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kpowers said:

muirdo said:



confuse

didnt Call My Name win him a Grammy?




But did Call my name exploded on the music charts??? Not really. Hey if reflection would of been release it would have gotten the grammy


Call My Name was definitely a big R&B hit, stuck around on the charts for a very long time.
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Reply #52 posted 10/15/06 4:54pm

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That is prince's biggest flaw
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Reply #53 posted 10/16/06 12:49am

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Cloudbuster said:



Actually, Mountains was the follow up to Kiss. Girls & Boys was the third UK single from Parade.


I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Kiss was first, Girls & Boys was second, Anotherloverholenyohead was the third singl reaching 36. Mountains was available as a single in some parts of Europe but only as an import in the UK and it did not chart. Check out http://www.everyhit.com and type in 'Prince' in the first box next to 'Contains the word', it shows all his UK top 40 hits.



- take it from someone who was around, buying the records (saw the fabled 10'' white dics of Mountains and passed it by for the 12'' and regreted it ever since) that the order of single releases in the Uk from Parade were: Kiss (6), Mountains, Girls & Boys (11), Anotherloverholeinyourhead - so sorry you are not quite right.

Mountains flopped and thus only charted at the lower reachs of the chart i.e not top 40 but if you doubt my word it is detailed Guinness book that tracks UK hit singles and release dates
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Reply #54 posted 10/16/06 12:51am

Hotstuff

i loved 3121 the song, but he didn't release it. i think he chooses songs that he can make a hella funky video along to.
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Reply #55 posted 10/16/06 3:03am

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the Lovesexy title track wasn't radio friendly at all, imho. It's fun, but it's also long, meandering, and average as Prince dance songs go. At that point R&B radio wasn't too far gone to pick up on a non-single Prince track and play it anyway and they had zero interest in Lovesexy.


I think "Lovesexy" (the song) is the most obvious "hit" on the album.Most of the other songs on the album are not commercial or radio-friendly at all."Lovesexy" is fast and funky with an incredible bassline.I see no reason why it couldn't have been a big hit in the summer of 1988.Of course,they would have had to release a single edit.The dirty talk with Cat would have been edited out,as it's unlikely that a radio station would play a song with lines like "You got me drippin all over the floor",lol.

btw,did you know that Prince was actually planning to release this song as a single? Remixes were made,too.But he changed his mind at the last minute mad
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Reply #56 posted 10/16/06 3:07am

SoulAlive

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sosgemini said:

and i will go to my grave swearing that Sleep Around would have put Prince back on top if it were released...that song is screaming "hit"...


Top tune. nod


I agree,"Sleep Around" should have been the first single from 'Emancipation'.Instead he chooses a Stylistics remake?? confuse
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Reply #57 posted 10/16/06 3:11am

SoulAlive

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I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Kiss was first, Girls & Boys was second, Anotherloverholenyohead was the third singl reaching 36. Mountains was available as a single in some parts of Europe but only as an import in the UK and it did not chart. Check out http://www.everyhit.com and type in 'Prince' in the first box next to 'Contains the word', it shows all his UK top 40 hits.



- take it from someone who was around, buying the records (saw the fabled 10'' white dics of Mountains and passed it by for the 12'' and regreted it ever since) that the order of single releases in the Uk from Parade were: Kiss (6), Mountains, Girls & Boys (11), Anotherloverholeinyourhead - so sorry you are not quite right.

Mountains flopped and thus only charted at the lower reachs of the chart i.e not top 40 but if you doubt my word it is detailed Guinness book that tracks UK hit singles and release dates
cheers
Matt


Imo,these should have been the three singles from Parade:

"Kiss"
"Girls and Boys"
"Anotherloverholenyohead"


I didn't see the point in releasing "Mountains".I like it,but it doesn't sound like a "single" to me.
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Reply #58 posted 10/16/06 3:41am

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mattosgood said:

metalorange said:



I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Kiss was first, Girls & Boys was second, Anotherloverholenyohead was the third singl reaching 36. Mountains was available as a single in some parts of Europe but only as an import in the UK and it did not chart. Check out http://www.everyhit.com and type in 'Prince' in the first box next to 'Contains the word', it shows all his UK top 40 hits.



- take it from someone who was around, buying the records (saw the fabled 10'' white dics of Mountains and passed it by for the 12'' and regreted it ever since) that the order of single releases in the Uk from Parade were: Kiss (6), Mountains, Girls & Boys (11), Anotherloverholeinyourhead - so sorry you are not quite right.

Mountains flopped and thus only charted at the lower reachs of the chart i.e not top 40 but if you doubt my word it is detailed Guinness book that tracks UK hit singles and release dates
cheers
Matt


Yep, no, fair enough, I got it wrong. Since it didn't get into the Top 40 I'd never seen it mentioned as a single in single lists. I do find it bizarre that it couldn't reach the top 40, you would have thought it would have been carried along by the success of Kiss at the very least - I mean it's a great song in it's own right, so what went wrong with the marketing? Probably the film came out and was regarded as so bad it derailed the album momentarily! I mean, Mountains maybe the only single that didn't chart for Prince from mid-80s upto the mid-90s, for the quality of the song that seems bizarre.
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Reply #59 posted 10/16/06 3:43am

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SOTT was a good choice,it was a hit but it should have been followed by U got the look and Strange Relationship(non P-fans liked the song whenever I played it 4 them).
The Future reached the top 10(nr 7,I think) in The Netherlands and was in the charts in Belgium,the remix got a lot of airplay.
Wasn't this one released in the US?

The Question of U should have been a single IMO,radiostations already played it but maybe an edit would have been better.
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